Hahaha. So true. BUT ALL JAPANESE CARS ARE BETTER ZOMG

I actually joined the forum because I wanted to be fully knowledgeable/aware about the car, not because I am a fan boy.

But Bobo pretty much summed up everything else.

Not really in the same class anyway. 370Z is a true sports car, like C6 Vette. Camaro is a 2+2 GT coupe, like G37S.

the new camero is suppose to be super fast...and I mean hella hella quick. But that's if Chevy still decides to go forward with releasing it to production due to their bailout.

I personally love both cars, but they're two different types of car. A 370z is more like a sports car and the Camero is a remake of the beautiful classic muscle car. If gas isn't a concern, then sure get the gas muncher...but I would personally would get the Z because it's much more efficient and provides all the power and performance you need for a day to day car. Speaking of performance, I believe the Z can totally out handle the Camero on a track. Then again, this all depends if you even track your car or do you just drag racing or love taking everyone down on the freeway.

By the way, Nissan 350Z's interior was cheap as hell....as much as i hate to admit it, Nissan isn't much better than most American made cars when it comes to their interior designs - they all suck and look bulky! I would have to agree that not all Japanese cars are great. I currently own a Lexus and I seriously think Nissan's got ways to catch up even when compared to my other car which is an old Honda Accord. But I am glad that they did improve the new 370Z's interior.

Well I wouldnt quite call 0-60 in the mid-4's as "hella quick" - but it'll boogie, thats for sure. Its the fastest muscle car throw-back right now, and it'll be very easy to mod to be made ridiculously fast. Chevy wont stop its release - they're already made, and with how many pre-orders they have on it, it'd be foolish NOT to sell it. Honestly I hope they sell like hot cakes, Chevy needs a "success".

If I didnt want a car that I was going to road course the **** out of, right now I'd have a new Camaro on order. No doubt about it. I like the looks, and I like its performance. The only downside is the fact that its too bulky to track. Sad really, but on the other hand, how many muscle cars are made for the road course?

Ironically, you make a very valid point about out handling the Camaro on the track, scruffy. The Camaro will, more than likely, handle just as well as the 370 on the road considering how LITTLE people push their cars to the limit lol. The Camaro will be more than enough car for MANY people.

OK, time to play devil's advocate on gas mileage though - I know Im a bit of a spirited driver, but even then Im still only getting 20-21 MPG around town (in Sport mode, admittedly). Thats not THAT amazing :). Most people would be shocked how efficient GM's SBC really can be...

And on a lighter note, I think my signature is seriously making people forget...its spelled CamAro!

yea it will make a difference ok name me a good american car?? my dad had a dodge horrible it kept breaking down. cheap plastic everything was bad. mustang i respect tho. i made a typo sorry for spell camaro wrong. we all make a typo at some point give me a break. jappanese does make better cars accept it.

:iagree: i couldent have said it better myself. thanks for getting my back:tup:
maybe ill go tomorrow to he 370z event in lakeworth ill let you know.

dude dont mess with hondas. why do you see so many of them?? 95's!! 14 years my friend has one runs great. now in the other hand we have a mustang 95. the engine messed up after a week. soo yea buddy. jappanesse> american
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the over heating is just in track. not EVERYONE goes in the track very few people does!!! so thats "bias statements" of your part mr.
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have a good day :tiphat:

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I 2nd the choice for a Camaro. For same reason as above :iagree:

Horray for more blanket statements and generalities lol.

I proved ssq just about completely wrong in his post but you thanked him anyway just because he backed you up lol. I think I would have thanked someone who made an intelligent, well organized post, but his was just as bad as yours - completely full of bias. You pick single examples of vehicles and generalize that ALL of a brands vehicles are like that. I cant think of a worse possible practice. Besides, how do we know how your buddy's treated their vehicles? You can say whatever you want about how they all did all required maintenance, but we want statistics here - not here-say.

So, going off your standards, is a 1998 Chevrolet Prism a bad vehicle? It IS a Chevrolet after all...

Look, you're going to have to come in here with something a lot more solid than what you have so far. Spouting off stuff from the hip because your buddy's 1995 Mustang wasn't as reliable as your other buddy's Honda lol - solid argument you have there!

Besides, no comment on the GT-R tranny, or Suzuki's reliability (or lack thereof)? How about all of the rattles in the 370, and why does it take so long to get the valve train lubed up on a cold start in the VQ versus a horrifically simple small block chevy? Or, what many think is (albeit new and interesting) an overly complicated valve train system in the VQ? I know this is all over your head, but humor me anyway. :ugh2:

OP Get what you want...Its your money.

ok ok listen i know ssqpolo in real life he lives less than a mile away from me. I also know how he treats his cars. my father owned amercian vehicles, never happening again. thats why we dont have none. we have a sienna xle 04, and a lexus is 250. you cant compare their quality with any of american car's. secondly is what you get for what you pay. ill rathher pay a little more for a lexus than a cadillac. just face it jappanesse cars are better.why would you buy a car from a company that is struggeling econically because of how their cars performed (bad) in the past? GO NISSAN! now if we were comparing bmw or other european car now its a different story. except volvos lol

All you had to say was the first sentence, and now I know why you have each others backs lol.

There is a LOT more to why GM and other domestics are struggling right now, than quality issues. Again, you're generalizing instead of looking at the big picture. Just a few reasons off the top of my head:

-Excessive labor costs here, particularly due to health care and retirement. Japanese cars have about $1000 of a cars value going to these things. American cars send about $2000-2500. In the end, thanks to unions, workers are getting FAR too much for how little they do...

-Putting too many eggs in one basket. They hoped the SUV market would explode...which, in actuality, it did. And then oil prices sky rocketed, and as per usual, the consumer got scared. The funny part of all this is that Vespas, which were selling like HOT CAKES a year ago, dropped in sales drastically now that oil is cheaper again. People will never learn...they actually think oil will stay this cheap? lol...

-Too many models, too many brands. How many different versions of the same car do we REALLY need? Dont like the Sierra? Get the Silverado. Dont like the Cobalt? Get the G5. Its excessive and pointless. Same goes for other companies, too. Trim the fat, get rid of the worst companies, and go with your strongest brands and improve on a single car GREATLY, versus improving several cars barely...

I'm not saying that many Japanese cars ARENT superior to many American cars right now. Not at all. All I'm trying to say, is that many American cars aren't NEARLY as bad as you make them seem. The new Malibu is leaps and bounds better in quality and fit/finish than ever before. The Focus is one of the best sub-compacts on the market. ANY American pickup is better than the Ridgeline in utility (no, a silly storage area in the bed would never make me want to buy that poor excuse for a "truck"). Cadillac's CTS is an amazing luxury car, and one of the best in its segment. The Mustang is being viewed by MANY magazines as a huge performance bang-for-the-buck (even over the 370Z).

I could go on and on here. I appreciate your enthusiasm for a particular market, and there is nothing wrong with it. But there is a difference between being enthusiastic for a type of car, versus completely blinding yourself of OTHER types of cars purposefully just because you don't like them. It all goes back to being able to appreciate any type of car (even if its from a brand you don't appreciate), versus just the ones you like.

all i said was jappanesse had better quality. ok american cars have a couple that not enough to beat jappanesse. at the end we will see if gm actually survives this economic problem. i doubt it. but you never know. intul this labor unions actually start doing some real labors except of working just to work. then maybe just maybe american cars will actually be in competition to other foreign cars. till then japan owns. lol:tup:

GM will survive - there are far too many jobs that depend on GM and the other companies to simply let them disappear. The government will save them, GM will trim their fat (like Saturn, Pontiac and Hummer), and we all will move on. Hopefully, GM will be a little bit wiser this time around and focus their money on improving fit and finish, rather than making 10 billion models of the same car using the same platforms. They have LOTS of quality vehicles, its just a matter of improving them.

*sigh* But you're young I can tell. Im not that old either, but I remember back when I was all for GM and nothing but, just because my family was all GM. Thankfully I matured and realized theres a lot more to getting a good car than simply assuming that all vehicles from a certain part of the world are bad or good simply because they come from there :)

im not all about jappanesse cadillac i respect. cts is very nice car. gm just need exactly what you said improve their cars. till then...well idk. so yea they need to actually start competing against other brands be moore aggresive. build their cars with more passion. 370z is probably one of the best cars invented. yes it may have some faults but not that many. remember humans make it. we all make mistakes only GM makes more...jaja jk

My blanket statement:
The only mistake GM has is the labor unions; which for some reason the US still supports.:ugh2: Hopefully GM will file chapter 11, get rid of all the unions, and will finally be able to compete... Till then, they will keep paying a guy $75 a hour to sweep with a broom.

yeah after all get the camaro. helps keep the z a bit more rare and itll help the american economy get back on track. Its your american duty to buy the camaro . wink,wink

fyi here are the most recalled cars of 07

1. Volkswagen New Beetle: 1,002,000
2. Toyota Sequoia: 533,124
3. Jeep Liberty: 149,605
4. Nissan Altima: 140,582
5. Hyundai Tucson: 128,300
6. Dodge Nitro, Jeep Wrangler: 80,894
7. Suzuki Forenza, Reno: 75,697
8. Volkswagen Passat, Passat Wagon: 58,800
9. Chrysler Sebring, 300, Dodge Caliber, Magnum, Charger, Nitro, Jeep Compass, Liberty, Commander, Grand Cherokee, Wrangler: 50,665
10. Infiniti G35 Coupe: 23,934
11. Chevrolet Aveo: 17,676
12. Nissan Versa: 16,309
13. GMC Acadia, Saturn Outlook: 13,032
14. Ford Expedition: 10,061

as you can see there are 6 asian, 6 american, 2 german vehicles on the list

so with that said if you want reliability get a jag ;)

do you really want a bunch of internet strangers pick the car you will have in the near future?

Go drive them both and chose for yourself....

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I've owned four F-bodies (all purchased new); a 1973, a 1976 and a 1970 (Trans Ams) and a 2000 Z/28.

Needless to say, I love the Camaro/Firebird line but I doubt I'll ever buy another one.

The LSx engine line is incredible and quality, perhaps not quite up to par, is almost certainly not as much of an issue as in the past. The interior is another matter but if I love a car enough I can live with a less than perfect interior.

Bottom line is that everyone buying a new car has to buy the car they are most passionate about and, if they are financing it, won't get pissed off three years down the road when they are making out that check every month.

Having been a significant part of both over the years, I can tell you that the F-body and the Z communities have great people in them...many of whom I'm fortunate to call friends.

Don't let other people sway your opinions...buy what you most want...drive both cars and think about it...both the Z and the new Camaro are desirable but for their own, unique reasons.

:iagree: this damn unions are fuc*in this country up..i mean ill understand if the actually build the car to last better quality..but nooo. my friend has a 95 camry 250 k miles on it and still runs thats crazy lol not in the best conditon but you get my point...

Get a GTR and Call it a day :)

On balance, I'd recommend the 370z, because you can spell it. ;)

Have you sat in a Camero yet ?

Yuk! I swear GM ran out of money, ideas or maybe even creative people. The cockpit is absolutley horrible.

Good luck.

This is sooooo GM unfortunately, as the concept car had the interior down. The same holds for the Corvette. Corvette owners for years have been screaming at GM to do something with the interior.

That's how they lost me as a vette owner.

I think you're missing my point. The quality of American cars is on par if not better than imports. The point I am trying to make is: If you have two companies that are competing, Company "A", and company "B". Company "A" is paying a person to do a job @ $14.00 an hour, and company "B" is paying a person @ $35.00 an hour to do the EXACT same job. Company "B" is not able to compete in the market.

Hence GM's problem in the market. GM is not able to compete because of the labor unions, not because of the quality of car. They do not have the same profit margins as their competitors

This why I do not understand why we are bailing GM out. We are going to purchase est. 20,000 cars from GM (due to bailout). But because the government still sides with the unions, whose expectations are outrageous this day in age, GM will still be in a slump later down the line .Our government is our own worst enemy sometimes :confused:

It has been quite a while since I owned a domestic car, except for a F150 I owned in 2002 for only 6 months, but in my experience this was never the case. Is this the general feeling now? that domestics are on par with imports as far as quality? if so, that is surprising. I saw a dodge challenger a few days ago and the interior looked bland and cheap, and the steering wheel looked like it came from a giant ship. maybe it was a high quality ship, like a yacht.

And I saw a "recent" video of a 370z that was burning up the first day it was on a test track. So yes, I am sticking with my statement :tiphat:

Man, has Freshhxkid made his decision yet so we can end this thread!?

you have a link to the video?

the thing is, every challenger comes with that interior and steering wheel, where so far, the 370Z you are mentioning is the only one I have heard of on fire. Having owned the car for 3.5 months I am pretty happy with the quality of its build.

No, the 370z wasn't on actual fire, I was refering too the oil cooler problem. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

There is also now another problem with the 370z that someone is talking about the interior cracking due to heat. The thread is started in the "exterior/interior".

The the thing is, every car is going to have it's flaws.

Don't get me wrong. I still think the 370z is a fantastic car, espically for the price, and I am probably still going to buy the 370z because it is such a beautiful car (Overall) :tup:

It just gets me frustrated when people are saying, "Import is better than an American car" , when their only excuse is "it's an import; it will last longer; your American car is going to fall apart in a couple of years"
Do you have a crystal ball that can see into the future?

I am done ranting, Sorry :tiphat:

No crystal ball. but I'm not just asking baseless questions either. I have owned American cars in the past, including a 1982 Camaro Z28 (long time ago), and more recently a 2002 F-150. I grew up in a household that had American cars. In the past imports definitely had the higher quality, and they lasted a hell of a lot longer on average, and American cars got a bad reputation for quality. Its one of the reasons I switched to imports and did not switch back. perhaps its not true today, I don't really know, thats why I asked.

SoCal I so agree with you .. close this thread down. Its just pointless, the guy went with a toyota prius anyway. lol

GM put wheel weights on the brakes of the camaro to reduce brake noise? High quality stuff.
Wheel weights on my Camaro's calipers - Camaro Forum - 2009 Camaro / 2010 Camaro / New Camaro SS Z28 Forums - Camaro5.com

Whats a 370z and Camero?!
Where I'm from we roll with Razors!
And if you want to be extra special you can mod on a wheelie bar!
Yeah break all the bitches necks. :D
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LMAO, I get to use this again!

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