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kenchan 05-03-2011 03:39 PM
getting hungry...

Lug 05-03-2011 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold K. (Post 1087806)
The 370Z is not lighter than the 350Z. Nissan claimed it was, but every magazine that has weighed them have noted they actually weigh the same as the 06-08 350Zs, and more than 03-05 350Zs. Pre-production 370Zs weighed a little less, but then additional safety equipment was added to the final product which added weight.

Anyways, all 07-08 350Zs (also 09 Convertibles) had the new VQ35HR motor, which is essentially the motor our VQ37HR is based on - just with less displacement and a few minor internal differences. Power differences between 350Zs were: 287HP > 300HP > 306HP. So our 370Z has anywhere between 26-45HP more. 370Zs also have a carbon fiber driveshaft, which reduces unsprung weight considerably for much better acceleration.

Then you simply look at the interiors - the 350Zs best interior with navi still looks like it was made from a bin of plastics used to make legos. Where as the 370Zs best interior looks and feels absolutely wonderful all around. Headlights, taillights, every single body panel, suspension, etc. are all different - the cars share practically nothing expect for the 6-speed transmission.
The motors are a bit more different than that. The valve setup is totally different (variable timing on bothintake and exhaust instead of only intake). This allowed for a bit more power and better gas mileage atr the same time.

AlphaSnacks 05-03-2011 03:41 PM
Like I said, without getting technical, the differences are minor. We aren't talking VQ35DE and VQ35HR differences here.

kielbasa16 05-03-2011 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1087811)
agreed, but i agree with other poster that this car is basically a 2nd gen 350. it improved on the 350, but it didnt do anything revolutionary. think 1st gen miata to 2nd gen, not 2nd gen mr2 to 3rd gen mr2
Ah ok I understand your point then. I think there are two different ways of thinking going on. 1 says the 370 was not revolutionarily different from the 350. 2 says the 370 is different (even if in marginal ways) from the 350 in almost every way.

kenchan 05-03-2011 03:41 PM
the appearance is major.

AlphaSnacks 05-03-2011 03:42 PM
Revolutionary implies a game changer. No car is revolutionary, imo. Nothing really is. The 350Z simply evolved into something great, and that was the 370Z. Natural progression for any car, really.

Kingbaby 05-03-2011 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold K. (Post 1087806)
The 370Z is not lighter than the 350Z. Nissan claimed it was, but every magazine that has weighed them have noted they actually weigh the same as the 06-08 350Zs, and more than 03-05 350Zs. Pre-production 370Zs weighed a little less, but then additional safety equipment was added to the final product which added weight.

Anyways, all 07-08 350Zs (also 09 Convertibles) had the new VQ35HR motor, which is essentially the motor our VQ37HR is based on - just with less displacement and a few minor internal differences. Power differences between 350Zs were: 287HP > 300HP > 306HP. So our 370Z has anywhere between 26-45HP more. 370Zs also have a carbon fiber driveshaft, which reduces unsprung weight considerably for much better acceleration.

Then you simply look at the interiors - the 350Zs best interior with navi still looks like it was made from a bin of plastics used to make legos. Where as the 370Zs best interior looks and feels absolutely wonderful all around. Headlights, taillights, every single body panel, suspension, etc. are all different - the cars share practically nothing expect for the 6-speed transmission.
Very informative post for you counterparts to read and take in!

You left out the porkey factor the 370z has!

:icon17:

I Keed I keed




























http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/IMG_0088.jpg

Wasn't keeding

kenchan 05-03-2011 03:54 PM
woah...someone needs new camera...

cossie1600 05-03-2011 03:55 PM
miata was revolutionary at the time. prius. audi quattro coupe

Lug 05-03-2011 03:56 PM
The 350Z also had a one-piece carbon-fiber driveshaft.

AlphaSnacks 05-03-2011 03:58 PM
Heh, I wasn't aware of that.

Davey 05-03-2011 04:15 PM
Once upon a time, the 350Z was pretty awesome, and it got more and more awesomer until the 2008, which was the most awesomest 350Z ever.

Then, it got 20 more of whatever the 350Z had 350 of, and it was the 370Z, which is even MORE awesomer.

The end.

Seriously, as an owner of both and a fan of the car, the 370 chassis is still the FM platform like the 350Z was. As was mentioned, the chassis is shorter, wider, lighter, stiffer... The 370Z is improved in almost every way.

I honestly didn't believe it would be that great. I got in my 350Z (not worn out or anything, just 15K miles!) and drove it to the dealer to test out a 370 thinking it would feel about the same but just look better.

It's not a night-and-day difference, but the turn-in is sharper, the car feels much more precise, the whole experience is just better in terms of a "sports car feel."

Anyway, due to it being the same shared platform I don't know if I'd say it's a whole different car but it's certainly different enough where it counts. :D

Kingbaby 05-03-2011 04:18 PM
Lol iPhone 4 camera fail!

Edit:

Above comment is true I dont like the 370z but it is better in every way.

Except looks...well the Nismo rocks!

kenchan 05-03-2011 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 1087895)
Lol iPhone 4 camera fail!
:icon18: wow, that's terrible.

FromG2Z 05-03-2011 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold K. (Post 1087806)
The 370Z is not lighter than the 350Z. Nissan claimed it was, but every magazine that has weighed them have noted they actually weigh the same as the 06-08 350Zs, and more than 03-05 350Zs. Pre-production 370Zs weighed a little less, but then additional safety equipment was added to the final product which added weight.

Anyways, all 07-08 350Zs (also 09 Convertibles) had the new VQ35HR motor, which is essentially the motor our VQ37HR is based on - just with less displacement and a few minor internal differences. Power differences between 350Zs were: 287HP > 300HP > 306HP. So our 370Z has anywhere between 26-45HP more. 370Zs also have a carbon fiber driveshaft, which reduces unsprung weight considerably for much better acceleration.

Then you simply look at the interiors - the 350Zs best interior with navi still looks like it was made from a bin of plastics used to make legos. Where as the 370Zs best interior looks and feels absolutely wonderful all around. Headlights, taillights, every single body panel, suspension, etc. are all different - the cars share practically nothing expect for the 6-speed transmission.
nicely put. I should pass this on to anyone thinking about buying a 370.... lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lug (Post 1087824)
The motors are a bit more different than that. The valve setup is totally different (variable timing on bothintake and exhaust instead of only intake). This allowed for a bit more power and better gas mileage atr the same time.
Yet another good point I neet to take note of.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1087831)
the appearance is major.
That in itself is the "biggest" diff to most people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1087848)
woah...someone needs new camera...
Should I tell them about my DSLR, Ken???? :P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davey (Post 1087886)
Once upon a time, the 350Z was pretty awesome, and it got more and more awesomer until the 2008, which was the most awesomest 350Z ever.

Then, it got 20 more of whatever the 350Z had 350 of, and it was the 370Z, which is even MORE awesomer.

The end.

Seriously, as an owner of both and a fan of the car, the 370 chassis is still the FM platform like the 350Z was. As was mentioned, the chassis is shorter, wider, lighter, stiffer... The 370Z is improved in almost every way.

I honestly didn't believe it would be that great. I got in my 350Z (not worn out or anything, just 15K miles!) and drove it to the dealer to test out a 370 thinking it would feel about the same but just look better.

It's not a night-and-day difference, but the turn-in is sharper, the car feels much more precise, the whole experience is just better in terms of a "sports car feel."

Anyway, due to it being the same shared platform I don't know if I'd say it's a whole different car but it's certainly different enough where it counts. :D
Agreed.

Mike 05-03-2011 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold K. (Post 1087806)
370Zs also have a carbon fiber driveshaft
so did the 350Z

kenchan 05-03-2011 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1087910)
Should I tell them about my DSLR, Ken???? :P
:icon18: hahaha, yah, but i need to get one too. :ugh2:

kenchan 05-03-2011 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1087911)
so did the 350Z
my G35C also has carbon drive shaft. :)

onzedge 05-03-2011 04:31 PM
iPhone, hmm

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AlphaSnacks 05-03-2011 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1087911)
so did the 350Z
It's been noted already. ;)

houkouonchi 05-03-2011 06:24 PM
I think the best way to explain it is simply say its really a completely different car that just looks similar. A 350Z is a Z33 and a 370z is a Z34 using the Japanese model numbers. Nissan does not change these numbers just because the displacement change. The car was basically completely re-designed from the ground up.

They definitely drive significantly different (I have significant driving experience on both). Here is a better comparison pick showing my dad's 350Z and my 370Z. Both are stock. He has an enthusiast (regrets he didn't go performance) and I have a base w/sports:

http://box.houkouonchi.jp/370z/DSC_2378-small.JPG

http://box.houkouonchi.jp/370z/DSC_2372-small.JPG

http://box.houkouonchi.jp/370z/DSC_2380-small.JPG

Mike 05-03-2011 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by houkouonchi (Post 1088148)
I think the best way to explain it is simply say its really a completely different car that just looks similar. A 350Z is a Z33 and a 370z is a Z34 using the Japanese model numbers. Nissan does not change these numbers just because the displacement change. The car was basically completely re-designed from the ground up.
Not exactly. First, the difference between the 240Z and 260Z was an increase in stroke. Then when the 280z came out, it was an increase in bore, but all three were the same cars with only minor trim and appearance differences.

It had been a couple years since I had my 350z, but the day I brought the 370 home, I immediately changed out springs, sways and suspensions, and while the front is slightly modified and improved, this car is just an evolution of the past on the same platform with a new body and interior. It felt like I was right back at home taking it apart.

Waiz 05-03-2011 06:38 PM
It's called wikipedia!

I don't have enough time to list all the changes, it's too extensive.

Here are some highlights:

-bigger motor
-Much better interior materials
-No rear-strut tower!
-rev matching on Manual transmission
-Push-button start/keyless entry.

LOL at some of your responses, but then again you're defending your own cars, the same thing happens on my350z whenever someone makes a 370z vs 350z thread. :icon18:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 1087895)
Lol iPhone 4 camera fail!

Edit:

Above comment is true I dont like the 370z but it is better in every way.

Except looks...well the Nismo rocks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1087915)
That is user error, he needs to clean his phone or learn to not shoot in direct sunlight. :icon17:

I took this pic with my Iphone 4....:stirthepot:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-29jqg0u54A...0/IMG_1398.JPG

onzedge 05-03-2011 06:42 PM
^^^Where is the picture?

onzedge 05-03-2011 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1088179)
Not exactly. First, the difference between the 240Z and 260Z was an increase in stroke. Then when the 280z came out, it was an increase in bore, but all three were the same cars with only minor trim and appearance differences.

It had been a couple years since I had my 350z, but the day I brought the 370 home, I immediately changed out springs, sways and suspensions, and while the front is slightly modified and improved, this car is just an evolution of the past on the same platform with a new body and interior. It felt like I was right back at home taking it apart.
Right -- all of the 240, 260 and 280's were S30 chassis designations and essentially the same car.

Waiz 05-03-2011 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1088195)
^^^Where is the picture?
Refresh your browser brocifer

onzedge 05-03-2011 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 1088202)
Refresh your browser brocifer
Umm, OK. I see it. Nice quality.

Waiz 05-03-2011 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1088227)
Umm, OK. I see it. Nice quality.
:tiphat:

Kingbaby 05-03-2011 06:56 PM
^^^^

Waizz you've seen my thread...I can't take pictures for Shiet!

Waiz 05-03-2011 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 1088244)
^^^^

Waizz you've seen my thread...I can't take pictures for Shiet!
:icon17:

Just try to

1) Always shoot in HDR mode
2) Clean the lens or keep fingers away from it
3) Don't shoot at mid-day or directly in the sun.

:tup:

Mike 05-03-2011 07:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 1088187)

I took this pic with my Iphone 4....:stirthepot:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-29jqg0u54A...0/IMG_1398.JPG
very nice quality photo!

Waiz 05-03-2011 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1088271)
very nice quality photo!
:tup:

I'm pleasently surprised how well it takes pics.

cfweber 05-03-2011 07:15 PM
the best Z ever?
 
Didn't I see somewhere the 300Z on an all time list?

Anyway, the 370 is at least a better if not best Z

Ya gotta love the handling

cossie1600 05-03-2011 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1088179)
Not exactly. First, the difference between the 240Z and 260Z was an increase in stroke. Then when the 280z came out, it was an increase in bore, but all three were the same cars with only minor trim and appearance differences.

It had been a couple years since I had my 350z, but the day I brought the 370 home, I immediately changed out springs, sways and suspensions, and while the front is slightly modified and improved, this car is just an evolution of the past on the same platform with a new body and interior. It felt like I was right back at home taking it apart.
I am with Mike, the 370 is a 350 with improvements (lots of it) to it. It is not a new car or new chassis, get over it.

Morrißey 05-03-2011 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1088341)
I am with Mike, the 370 is a 350 with improvements (lots of it) to it. It is not a new car or new chassis, get over it.

I can see both points of view.

I guess its the Audi R8 and the Lamborghini Gallado story;
  • based on the same platform - True -
  • but are very very different cars. - True Again

abgyak 05-03-2011 08:11 PM
Just to remind you guys there's a Nismo 350Z with a 3.8litre engine... its called the 380RSZ... here's one i took from my friends' Z....

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1481676_n.jpg

houkouonchi 05-04-2011 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1088200)
Right -- all of the 240, 260 and 280's were S30 chassis designations and essentially the same car.
Yeah he seemed to be making my point for me? Different displacements yet they are all the same S30. The 370z is really a new car which is why it is a Z34 vs Z33 and why I consider it to be a considerably different car that just looks similar to a 350Z.

kenchan 05-04-2011 09:47 AM
my Z is considerably shorter than my G35C which is great news...and why i consider the Z33 and Z34 a completely different car (because of the platform change).

i can actually open my tool case drawer in front of the Z with no issue. :D

that Z33 platform was intended for the G35C. :p

ArtVandaleigh 05-04-2011 11:26 AM
Not sure how many of you guys owned a 350 before getting a 370 but I did, and pretty much everything was improved upon. Performance wise it's not that big a difference over the 3.5VHR model cars, but it's better all around. Engine wise it was a nice jump from my 05 Track model (had the 300HP non-VHR motor). The best improvements to me were engine/interior. Only thing i miss from the 350 was being able to see the tire's PSI in realtime from the trip computer... I loved that!

onzedge 05-04-2011 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by houkouonchi (Post 1089002)
Yeah he seemed to be making my point for me? Different displacements yet they are all the same S30. The 370z is really a new car which is why it is a Z34 vs Z33 and why I consider it to be a considerably different car that just looks similar to a 350Z.
You are correct -- he was making your point. :tup:


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