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Nismoracer 01-06-2011 03:34 PM

Performance Numbers
 
There are a lot of dyno figures with hp numbers and graphs and meters that show gains. But realistically does anyone have any numbers that show gain from like a track or something? With all the mods show a gain in 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times etc. The horsey numbers are cool but what how does it translate to the asphalt. Here's one that I have. 0-60 stock 5.9 secs added drop ins now 5.3 secs. Those aren't best times just average not hard launches either, just engaging the clutch and hittin the gas.

ImportConvert 01-06-2011 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismoracer (Post 883614)
There are a lot of dyno figures with hp numbers and graphs and meters that show gains. But realistically does anyone have any numbers that show gain from like a track or something? With all the mods show a gain in 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times etc. The horsey numbers are cool but what how does it translate to the asphalt. Here's one that I have. 0-60 stock 5.9 secs added drop ins now 5.3 secs. Those aren't best times just average not hard launches either, just engaging the clutch and hittin the gas.

What you seem to be talking about is 5-60. Stock, the 370Z is tested to do 5-60 in about 5.8-5.9 seconds.

All too often people get caught up in 0-60 and don't stop and realise that this is with a pro driver and a 3 or 4000rpm clutch drop, feathering the cluth/throttle.

You aren't likely to do this on the street nearly as often as a quick romp from the bottom of first.

When I wonder about a car's "real world" performance, I just google the C&D 5-60 test for that car. It's an eye-opener, and it seems to correlate VERY well to how the car feels on the street after you get past all the magazine-racer BS.

daisuke149 01-06-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismoracer (Post 883614)
There are a lot of dyno figures with hp numbers and graphs and meters that show gains. But realistically does anyone have any numbers that show gain from like a track or something? With all the mods show a gain in 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times etc. The horsey numbers are cool but what how does it translate to the asphalt. Here's one that I have. 0-60 stock 5.9 secs added drop ins now 5.3 secs. Those aren't best times just average not hard launches either, just engaging the clutch and hittin the gas.

your claiming drops in gave you .6 seconds in the 0-60......

uhmm..

kenchan 01-06-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismoracer (Post 883614)
Here's one that I have. 0-60 stock 5.9 secs added drop ins now 5.3 secs.

:icon14: ummm... you dont need drop-ins to do that. just wait until a cold day and you'll probably get the same 5.3 with the right launch using your stock box after driving like a maniac for 10min or so prior.

ChrisSlicks 01-06-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismoracer (Post 883614)
There are a lot of dyno figures with hp numbers and graphs and meters that show gains. But realistically does anyone have any numbers that show gain from like a track or something? With all the mods show a gain in 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times etc. The horsey numbers are cool but what how does it translate to the asphalt. Here's one that I have. 0-60 stock 5.9 secs added drop ins now 5.3 secs. Those aren't best times just average not hard launches either, just engaging the clutch and hittin the gas.

Correct the HP numbers don't mean much, you're making peak HP for the blink of an eye in real driving. What does matter is the area under the curve for the RPM band that you plan on using. If you bolt something on that only increases power at 7000rpm and up sure it will show up on the dyno sheet as a power gain but it won't do much for you on the track.

I think it would be interesting to real world test the effect of each part individually but unfortunately given the wide variety of variables and changing conditions it isn't really possible or practical. So the best you can practically do is use a good load corrected dyno such as a Mustang or Dyno Dynamics and look at the power curve as a whole rather than just the peak number.

halogodx 01-06-2011 05:30 PM

Well the number i can give u is my 1/4 mile.

I'm pure stock 09' 370z 7AT
1/4 mile: 13.35 sec @ 105.6 mph

kenchan 01-06-2011 08:31 PM

that's plenty fast. :D

Nismoracer 01-06-2011 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by halogodx (Post 883805)
Well the number i can give u is my 1/4 mile.

I'm pure stock 09' 370z 7AT
1/4 mile: 13.35 sec @ 105.6 mph

Yeah that's along the lines I was thinking about. And Yes I know with a better launch Bliss could be had. I engage the clutch and hit the gas and measure it that way because that is the only way I can consistently launch the same way. And yes according to my Gtech pro I went from 5.9 sec to 5.3 secs with the drop ins.

Nismoracer 01-06-2011 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 883667)
What you seem to be talking about is 5-60. Stock, the 370Z is tested to do 5-60 in about 5.8-5.9 seconds.

All too often people get caught up in 0-60 and don't stop and realise that this is with a pro driver and a 3 or 4000rpm clutch drop, feathering the cluth/throttle.

You aren't likely to do this on the street nearly as often as a quick romp from the bottom of first.

When I wonder about a car's "real world" performance, I just google the C&D 5-60 test for that car. It's an eye-opener, and it seems to correlate VERY well to how the car feels on the street after you get past all the magazine-racer BS.

Wouldn't it be faster with the roll out?

Nismoracer 01-06-2011 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 883735)
:icon14: ummm... you dont need drop-ins to do that. just wait until a cold day and you'll probably get the same 5.3 with the right launch using your stock box after driving like a maniac for 10min or so prior.

Well on a cold day ( 40* )and with my best launch I managed a 4.9 sec 0 - 60mph. Which I can't repeat to save my life but was cool to have seen it.

ImportConvert 01-06-2011 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismoracer (Post 884170)
Wouldn't it be faster with the roll out?

When 0-60 is measured with the 1' roll-out, it is usually .2-.3 faster than when they don't allow roll-out. That is why some magazine times are always "faster" than others.

Jordo! 01-07-2011 01:17 AM

Mean data on stock performance for 6MT and 7AT, based on info posted here.

http://www.the370z.com/815552-post26.html

Individual results may vary :icon17:

Nismoracer 01-07-2011 11:22 AM

Yeah I've seen plenty of the magazine reviews and they all vary, not consistent at all. Motortrend has the fastest reviews on the Z. 0-60 like 4.7 sec everyone else has it 5.1, 5.2 etc. Was just curious how much of a gain ppl got with certain mods. Say someone put on test pipes or headers or anything. How much of a difference did they notice, how much did it improve 0-60 or 1/4 mile or roll on power etc. I was fortunate to run into a guy the other night who had put on HFC. We couldn't run em from a dead stop but rolling power in 2nd gear he slowly creeped ahead of me, once we went into 3rd we let off. That was the only mod he had done so far. He didn't even do drop ins.

ImportConvert 01-07-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismoracer (Post 884819)
Yeah I've seen plenty of the magazine reviews and they all vary, not consistent at all. Motortrend has the fastest reviews on the Z. 0-60 like 4.7 sec everyone else has it 5.1, 5.2 etc. Was just curious how much of a gain ppl got with certain mods. Say someone put on test pipes or headers or anything. How much of a difference did they notice, how much did it improve 0-60 or 1/4 mile or roll on power etc. I was fortunate to run into a guy the other night who had put on HFC. We couldn't run em from a dead stop but rolling power in 2nd gear he slowly creeped ahead of me, once we went into 3rd we let off. That was the only mod he had done so far. He didn't even do drop ins.

Motortrend didn't count the roll-out. The other mags did. You can fudge 0-60 numbers so much, but a 5-60 is what it is. That is why I pay attention to 5-60 to tell me 95% about how the car will feel from a redlight on the street.

That sounds about right for HFC's (15whp, give/take).


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