Yeah the CTS-V on paper looks super good, I seen one at the track here and it did live up to its name so the one that you saw loose to the Subaru probably just didint know how to drive.

In any case I will not trade my Z for a Cadillac anytime soon

Get a 335 good balance between comfort, performance and looks the coupe looks sexy. If you want to go balls out on performance mod get the n54 335i as they have more potential than the n55 single turbo, this is not officially confirmed but one of the guys in e90post opened up the n54 and it had forge internals. 135 is nice but too small.

C63 looks like something a government retiree would drive at age 65, no thanks, he can keep his power. I may be a bit biased, but all this talk of BMW is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, granted, yes, I live in Germany and 335's, 135's, M3's are a dime a dozen, literally. My girlfriend is a kindergarten school teacher and drives a fully loaded 335i, my god what boring looking cars. BTW, I literally passed 3 R8's on the way in to work today, a few S8's as well. I'll try to break out the iphone cam on my drive home today and show you guys what I mean.

The EVO, dollar for dollar is one of the quickest (Road and Track June 0-60 4.3 seconds and 13 flat in quarter) and best handling (October Car and Driver 1st place in Handling for under $40,000) cars you can buy. It is also roomy enough for 4-5 and has AWD for the nasty weather (most RWD cars dont go well in snow). Also if you get bored with the stock speed, the EVO is one of the easiest cars to mod.
I have owned Audi, BMW, Saab, Mazda, Toyota and many VWs, Fords and lesser makes.
I highly recommend a test drive. While the EVO is not perfect, it is the answer to most needs. I never even considered Mitsubishi until this year...just never gave them a thought. When I drove it I was sold. I never knew what I was missing. Best wishes no matter what you get.

Are you looking to trade your car in and get something close to the price of the trade?

Thanks for all the info guys....I currently own my Z outright so I may try to sell privately before getting raped on a trade...I've narrowed it down to the EVO ...STi and possibly a 335. Gonna start going for test test drives...ill keep u guys posted

Just my opinion, but the EVO would be the winner for me. That is, unless you want luxury interior then the 335.

I think 335i with red leather seats is so cool!!!

Given the choice between those two I'd take the 335 as a DD any day. If you want more of a track oriented car the Evo for sure.

Correcting what I said below, It seems 335's built before Dec 2009 is for sure to have forged internals, anything after that no one knows. Also early cars have bolted diffs, which make a LSD swap much easier.

If you want to track the car i would get the evo over the sti and 335. STI's dont respond well to mods compare to the evo, you would also need to upgrade the block sooner than the evo x. The 335 is expensive once you break something. The 4b11t is good for at least 400 wtq, has good aftermarket support.

BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - View Single Post - The N54 engine pistons are cast (and not forged).

get a Evo X :P

try G37s sports spec sedan you wont be disappointed, this is what I am going to do.

lol same here 375$ 421/401 :yum:

I hear the sedan gets better numbers than the coupe. Go figure. I love the coupe bodystyle though, but the sedan is a formidable option.

Umm, what kind/level of luxury are we talking about?

just wanted to throw this out there, the BMW thumpers at least, can they make power? yep. Cheap? hell no. I was talking to a coworker yesterday (335 owner) who said that an exhaust/tune from Vishnu is $3000, and that barely gets you over 400whp, of course I didnt believe him, then I came across this. Jesus Christ.

Vishnu Performance Systems

it seems that bang/buck, best is either a strong V8 with gobs of power to start with or a turbo 4-banger (which will still cost a shit ton to make 400whp/tq).

For around $3-4K an SRT-4 neon makes enough power to run 11's. Don't think it has a ton of tq, though.

Yeah, but look at the product you are getting. It doesn't hiss, or rasp, or drone, and I am betting that it installs like it was OEM. I've seen enough whining about all of the above on this and other forums and done enough myself when I had a mustang to understand that performance AND quality DOES tend to cost.

for less than $1000, we do 11's :tup:

please for the love of god dont make me hunt down the threads over on svt...

annnnd, for 1k more than the cost of that tuner/exhaust, I can buy a procharger tuner kit and make 550whp+, seems like a waste of money to me.

well that's great that you chose to mention the absolutely least productive and most expensive mod for a 335 in terms of power. The car comes with a 2.5" cat back. Most of these expensive exhaust systems just sound different, while providing relatively minimal gains.

The biggest gains come from a front mount intercooler and a tune, then downpipes. Power is cheap on the 335 to a certain point. Getting to the 375-400whp mark can be done for under 3k. Getting above that is quite expensive and requires bigger turbos.

car comes with 302hp/295tq at the crank (about 256whp/250wtq). With a FMIC and a tune (about 1500 bucks) you are at about 340-350 whp with similar torque. So thats about a 100hp gain for 1500 bucks? Wow that's expensive power :rolleyes:

Saying that you can't make power inexpensively on a 335 based on the price of an exhaust and tune is like saying that the mustang doesn't make power inexpensively if you decided to buy a wing and a body kit and wondered why the car didn't go any faster after you spent 3-4k on body work, when obviously the simplest power on the 5.0 is intake/tune and you are over 400whp. An exhaust on a 335 has very minimal performance gains, its really more for sound and look. So i wouldn't base your judgements on how the 335 is as far as 'bang for the buck' performance gains based on one co worker who simply bought the wrong mods if he was expecting performance gains.

That being said, however, the 5.0 seems to be one of the best bang-for the buck cars as far as power mods are concerned.

But at the same time we aren't driving BMWs.

335 might not be as fast out of the box, and might not be as mod friendly as a 5.0, but a 5.0 isn't nearly as luxurious as a 335 either. It's a totally different car.

In a 4-cylinder? I was talking about a 4 cylinder...

As to comparing a mustang to a BMW, I might as well compare a 'vette to a mustang. Totally different vehicle.

Given your choices, I'd go with a 335i with the M package. All you need is a chip and you're good to go.

I am starting to think about trading the Z in for an ISF...

the ISF is over priced, over hyped, and has too many gears. i can name like 20 performance cars that are better and less expensive.

I like it, but want to hear your cars with four doors. A n d..... go:

m3 sedan, 335 sedan, audi s4, s6, cadillac cts-v

^^this.

i love the look of the isf but will be the first too agree that it is dramatically overpriced for the mediocre performance. not to mention an 8 speed... really... waaay too much shifting

dont forget m5's, anything merc with an amg badge, etc....

Had a feeling you may say those. I am not too hot on German cars. I like them, but do not want to own one. I like Japanese cars MUCH better. CTS-V... hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I may consider that since I have a hook up at GM....

So far though, ISF is still in first place.

Similar performance to a mustang 5.0 and double the price... whatever floats your boat :rolleyes:

The caddy is a beast though, much more comfy/practical

i was talking abot the IS-F. 60k for similar hp and probably worse handling.

my 335 ran a 13.1 stock and after spending $1000 on jb4, intake, downpipes.. I ran a 12.2.... then put on some drag radials and I ran a 11.9:ughdance:

something some people wont never understand is the way the 335 drives, steering..handling.. comfort.. luxury, transmission..ect.. Im working on a deal to trade mine for a 2011 335is with DCT

if im looking for a 4door i would seriously consider the 335i sedan and G37 sedan in 6MT. :)

4 Door is what I am looking for....

Besides, I would not get rid of my Z for a Stang...

I understand the 335i; it is just not my cup of team. I want NA not FI; I am just not a Euro fan to the point where I would buy one.

G37 sedan looks too boring.