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JrumMusic 07-01-2011 09:37 PM

Should I upgrade to a nismo?
 
Ive only my Z for about 3 months, and am wondering what your suggestions would be if i were to trade in my Z for the nismo, i mean itd only 30HP more and a body kit...is it worth the $10,000+. I used the search bar, and id rather get some regular Z and nismo Z owners opinions on reliability and power difference.

m4a1mustang 07-01-2011 09:38 PM

Hell no.

JrumMusic 07-01-2011 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1200503)
Hell no.

short and sweet. lol but why in your opinion. ?

m4a1mustang 07-01-2011 09:41 PM

It's a waste of money for a minimal change. You'd be eating a large amount of depreciation for essentially a body kit.

nogoodname 07-01-2011 09:43 PM

If you are willing to spend the extra 10k and loose money of ur current Z... I suggest you keep the car you already bought and install a turbo kit. I'm sure you'll be excite...yup!

JrumMusic 07-01-2011 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nogoodname (Post 1200514)
If you are willing to spend the exra 10k and loose money of ur current Z... I suggest you keep the car you already bought and install a turbo kit. I'm sure you'll be excite...yup!

Good point, but i dont wanna void my warranty. SMH.

m4a1mustang 07-01-2011 09:45 PM

I'd just save your money, bro. :tup:

nogoodname 07-01-2011 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrumMusic (Post 1200516)
Good point, but i dont wanna void my warranty. SMH.

Then I suggest you buy bolt-on mods, a nice lip kit, rims and coil overs... you will have more hp than a nismo and better handling too.

JrumMusic 07-01-2011 09:49 PM

Theirs an add on EBAY but its $12.5k FOR A GREDDY TWIN TURBO installed in TAMPA, im in FLA. but will a TT on a automatic work? And its voiding my warranty.

JrumMusic 07-01-2011 09:51 PM

wow theres* Ad* smh

samb03 07-01-2011 09:54 PM

the 370 nismo isn't essentially a differnet car like the 350 nismo. that car was stitch welded had a upgraded motor. Most of the hp difference is the exhaust and possibly a different tune on the ecu for the 370. I do believe it has a different strut tower brace. But you can do a lot and keep the warrentee in tact with the 10K you would spend on a Nismo, or get slower car while paying on the depressation from the old car.

nogoodname 07-01-2011 09:54 PM

for sure it will void the warranty of the engine! and never buy such parts from ebay lol.



you can install TT with auto but becareful..you may blow the transmission.....I'd wait until someone develops a valvebody upgrade for the trans..no one has yet though.

happytheman 07-01-2011 10:01 PM

Some have said the AT will carry 450 WHP but I dont believe that's been put to the test.

Yup, as said before..I wouldn't spend the extra $ on a Nismo.. Just go with bolt on mods and you'll have the same power AND have a unique ride without voiding your warranty. Hell, you're already partway there with that nice ARK exhaust you purchased. :tup:

Z1804 07-01-2011 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrumMusic (Post 1200524)
Theirs an add on EBAY but its $12.5k FOR A GREDDY TWIN TURBO installed in TAMPA, im in FLA. but will a TT on a automatic work? And its voiding my warranty.

Z1 did a GTM TT on an automatic. It was a beast. Like everyone said, use the extra money on some mods or save it. There are a few differences between our car and the nismo but not worth 10K.

Cmike2780 07-01-2011 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1200503)
Hell no.

:iagree:

If can handle a $10k lost, you can handle $10k worth of mods.... thems a lot of top notch performance mods if you choose wisely.

not to mention you get to keep the nicer interior.

UNKNOWN_370 07-01-2011 10:33 PM

Its only 18hp not 30hp. And the nismo body kit is mass produced at the factory, so you might as well find a body kit that will have a more individualistic appeal. Or you can look into GTM turbos.the GTM torque converter is a step toward the 7at handling FI. You can also look into the stillen valve body upgrade,oil and transmission cooler as part of your pre-turbo prep package.

I SAY MOD! :)

FL 4Motion 07-01-2011 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrumMusic (Post 1200501)
Ive only my Z for about 3 months, and am wondering what your suggestions would be if i were to trade in my Z for the nismo, i mean itd only 30HP more and a body kit...is it worth the $10,000+. I used the search bar, and id rather get some regular Z and nismo Z owners opinions on reliability and power difference.

In a word, no. That is a financially stupid move. That said, if $$ isn't an issue, then you really need to test drive a Nismo model and see if it floats your boat better than your current Z. (btw, WHY the hello didn't you do that in the first place and save yourself this issue???)

The 370 nismo isn't seam welded like the 350 nismo b/c it doesn't need to be, the 370 is already vastly stiffer chassis over the 350.

the 370 nismo bodykit is functional windtunnel tested aero, hard to duplicate that with aftermarket without spending $$$. If tracking the car isn't an issue for you though, then I assume you just like the way it looks.

The wheels are forged lightweight rays that are wider and lighter than the standard sport package rays. To get aftermarket volks of the same quality, you'll be spending $$

It's only 18hp thru a tune and and exhaust, so powerwise, not much difference.

The nismo suspension is stiffer and more "track ready" than the sport package but it also rides much rougher, something to think about.

All in all, I wouldn't do it simply for the financial loss, however, I get wanting something so bad sometimes you don't care about the $$. In that case, get what you want but use this as a lesson to think thru your purchases thoughorly so you don't wind up buying twice.

shadoquad 07-01-2011 10:56 PM

It depends. Do you want to continue flying with the sparrows, or soar with the eagles?

FL 4Motion 07-01-2011 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1200618)
It depends. Do you want to continue flying with the sparrows, or soar with the eagles?

:bowrofl:

I totally forgot about that little gem. Silly sparrows, always pestering us eagles.:shakes head:

Cell 07-01-2011 11:30 PM

I sure as hell didn't pay 10k more over a base/sport... who ever pay's 10k has too much money to waste. FOr some reason every non-nismo owner believes it is 10k more...

As for the topic, get what you want. There are also many other threads about nismo vs base/touring. You can search and find all the debates about it and see what fits you.

JrumMusic 07-02-2011 12:28 AM

Thanks for all the valuable info guys. =] Will continue to my research, and money deff is a issue.

JrumMusic 07-02-2011 12:29 AM

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McFrostyJ 07-02-2011 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cell (Post 1200657)
I sure as hell didn't pay 10k more over a base/sport... who ever pay's 10k has too much money to waste. FOr some reason every non-nismo owner believes it is 10k more...

I think maybe he is talking about the money he will lose after driving his Z off the lot and then turning around and trading it in for the NISMO. That plus the cost difference could equal the $10,000.

JrumMusic 07-02-2011 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcfrostyj (Post 1200731)
i think maybe he is talking about the money he will lose after driving his z off the lot and then turning around and trading it in for the nismo. That plus the cost difference could equal the $10,000.

correct ^^^

chuckd05 07-02-2011 12:48 AM

why didn't you just get the nismo to start with dude? If you only had it 3 months that decision would nice be a wise one financially

JrumMusic 07-02-2011 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd05 (Post 1200734)
why didn't you just get the nismo to start with dude? If you only had it 3 months that decision would nice be a wise one financially

I would rather not get into how much money ive lost this year in trading in cars, im content with the vehicle, i guess i just want to personalize it and make it faster, buddy has a evo x and i get spanked every time off the line and even from a 40 mph roll on a private land. *so no street racing crap*

RoshDawg 07-02-2011 03:10 AM

You could get a sequential dog style gear box for that money..

LunaZ 07-02-2011 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrumMusic (Post 1200747)
...i guess i just want to personalize it and make it faster

There's the answer to your question.
If you trade for a Nismo, you won't have anything that's different from anyone else's Nismo until you start personalizing it and making it faster. From the looks of your mods list, it seems like you're well on your way to your goals already, so it would be silly to change cars unless you "have to have" a Nismo.

280z/300zx 07-02-2011 07:26 PM

I've owned both. Used to have an 09 touring/sport 6-speed. It was unfortunately totaled last year and I replaced it with a Nismo as a last resort. I couldn't find the right color/option combo and settled for a Nismo. Honestly in your situation it's not worth the loss of money. I'll break it down for you as best I can.

Power: There is a noticeable difference in power between the two but nothing drastic. I would describe the difference as taking a regular Z and adding exhaust to it. You feel the hp increase but it's nothing that's going to make you say "holy crap." It's not for example like he difference between a WRX and STI or Vette and Z06, etc. Still between my sport/touring with FI exhaust vs. my Nismo with FI exhaust, my Nismo is noticeably faster.

Suspension: On the street you won't really appreciate the difference between the two cars. In fact the only thing you will appreciate is how much stiffer and rougher the ride is in the Nismo. Honestly, I prefer the sport Z over the Nismo in this area. Yes on the track the subtle differences are apparent but for me I'm only at the track a few times a year; the rest is spent driving to work every day.

Body kit: this has already been mentioned. Pretty much you will not match the fit and finish as well as functionality of the NIMSO compared to aftermarket. In order to get an equivalent kit and also have it nicely painted and installed you will spend big money. Also, this is very subjective as some hate the "fast and furious" look while others like it. I find myself torn between liking both. Some days I like my Nismo kit and some days I wish I didn't have it. Then again I think it's more that I miss my old color (yellow) as it really popped.

Cost: As already mentioned the price between nismo and standard is not 10k. I got my Nismo for 35k which was pretty much the same price as the touring/sport I was looking at. In your case you'll take a hit as you just bought your car so again probably not the best financial choice

Racing: you mention your friends EVO; forget about it. I've ran both modified and stock EVO X's at the track. In stock form you can best the EVO as long as you can get off the line. Typically they will pull 1/2 to 1 car length due to the AWD advantage but as long as you can get the Z off the line you should be able to pull out a win, although not by much. Modified, forget it. Typically even with basic bolts once they get off the line you won't be able to catch up. The AWD just gives them a big advantage off the line. From a roll the EVO can not match the Z stock. I'm not saying you'll blow it's doors off but you should be able to walk away from one. Modified it depends. The two I raced only had basic mods but I never did find out their exact set up. Both managed to hang with my Nismo with FI exhaust up to about 100mph at which point I started walking away, slowly. That being said the EVO doesn't need much to be able to make 400hp hp at which point the Z would need either turbos or supercharger to keep up. The Z is a great car but it's limited which how far you can go unless you go with forced induction.

In the end the Nismo doesn't offer a whole lot over a regular Z and in fact when comparing to a touring model you are actually having to compromise with the interior. You can't go wrong either way but considering you already have a 370z I would just stick with it and fix it up the way you want. Or if you are really hell bent on beating your buddy with the EVO get yourself a used Vette for 30k or new one for 40-45k. Then you EVO friend will be having to pull out all the stops to keep up with you.

Nismo89 07-03-2011 09:46 AM

If you dont want to void the warranty....and thinking about a nismo.. But dont want to void warranty..then purchase an intake for your car....adds up to 17.5 hp. Just got my intake....adds 17.5 hp.to 332 hp stock... Even if you have a base z like me.....you can spend some extra money and upgrade the power to that of the nismo.

JrumMusic 07-03-2011 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 280z/300zx (Post 1201494)
I've owned both. Used to have an 09 touring/sport 6-speed. It was unfortunately totaled last year and I replaced it with a Nismo as a last resort. I couldn't find the right color/option combo and settled for a Nismo. Honestly in your situation it's not worth the loss of money. I'll break it down for you as best I can.

Power: There is a noticeable difference in power between the two but nothing drastic. I would describe the difference as taking a regular Z and adding exhaust to it. You feel the hp increase but it's nothing that's going to make you say "holy crap." It's not for example like he difference between a WRX and STI or Vette and Z06, etc. Still between my sport/touring with FI exhaust vs. my Nismo with FI exhaust, my Nismo is noticeably faster.

Suspension: On the street you won't really appreciate the difference between the two cars. In fact the only thing you will appreciate is how much stiffer and rougher the ride is in the Nismo. Honestly, I prefer the sport Z over the Nismo in this area. Yes on the track the subtle differences are apparent but for me I'm only at the track a few times a year; the rest is spent driving to work every day.

Body kit: this has already been mentioned. Pretty much you will not match the fit and finish as well as functionality of the NIMSO compared to aftermarket. In order to get an equivalent kit and also have it nicely painted and installed you will spend big money. Also, this is very subjective as some hate the "fast and furious" look while others like it. I find myself torn between liking both. Some days I like my Nismo kit and some days I wish I didn't have it. Then again I think it's more that I miss my old color (yellow) as it really popped.

Cost: As already mentioned the price between nismo and standard is not 10k. I got my Nismo for 35k which was pretty much the same price as the touring/sport I was looking at. In your case you'll take a hit as you just bought your car so again probably not the best financial choice

Racing: you mention your friends EVO; forget about it. I've ran both modified and stock EVO X's at the track. In stock form you can best the EVO as long as you can get off the line. Typically they will pull 1/2 to 1 car length due to the AWD advantage but as long as you can get the Z off the line you should be able to pull out a win, although not by much. Modified, forget it. Typically even with basic bolts once they get off the line you won't be able to catch up. The AWD just gives them a big advantage off the line. From a roll the EVO can not match the Z stock. I'm not saying you'll blow it's doors off but you should be able to walk away from one. Modified it depends. The two I raced only had basic mods but I never did find out their exact set up. Both managed to hang with my Nismo with FI exhaust up to about 100mph at which point I started walking away, slowly. That being said the EVO doesn't need much to be able to make 400hp hp at which point the Z would need either turbos or supercharger to keep up. The Z is a great car but it's limited which how far you can go unless you go with forced induction.

In the end the Nismo doesn't offer a whole lot over a regular Z and in fact when comparing to a touring model you are actually having to compromise with the interior. You can't go wrong either way but considering you already have a 370z I would just stick with it and fix it up the way you want. Or if you are really hell bent on beating your buddy with the EVO get yourself a used Vette for 30k or new one for 40-45k. Then you EVO friend will be having to pull out all the stops to keep up with you.

Nice detailed post!! I think im going to just keep the damn thing lol haha

Mt Tam I am 07-03-2011 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrumMusic (Post 1201947)
Nice detailed post!! I think im going to just keep the damn thing lol haha

Good decision. As stated previously, modify with the difference.

EazyD 07-03-2011 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 280z/300zx (Post 1201494)
I've owned both. Used to have an 09 touring/sport 6-speed. It was unfortunately totaled last year and I replaced it with a Nismo as a last resort. I couldn't find the right color/option combo and settled for a Nismo. Honestly in your situation it's not worth the loss of money. I'll break it down for you as best I can.

Power: There is a noticeable difference in power between the two but nothing drastic. I would describe the difference as taking a regular Z and adding exhaust to it. You feel the hp increase but it's nothing that's going to make you say "holy crap." It's not for example like he difference between a WRX and STI or Vette and Z06, etc. Still between my sport/touring with FI exhaust vs. my Nismo with FI exhaust, my Nismo is noticeably faster.

Suspension: On the street you won't really appreciate the difference between the two cars. In fact the only thing you will appreciate is how much stiffer and rougher the ride is in the Nismo. Honestly, I prefer the sport Z over the Nismo in this area. Yes on the track the subtle differences are apparent but for me I'm only at the track a few times a year; the rest is spent driving to work every day.

Body kit: this has already been mentioned. Pretty much you will not match the fit and finish as well as functionality of the NIMSO compared to aftermarket. In order to get an equivalent kit and also have it nicely painted and installed you will spend big money. Also, this is very subjective as some hate the "fast and furious" look while others like it. I find myself torn between liking both. Some days I like my Nismo kit and some days I wish I didn't have it. Then again I think it's more that I miss my old color (yellow) as it really popped.

Cost: As already mentioned the price between nismo and standard is not 10k. I got my Nismo for 35k which was pretty much the same price as the touring/sport I was looking at. In your case you'll take a hit as you just bought your car so again probably not the best financial choice

Racing: you mention your friends EVO; forget about it. I've ran both modified and stock EVO X's at the track. In stock form you can best the EVO as long as you can get off the line. Typically they will pull 1/2 to 1 car length due to the AWD advantage but as long as you can get the Z off the line you should be able to pull out a win, although not by much. Modified, forget it. Typically even with basic bolts once they get off the line you won't be able to catch up. The AWD just gives them a big advantage off the line. From a roll the EVO can not match the Z stock. I'm not saying you'll blow it's doors off but you should be able to walk away from one. Modified it depends. The two I raced only had basic mods but I never did find out their exact set up. Both managed to hang with my Nismo with FI exhaust up to about 100mph at which point I started walking away, slowly. That being said the EVO doesn't need much to be able to make 400hp hp at which point the Z would need either turbos or supercharger to keep up. The Z is a great car but it's limited which how far you can go unless you go with forced induction.

In the end the Nismo doesn't offer a whole lot over a regular Z and in fact when comparing to a touring model you are actually having to compromise with the interior. You can't go wrong either way but considering you already have a 370z I would just stick with it and fix it up the way you want. Or if you are really hell bent on beating your buddy with the EVO get yourself a used Vette for 30k or new one for 40-45k. Then you EVO friend will be having to pull out all the stops to keep up with you.

+1 for relevant, detailed post

Brutal 370Z 07-03-2011 11:43 AM

Wow 10k over the sport package z! Someone may be trying to rip you off man. When I went to the dealership to order my z, the Nismo was the exact same price as the fully loaded sport package with nav. I chose not to go with the Nismo because of it's lack of interior features, and because you could easily use bolt-ons to gain the extra power/handling (as others have said).

ScGRaceR 07-03-2011 11:48 AM

i own a nismo dont do it

Underdog 01-31-2012 12:18 AM

370z sports
 
just mod out the little things intake,headers,exhaust stuff like that nothing with a blow torch that will mess up ur warrenty and keep every part just in case with my mods im pushing 354 not sure how much a nismo is but all my mods where under 1500 and i havent got a tune up yet so hopefully im pushing 360 also there are some pretty nice body kits for the 370z out there just go looking for one of those buuuutttt it is ur money and if i was u and i could affored it i would get the nismo cuz i can lol just saying


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