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Jordo! 03-20-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998120)
I doubt it. Keep hating the U.S. and being an apologist if it makes you sleep better at night. I've served my nation in war and in peace so your tired old America bashing angle isn't working with me. Lastly, most of the world doesn't think Americans are self-centered people, they actually love America and its people. Its only a very loud minority that wants you to think that the rest of the world hates us.

Okay.

BTW... http://pewglobal.org/2007/03/14/amer...tudes-project/

On the bright side, attitudes abroad are getting better http://pewglobal.org/2010/03/05/revi...-global-image/


Thank you for your service.


When did I say I hated the US? :confused:

dad 03-20-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by T.Rager22 (Post 997341)
I was just informed that my Z that I've been waiting on since September was on the car port in Japan waiting to get loaded up when the disaster hit. Supposedly is was mostly the Infinity M's, Nissan Rogues, and the Z's waiting to be loaded and none could be salvaged... JUST MY LUCK!!!! the car was supposed to be in my hands by the end of this month. looks like its going to be a little longer to wait... sadly. Anyone else have the same misfortune?

Here dude, help yourself!

Red__Zed 03-20-2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 998091)
:tiphat:



Dude... if you don't understand how these are entirely different matters I really don't know what to tell you.

I don't think anyone at Stillen will be horrified by my comments; if you just lost loved ones in the disaster, you would probably be agahst that someone made the comments the OP made.

God forbid people should think about how the things they say or do affect others :rolleyes:

I'm sure he's a very nice guy and meant no harm (whereas I am clearly a prick and feel obligated to give him some sh!t :icon17: ), but it shows a monumental lack of consideration for others who have had their lives pretty much ruined or permanently changed for the worse from this disaster.

Basically, he (and everyone else whining about how the worst disaster in Japan's history inconvenienced them) are just being incredibly thoughtless and self-absorbed.

So self absorbed, in fact, he had no problem seeking support from a crowd of strangers on a public forum, and expected people to be concerned with his problems and sympathetic.

Well, sometimes you get criticism instead of hugs.

Oh well.

I don't think the OPs comments were terribly insensitive. What happened in Japan is tragic, but life does move on. I'm not implying that we pretend nothing tragic happened, just that there's no need to jump down the throat of everyone who comments that their life was affected by it in a non-major way.


My comment about your thread obviously wasn't comparing things apples-to-apples. I'm just saying reading his complaint thread isn't exactly cluttering GenDis, when we get stellar threads like that otherwise...

chuckd05 03-20-2011 04:42 PM

jordo, i thought you were done ? We all understand your POV on the tragedy, I don't think you are going to change anyones thoughts, regardless of what they may be, by posting about your opinion on the situation... I agree with how you feel completely and I am sure red zed does too but I feel like you are over reacting just to "yell" at people about this... give it a break

Jeffblue 03-20-2011 05:40 PM

I had ordered some custom Nike's when the 2004 Tsunami hit Indonesia, i had to wait an extra 6 months for them, i was so pissed.

Jordo, your point that the OP can't be a little pissed about his car, despite the horrific events that obviously overshadow the importance of a vehicle he ordered is kind of ridiculous. It's like if you live in an apartment building that burns to the ground and you and your family make it out safely, and others do not, that somehow you aren't allowed to be upset that every single one of your wordly possessions is now burnt to a crisp.

Plus, this is a car forum.... the OP isn't seeking out people who have lost family and loved ones in Japan and complaining about his car to them. he's posting it on a 370z forum, it's really NOT that inappropriate.

One can always play the 'there are others with greater misfortune' card. No one really wants to have it pushed in their face. If someone gets into a car accident and is sad that their Z is totaled, should you go in and post and talk about how you saw some horrific accident where someone died and they shouldn't complain about their car? There is always someone who has it worse. I'm sure there is someone in Japan who's entire family was killed, and was exposed to tons of radiation, and guess what? there's someone out there that, in some way, has it worse than even that person. So let the OP complain about his car and stop trying to make him feel like an asshole.

There have been natural disasters, genocides, and many other terrible tragedies in the world, but that doesn't mean if you get a flat tire or bend one of your brand new Volk's that you're not allowed to be upset.

dad 03-20-2011 06:06 PM

Ok, enough repetitive posts using Jordo as a punching bag!

IDZRVIT 03-20-2011 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998120)
....most of the world doesn't think Americans are self-centered people, they actually love America and its people.

Um, you need to take your head out of the sand. Don't get me wrong, I love my neighbours to the south but outside of NA, the US hasn't been that popular.

Jordo, I agree with with all your comments and it needed to be said.

Nismo89 03-20-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 998283)
Um, you need to take your head out of the sand. Don't get me wrong, I love my neighbours to the south but outside of NA, the US hasn't been that popular.

Jordo, I agree with with all your comments and it needed to be said.

you think they would take all the damaged cars say..in the pic... and strip them down and rebuild them? then try and sell them again? my parents said they might try that route. instead of a clean slate new.

Jordo! 03-20-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 998240)
I had ordered some custom Nike's when the 2004 Tsunami hit Indonesia, i had to wait an extra 6 months for them, i was so pissed.

Jordo, your point that the OP can't be a little pissed about his car, despite the horrific events that obviously overshadow the importance of a vehicle he ordered is kind of ridiculous. It's like if you live in an apartment building that burns to the ground and you and your family make it out safely, and others do not, that somehow you aren't allowed to be upset that every single one of your wordly possessions is now burnt to a crisp.

Plus, this is a car forum.... the OP isn't seeking out people who have lost family and loved ones in Japan and complaining about his car to them. he's posting it on a 370z forum, it's really NOT that inappropriate.

One can always play the 'there are others with greater misfortune' card. No one really wants to have it pushed in their face. If someone gets into a car accident and is sad that their Z is totaled, should you go in and post and talk about how you saw some horrific accident where someone died and they shouldn't complain about their car? There is always someone who has it worse. I'm sure there is someone in Japan who's entire family was killed, and was exposed to tons of radiation, and guess what? there's someone out there that, in some way, has it worse than even that person. So let the OP complain about his car and stop trying to make him feel like an asshole.

There have been natural disasters, genocides, and many other terrible tragedies in the world, but that doesn't mean if you get a flat tire or bend one of your brand new Volk's that you're not allowed to be upset.

You don't get it...

Like the old song says, it's not what you do, it's the way that you do it :icon17:

On that note, ironically, I probably could have just posted a picture of the wahhhmbulance or a lol cat to mock the OP's bid for sympathy purely for my own amusement, and that would have been viewed as perfectly acceptable :rolleyes:

Ah, it's a cruel, cruel world :icon17:

If the OP's been waiting since September for his shiny new car, I wonder why he waited until after a 9.0 earthquake + tsunami + multiple nuclear reactor failure to bitch and moan about it :icon17:

Timing!

I kid, I kid. I hope he gets his car soon :tup:

NCSUPACK09 03-20-2011 06:21 PM

Alright, this thread is going nowhere. Everyone has their own opinion and there is no point in allowing this thread to stay open and have forum members take shots at each other repeatedly.

Mods, I think its time for the lock.

Jordo! 03-20-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IDZRVIT (Post 998283)
Um, you need to take your head out of the sand. Don't get me wrong, I love my neighbours to the south but outside of NA, the US hasn't been that popular.

Jordo, I agree with with all your comments and it needed to be said.

:tiphat:

Actually, I added a couple links to some Pew Research center findings on the subject in my reply you might find of interest.

The good news is we are now better liked :tup:

dad 03-20-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo89 (Post 998290)
you think they would take all the damaged cars say..in the pic... and strip them down and rebuild them? then try and sell them again? my parents said they might try that route. instead of a clean slate new.

Maybe, maybe not! Mazda destroyed a couple thousand vehicles a few years ago. They were in pretty good, to very good shape!

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ZCarMan 03-20-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 998280)
Ok, enough repetitive posts using Jordo as a punching bag!

Would you like your box of tissue back?

daisuke149 03-20-2011 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998306)
Would you like your box of tissue back?

Hi Jon, I forget if you had family in Japan (more like dont know if you still do)

How are they? Mine were all fine luckily despite my cousin being in Sendai.

dad 03-20-2011 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998306)
Would you like your box of tissue back?

Quit picking fights. Stop trying to make trouble.

kenchan 03-20-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NCSUPACK09 (Post 998299)

Mods, I think its time for the lock.

Not so fast! :mad:

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PapoZalsa 03-20-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by T.Rager22 (Post 997341)
I was just informed that my Z that I've been waiting on since September was on the car port in Japan waiting to get loaded up when the disaster hit. Supposedly is was mostly the Infinity M's, Nissan Rogues, and the Z's waiting to be loaded and none could be salvaged... JUST MY LUCK!!!! the car was supposed to be in my hands by the end of this month. looks like its going to be a little longer to wait... sadly. Anyone else have the same misfortune?

The only ones to have misfortune are the people of Japan!

You might not have your Z but you still have your family, house, other car and still alive. The car can wait or get a slighty used one, the For Sale Section is full of them and pretty sure some dealer in the US has a 370Z. :shakes head:

ZCarMan 03-20-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 998311)
Hi Jon, I forget if you had family in Japan (more like dont know if you still do)

How are they? Mine were all fine luckily despite my cousin being in Sendai.

Hey Dai, we have not heard from our family up in Mutsu but we believe from posts on varioius forums that they did not suffer as those in Sendai, Hachinoe, and elsewhere along the Pacific north coast did. I'm glad to hear your cousin is okay.

daisuke149 03-20-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998328)
Hey Dai, we have not heard from our family up in Mutsu but we believe from posts on varioius forums that they did not suffer as those in Sendai, Hachinoe, and elsewhere along the Pacific north coast did. I'm glad to hear your cousin is okay.

that sucks man, hopefully you hear from them soon! It took us a while to get in touch with our family due to power /communication outages. In fact we havnt spoken to our cousin directly, but via our other cousin who got in touch with her.

kenchan 03-20-2011 06:45 PM

Wtf, where did the op newb go? Its like he came to our room, farted, shut the door and left... :ugh2:

Jamaica 03-20-2011 06:46 PM

wow and i just now saw this lol

ZCarMan 03-20-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 998330)
that sucks man, hopefully you hear from them soon! It took us a while to get in touch with our family due to power /communication outages. In fact we havnt spoken to our cousin directly, but via our other cousin who got in touch with her.

I've been in touch with some fellas up at Misawa and they've said that Mutsu had a "dwarf tsunami" but nothing on par with the costal areas on the Pacific side.

daisuke149 03-20-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998342)
I've been in touch with some fellas up at Misawa and they've said that Mutsu had a "dwarf tsunami" but nothing on par with the costal areas on the Pacific side.

well still hope you hear soon, even if it doesnt seem bad I know your anxious to hear directly.

ZCarMan 03-20-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 998352)
well still hope you hear soon, even if it doesnt seem bad I know your anxious to hear directly.

Thanks Dai, we are anxious for sure. In the meantime I educate myself reading Pew Research Center Attitude polls.

Red__Zed 03-20-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 998316)
Quit picking fights. Stop trying to make trouble.

Maybe direct that comment at yourself and Jordo!. Jon's not the one posting up boxes of tissues...

b1adesofcha0s 03-20-2011 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998354)
Thanks Dai, we are anxious for sure.

I hope your family's OK Jon. I do wish the best for all the people of Japan and everyone whose been affected by this tragedy.

I kind of understand both sides of the argument, but I don't think all this arguing over the internet is going to accomplish anything. Yes, a car is not important compared to the lives and well being of thousands of people. However, you can't use this tragedy to say that no one is ever allowed to be even the slightest bit upset or unhappy over anything else. By that logic, no one in the world should ever be allowed to be upset because someone somewhere in the world has it worse.

ZCarMan 03-20-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 998366)
I hope your family's OK Jon. I do wish the best for all the people of Japan and everyone whose been affected by this tragedy.

I kind of understand both sides of the argument, but I don't think all this arguing over the internet is going to accomplish anything. Yes, a car is not important compared to the lives and well being of thousands of people. However, you can't use this tragedy to say that no one is ever allowed to be even the slightest bit upset or unhappy over anything else. By that logic, no one in the world should ever be allowed to be upset because someone somewhere in the world has it worse.

Shahid, thanks.

dad 03-20-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 998365)
Maybe direct that comment at yourself and Jordo!. Jon's not the one posting up boxes of tissues...

zcarman was trying to start a fight or argument as he has previously has done! The box of tissues was directed at the OP, "not you", "not zcarman"!

Jordo! 03-20-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998354)
Thanks Dai, we are anxious for sure. In the meantime I educate myself reading Pew Research Center Attitude polls.

:bowrofl:

Wait -- you got friends and family over there? They okay?

ZCarMan 03-20-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 998398)
:bowrofl:

Wait -- you got friends and family over there? They okay?

Yep, family. Uncles and Aunts and cousins. All up north. Haven't been able to get through to them yet but believe they survived.

Jordo! 03-20-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 998337)
Wtf, where did the op newb go? Its like he came to our room, farted, shut the door and left... :ugh2:

:roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2:

Jeffblue 03-20-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 998366)
I hope your family's OK Jon. I do wish the best for all the people of Japan and everyone whose been affected by this tragedy.

I kind of understand both sides of the argument, but I don't think all this arguing over the internet is going to accomplish anything. Yes, a car is not important compared to the lives and well being of thousands of people. However, you can't use this tragedy to say that no one is ever allowed to be even the slightest bit upset or unhappy over anything else. By that logic, no one in the world should ever be allowed to be upset because someone somewhere in the world has it worse.

:iagree:

Jordo! 03-20-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998408)
Yep, family. Uncles and Aunts and cousins. All up north. Haven't been able to get through to them yet but believe they survived.

Hope they are safe, man.

ZCarMan 03-20-2011 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 998418)
Hope they are safe, man.

Much appreciated. I know you mean well. Your methods are what I disagree with and I won't stand idly by. That said, perhaps you and I can agree to disagree on this matter and call it a day?

Jordo! 03-20-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998422)
Much appreciated. I know you mean well. Your methods are what I disagree with and I won't stand idly by. That said, perhaps you and I can agree to disagree on this matter and call it a day?

Absolutely -- actually, if anyone has the right to tell me to give it a rest, it's you and any others in the same boat.

Hope you hear from them soon.

PapoZalsa 03-20-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 997406)
Wow.

Yeah, sorry such a terrible thing had to happen to you.

Be strong.

:bowrofl: :roflpuke2: :bowrofl:

Pushing_Tin 03-20-2011 08:31 PM

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Japan's cascading disasters were spawned by one of the planet's strongest quakes in a century. Next came a tsunami that killed more than 10,000 people and demolished vast swaths of the northeastern coast in minutes. That triggered a nuclear emergency that has amplified a deepening sense of apocalyptic doom.
That was taken from Yahoo news. In light of what's happening/happened there it's hard for some of us to feel any sympathy for you. So your shiny new sports car is going to be delayed, end of story. Hard as it may be for you, try and remember there are hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been forever turned upside down, and are suffering at this very moment. Then perhaps the thought of your car arriving a few months late will be easier to take.

One more quote from that same article:

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It's hard not to be impressed with the immense grace of the people we've encountered along the way. I've seen no fighting, no shouting, only patience.


kenchan 03-20-2011 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 998366)
Yes, a car is not important compared to the lives and well being of thousands of people. However, you can't use this tragedy to say that no one is ever allowed to be even the slightest bit upset or unhappy over anything else. By that logic, no one in the world should ever be allowed to be upset because someone somewhere in the world has it worse.

well, from my perspective the OP used the term 'misfortune' and that didn't settle very well.

i too would be pissed if my car was stuck at the port and washed away after a long wait, but then considering the total perspective i would consider my situation 'bad luck' than anything more and move on to find alternatives.

misfortune is a heavy word...perhaps the OP doesn't know 英語 (english) very well. :rolleyes: :icon23: oops, i meant :icon17:

onzedge 03-20-2011 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 998527)
well, from my perspective the OP used the term 'misfortune' and that didn't settle very well.

i too would be pissed if my car was stuck at the port and washed away after a long wait, but then considering the total perspective i would consider my situation 'bad luck' than anything more and move on to find alternatives.

misfortune is a heavy word...perhaps the OP doesn't know 英語 (english) very well. :rolleyes: :icon23: oops, i meant :icon17:

Preach on, Brother Ken! You are right on the money with this.

dad 03-20-2011 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 998422)
Much appreciated. I know you mean well. Your methods are what I disagree with and I won't stand idly by. That said, perhaps you and I can agree to disagree on this matter and call it a day?

"The pots calling the kettle black"!
That's what I did! And your still mad! In fact your above post^ was very similar to the what you originally said to me. Until you came back a half hour later and re-edited it!


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