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MBLAQ 11-03-2010 08:41 PM

Possible to start engine without depressing on clutch??
 
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shadoquad 11-03-2010 08:51 PM

Well, if you buy the Automatic Transmission, no. lol

More seriously, I don't think that it is possible stock. But people have bought after market remote starters for their manual transmission Z's, some with disastrous results (remember, don't leave the car in gear if you do this mod).

Hope that helps.

Trips 11-03-2010 08:56 PM

Yes, bypass the safety feature!
Not recommended!

MBLAQ 11-03-2010 08:57 PM

yeah i know about the auto engine start from remotes. its illegal in my state.

but i get lazy to have to sit in the car then get out if i jsut want to warm up my car :/
just wondering if theres any fuse or wiring that can be done to eliminate the clutch use.

TongMan 11-03-2010 08:58 PM

The clutch can be bypassed. My civic's clutch is bypassed and I don't need to engage the clutch to turn on the ignition.

Cjanik 11-03-2010 09:46 PM

the nice thing about the Z is that the gauge shows what gear its in. with that said, find out which wire gets triggered when the "N" shows up on the display, and use that to flip a relay which will allow the remote start to activate. if there's no N then there's no remote start.

6spd 11-03-2010 09:53 PM

just duck tape the clutch safety switch down.

shadoquad 11-04-2010 10:49 AM

I've dealt with starting manual cars just for the purpose of warming them up, or for starting them while the hood's open. I simply sit on the seat with my right buttock and use the right foot to depress the clutch, wiggle the stick to make sure she's out of gear, and then swing right back out of the car. It's not hard to do.

ChrisSlicks 11-04-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 795359)
I've dealt with starting manual cars just for the purpose of warming them up, or for starting them while the hood's open. I simply sit on the seat with my right buttock and use the right foot to depress the clutch, wiggle the stick to make sure she's out of gear, and then swing right back out of the car. It's not hard to do.

That's the best way.

You don't want to bypass the clutch sensor especially if you have SRM. If you are doing it because of a remote starter then you can usually set it up to send a temporary signal which you would achieve by shunting pin 99 of the BCM to ground. Figuring out how to detect neutral (if you have SRM) would also be a really good idea to prevent you sending the Z through the garage door.

JB-370z 11-04-2010 12:32 PM

The saftey wire would need to be grounded to something and then your done.

ClemsonWill 11-04-2010 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 795359)
I've dealt with starting manual cars just for the purpose of warming them up, or for starting them while the hood's open. I simply sit on the seat with my right buttock and use the right foot to depress the clutch, wiggle the stick to make sure she's out of gear, and then swing right back out of the car. It's not hard to do.


This is what I do as well. Specifically comes in handy when you are changing oil and all dirty. I can't imagine trying to get oil out of my almost white seats.

zcar_dad 11-04-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MBLAQ (Post 794827)
yeah i know about the auto engine start from remotes. its illegal in my state.

but i get lazy to have to sit in the car then get out if i jsut want to warm up my car :/
just wondering if theres any fuse or wiring that can be done to eliminate the clutch use.

In my state it is illegal to have your car running (warming up) without you in it due to car jacking. Of course if you lock the door it won't open if your key is far enough away. around here they just break your window and drive away.

TX_370 11-04-2010 01:47 PM

I am not sure about doing it with a push start vehicle, but if I had my old car in first gear, turn the key, and hit the gas it would start up. Obviously, this is not good for the car but it did work.

RedBullRR 11-04-2010 02:05 PM

It's like that for a reason. Saftey! If you want an autostart they sell legitimate alarm systems that are costly but will give you autostart in a safe manner. Had a Compustar alarm system on my car about 700 bucks with autostart. You had a process before shutting the car off, but it was something you do anyway. Very cool so you didnt start the car in gear. If you opened and closed the door it will disengage the autostart. Again expensive but I enjoyed it.

ykz 11-07-2010 11:15 PM

just did this on my car. Installing relay provisions for my remote start i ordered. I used two relays as there are actually two switches on the clutch pedal.

Relay#1 - to open the circuit for clutch pedal position switch coming out of pin 99 at the BCM (a 12V input is normally found on this pin at rest which must be interupted to allow a start)

Relay#2 - to apply 12v to the clutch interlock switch circuit at pin 114 of the BCM. (this pin has 0Volts at rest and requires 12v to allow a start)

Following that just apply a ground pulse to the start button circuit at pin 89 on the BCM and voila, your car starts with no clutch, no push button.

I will be using a proximity key bypass module that powers up the key fob only for the start of the car then powers it off once started. That way the key fob is dead after the car is started and you cannot walkup to the car and unlock the doors with the door unlock request button.

ChrisSlicks 11-08-2010 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ykz (Post 800470)
just did this on my car. Installing relay provisions for my remote start i ordered. I used two relays as there are actually two switches on the clutch pedal.

Relay#1 - to open the circuit for clutch pedal position switch coming out of pin 99 at the BCM (a 12V input is normally found on this pin at rest which must be interupted to allow a start)

Relay#2 - to apply 12v to the clutch interlock switch circuit at pin 114 of the BCM. (this pin has 0Volts at rest and requires 12v to allow a start)

Following that just apply a ground pulse to the start button circuit at pin 89 on the BCM and voila, your car starts with no clutch, no push button.

I will be using a proximity key bypass module that powers up the key fob only for the start of the car then powers it off once started. That way the key fob is dead after the car is started and you cannot walkup to the car and unlock the doors with the door unlock request button.

Nice job.

How much did the proximity key module end up costing you?
Is it a regular fob that you removed the battery from or something else?
Did you do anything for neutral detection?

ykz 11-09-2010 07:13 PM

The bypass module cost $40. Its the type that you remove the battery from the fob and it powers the fob up through its own wiring. I have done anything for the neutral switch yet....still trying to think up something safe/creative.

ChrisSlicks 11-09-2010 08:13 PM

In the transmission section of the manual it mentions a park/neutral switch connector for the 6MT for vehicles with and without S-mode so that might be something you can tap into. See page TM-44 for the exploded view (item 6).

In the BCM section of the manual it is referred to as the "SFT PN/N SW". It appears to connect to pin 140 and is at 12V (battery voltage) when in neutral and 0V when in gear. See BCS-68.

ykz 11-10-2010 01:43 PM

Thats great. Just might work but i gotta check my car first and see if its actually there. Unfortunately my car does not have S-mode. The service manual says the switch is there s-mode or not, but the BCM section says pin 140 is only used if you have an A/T or an M/T with S-mode and nothing on M/T non S-mode. Even if its not, its the same transmission case nearest i can tell and the neutral switch and plunger only come out to $20. Not sure how i missed this but thanks for pointing me in that direction! I naturally assumed there would be no neutral switch.

ChrisSlicks 11-10-2010 02:54 PM

The transmission manual indicates the neutral switch is there for both with and without S-mode but the BCM manual indicates it is only present if you have S-mode. Either one of these 2 manuals is wrong or there is a wire going nowhere. Hope you can figure out a solution.

ImportConvert 11-10-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 794823)
Yes, bypass the safety feature!
Not recommended!

I agree. I still remember that video of that kid ramming his Dad's classic mustang through the garage door.

ykz 11-11-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 804452)
The transmission manual indicates the neutral switch is there for both with and without S-mode but the BCM manual indicates it is only present if you have S-mode. Either one of these 2 manuals is wrong or there is a wire going nowhere. Hope you can figure out a solution.

So i put the car up on the lift last night. The switch is there. Anytime the ignition is on, 12v is sent to one side of the switch, in any position of the neutral gate the switch is closed and it does in fact send 12v to pin 140 of the BCM but also branches off and sends 12v to pin 109 of the ECM. Ovolts are seen in any gear. Should be easy to tap into.

ChrisSlicks 11-11-2010 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ykz (Post 805478)
So i put the car up on the lift last night. The switch is there. Anytime the ignition is on, 12v is sent to one side of the switch, in any position of the neutral gate the switch is closed and it does in fact send 12v to pin 140 of the BCM but also branches off and sends 12v to pin 109 of the ECM. Ovolts are seen in any gear. Should be easy to tap into.

Very nice. Those doing remote starters on the 6MT will find this very useful. +Rep.

sonic370 11-11-2010 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 795466)
That's the best way.

You don't want to bypass the clutch sensor especially if you have SRM. If you are doing it because of a remote starter then you can usually set it up to send a temporary signal which you would achieve by shunting pin 99 of the BCM to ground. Figuring out how to detect neutral (if you have SRM) would also be a really good idea to prevent you sending the Z through the garage door.

:bowrofl:

sonic370 11-11-2010 07:05 PM

i'm still trying to figure out how to reset the oil and filter warning change notice cluster...................

ChrisSlicks 11-12-2010 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonic370 (Post 806330)
i'm still trying to figure out how to reset the oil and filter warning change notice cluster...................

:facepalm:

TongMan 11-12-2010 08:06 AM

After thinking about bypassing the clutch pedal, I've come to realize that it would be absurd to bypass it. Bypassing the clutch would mean that the driver can start the car by a push of the start/stop button. But, that would mean that it would be impossible to go into ACC mode and ON mode. So, in summary, DO NOT bypass the clutch in your 370z.

ykz 11-13-2010 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 806786)
After thinking about bypassing the clutch pedal, I've come to realize that it would be absurd to bypass it. Bypassing the clutch would mean that the driver can start the car by a push of the start/stop button. But, that would mean that it would be impossible to go into ACC mode and ON mode. So, in summary, DO NOT bypass the clutch in your 370z.

To completely bypass it would be not so smart not to mention the fact that all switches are monitored by the BCM and ECM. As soon as the car moves above 40kmh for a certain duration and does not see the switch positions changing(ie shifting gears) the car starts to throw codes. Its all in the service manual.

Yet i think you might have missed the part where i said i was installing a remote start on my 6MT. That being said i am not "bypassing" the clutch switches(you cant without getting codes nonstop) the remote start will send out a signal to a pair of relays to "simulate" the clutch being pressed, and only for the duration of the start cycle. Once the car is up and running the relays go back to normal and all functions as per normal. interfacing with the push button, interlock switch, pedal position switch, as well as neutral switch takes a series of 5 relays. all non functioning when the remote start is not entering the start sequence. You can still use ACC and ON mode in my car. I may post my relay wiring diagram at a later date once i get everything finished up.

cheers

tvfreakazoid 11-15-2010 04:04 AM

I read in a paper column that modern cars you dont' have to "warm" them up because they are fuel injected. Not sure what exactly that means but that's what i've read.

ChrisSlicks 11-15-2010 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 809809)
I read in a paper column that modern cars you dont' have to "warm" them up because they are fuel injected. Not sure what exactly that means but that's what i've read.

The engine doesn't need to be warmed up before normal driving but it sure helps when your trying to get a sheet of ice off the windshield. I have remote start in all my Winter vehicles.


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