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Cmike2780 10-28-2010 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SeattleLion (Post 786130)
People on here have such diverse requirements. Clearly there are advantages in the sport package, particularly if you don't plan to do major modifications (I don't). I don't think the wheels are that cool looking, but I have never made a decision to buy or not buy based on how the wheels look. After all, I am inside the car. Other people see the outside so it's their problem.
I agree, it all comes down to what you want, but that doesn't mean you should load up on every option just because your afraid you might regret it later. Thats a neverending cycle if you think of cars that way in general and why a lot of people buy a new car every four years or so. I guarantee most people with a base Z are just as happy with their cars as those with loaded Z's. Do you regret not buying the vert', 40th or Nismo for example.

As far as performance and safety advantages of the Sports package, that has yet to be proven to show significant improvement. The sport brakes may not fade as easily, but they are not meant to be dedicated racing brakes either. On the street, the differences are moot aside from aesthetics.

To the OP, I say just take the car out for a test drive. If you like it, take it home. Simple as that.

AutoX Z 10-28-2010 07:38 PM
I got the sports package to do that VVVVVV never would have had a chance without it.

hdskull 10-28-2010 08:01 PM
Yes to the sports package, the 2000something dollars is well worth it. I regret not getting it.

NiZZZmo370 10-28-2010 08:25 PM
Nothing is a must, its all personal preference. Just choose wisely and make sure you dont regret it after the purchase.

TongMan 10-30-2010 06:49 AM
The people who didn't get the sports package are just finding excuses to cover up their mistake so they can fake being happy with their decision to buy a non-sports package.

Cmike2780 10-30-2010 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 788651)
The people who didn't get the sports package are just finding excuses to cover up their mistake so they can fake being happy with their decision to buy a non-sports package.
You could also say the people that got the sports package are finding ways to justify spending an extra $3000. If you honestly think people are unhappy with a non. S/P Z, then You don't give this car enough credit.

sonic370 10-30-2010 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 788651)
The people who didn't get the sports package are just finding excuses to cover up their mistake so they can fake being happy with their decision to buy a non-sports package.


:iagree: it's the best 3000.00 option you will by

TongMan 10-31-2010 05:48 AM
I got the sports package for invoice, so it was 26xx.

jakoye 10-31-2010 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bleek (Post 786156)
are you male?
Are you 12?

jakoye 10-31-2010 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SeattleLion (Post 786130)
People on here have such diverse requirements. Clearly there are advantages in the sport package, particularly if you don't plan to do major modifications (I don't). I don't think the wheels are that cool looking, but I have never made a decision to buy or not buy based on how the wheels look. After all, I am inside the car. Other people see the outside so it's their problem.

From a practical perspective, the $3,000 is a reasonable price for larger tires, bigger wheels, better brakes, and LSD. All of those things make the car more nimble and safer. The touring was a no brainer for me. That affects the inside of the car! That's where I sit. I like the Bose sound system, love the navi. It is really advanced (in the 2010, at least). The voice recognition is decent, even with all the road noise.

As for bolt-ons. Since I will never race (watching the laps on Top Gear is scary enough for me), the only mods that make sense to me involve safety and roadworthy driveabilty. For safety, I changed the brake lines to stainless steel and the brake fluid to DOT 5.1. Also for safety I added a backup camera (hooks right into the nav). I also changed the tires (big expense!) to Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus, stock size, to improve cold weather performance. I don't plan to drive in anything but light snow. Here in the Seattle area we don't get much snow. On days it is snowy my wife can drive me to work in her 4X4 Tacoma.

People here seem divided on the need for an oil cooler for non-track Z's. It is concerning that the engine oil could go to 260 and above. Of course, synthetics don't lose the ability to lubricate at 300 degrees, but it would be a royal pain to find myself limited to 45 mph while on a 10% grade. As far as I can tell, adding the Nissan Sports oil cooler ($795) will set me back about $1,100 bucks with labor. So I am taking a wait-and-see position.

The reason I included all this extra information is that in my case, at least, I always regret not buying some option when I get a car. As a result, I get true peace of mind if I order everything. Yes, it added about $5,000 to the base touring, but it saved me the $45,000 of getting a new Z next year cause I can't stand not having (fill in the blank...sports package...navi, etc.). I have seen more than one thread on here where others have turned around and replaced a 2009 with a 2010 because of buyer's remorse over unpurchased options.

The bottom line, in my opinion, is that if you can't afford the payment for a well-equipped Z, you might have a hard time with the more expensive care and feeding it requires. Then again, it's all a matter of personal preference.

If you do elect not to buy the sport package, be sure you won't find yourself back at the dealer next year for one that includes it.
Nice writing, SeattleLion. Good to finally see someone on here from Seattle with a Z. I see a fair number of 350s around here, but I've only seen a handful of 370s. I guess that's a good thing, eh? :)

I like replacing the brake lines with stainless steel and higher grade fluid. That's probably one of the best upgrades you could make to any car, I would think. I might do that to my 'Stang, but if I'm gonna get a Z, I probably don't want to sink much more money into my Mustang.

As for the Michelin Pilots, I've heard only good things about those tires. I've heard they also cut down on the cabin noise that the Bridgestone's generate. Did you find that to be true?

Jquad 10-31-2010 02:01 PM
Def:tup: I l l0ve akebono:tup:

WhiskeyHotel 10-31-2010 04:50 PM
I chose the sport package because it had some upgrades I had in mind for a good price. It would be nice to have been able to get some of the NISMO options without the exterior glitz.

seungklee 10-31-2010 05:03 PM
Since you're paying to get a 370z, why not get a Sport Package as well? It is well worth it I tell ya. However, if you're looking to cut down payments, that should be no brainer to you.

AllForTheCash 10-31-2010 11:25 PM
Getting Every Option is a must :tup::tup: (except the Auto Tranny, IMHO)

Diocletian 11-01-2010 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AllForTheCash (Post 790489)
Getting Every Option is a must :tup::tup: (except the Auto Tranny, IMHO)
:(

But yes, after driving a base +touring for 370z for 7 months and recently trading it in for a fully loaded Sport/Touring +Nav one? I'd say it's worth it, it finishes off the car very nicely, the non-sport wheels and brakes don't NOT look like they belong on a sports car.

SeattleLion 11-01-2010 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 789741)
Nice writing, SeattleLion. Good to finally see someone on here from Seattle with a Z. I see a fair number of 350s around here, but I've only seen a handful of 370s. I guess that's a good thing, eh? :)

I like replacing the brake lines with stainless steel and higher grade fluid. That's probably one of the best upgrades you could make to any car, I would think. I might do that to my 'Stang, but if I'm gonna get a Z, I probably don't want to sink much more money into my Mustang.

As for the Michelin Pilots, I've heard only good things about those tires. I've heard they also cut down on the cabin noise that the Bridgestone's generate. Did you find that to be true?
The Pilots make a big difference in road noixe. It isn't gone, but you can certainly hear the difference. They also stick better on wet roads. The Bridgestones hydroplaned a lot. So far the Pilots have gone through puddles with no hyrdoplaning at all.

sheps58 11-01-2010 02:37 PM
Not true
 
I could have purchased a vehicle with sports and touring for 5000.00 under MSRP. I chose not to. I find no need for the rev matching MT. My 280 did not have it nor did my E-Type. If I wanted leather and a BOSE stereo with 8 speakers, I can sit in the living room.

The base 370z is a great bang for the buck especially at 27000.00 2010 black.
My car is for the weekend, but I drove the car for 2 hours highway and back roads. The base is fine.

ninous26 11-01-2010 06:28 PM
Yeah but you're forgetting about brakes, wheels, and LSD. Big factors.. With the wheels come better tires for more traction, LSD more stability when powering through corners, and lightweight forged wheels.

hcolba 11-02-2010 10:07 AM
Update from the Original Post: Ended up buying a 2010 Graphite Touring Sport Auto Nav coupe. Pricing was $1000 under dealer invoice, and it definitely has everything I was looking for. Gotta say I love the 7 speed auto with paddle shifters, awesome!

Red__Zed 11-02-2010 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hcolba (Post 792425)
Update from the Original Post: Ended up buying a 2010 Graphite Touring Sport Auto Nav coupe. Pricing was $1000 under dealer invoice, and it definitely has everything I was looking for. Gotta say I love the 7 speed auto with paddle shifters, awesome!
congrats on finding something that works for ya!

RedBullRR 11-02-2010 11:00 AM
I choose the Sport Package over the Touring Package. I had an 04 350Z Touring with Navi. And tell ya the truth the leather sucks, and as nice as it looks when its brand new I know deep down inside after sitting on it a few times it will crease and start to look like ****. I preferred the added bonus in performance vs looks inside. Personally the Base seats are comfy and when I hit a turn fast im not sliding around on leather. Do I like the leather and the Navi... Yes but those are cheaper upgrades then Brakes/Rims/SRM down the line.

370zsport09 11-02-2010 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sonic370 (Post 788956)
:iagree: it's the best 3000.00 option you will by

:iagree::iagree:

Better Tires, Larger Rims, Larger Brakes, NAV Sys/Bose/Bluetooth, LSD....$3,000 additional...no Labor, no OOOopps I broke a bolt, no (awwwweee dang I got the wrong offset), no (awwwweee dang these rims are ugly), no WTT, no WTB sport rims, no I can't drive my car its on blocks for the moment, ..... and best of all no headache...I like my SPORT/Touring PKG :) ++++ its all under warranty :)

elmz 11-02-2010 01:58 PM
In the end its all up to you, but you will most likely regret it if you don't. Try pricing out the following:

19' RAYS
4x RE50's
14' disc brakes w/ 4 pistons in the front
Front chin spoiler
Rear Spoiler
LSD

AND THEN! top it all off with the cost of installation, unless you can install all this yourself. Now I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure it will cost more than 3K.

Oh! and I forgot to mention, you will still be short the SRM...

Cmike2780 11-02-2010 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by elmz (Post 792877)
In the end its all up to you, but you will most likely regret it if you don't. Try pricing out the following:

19' RAYS
4x RE50's
14' disc brakes w/ 4 pistons in the front
Front chin spoiler
Rear Spoiler
LSD

AND THEN! top it all off with the cost of installation, unless you can install all this yourself. Now I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure it will cost more than 3K.

Oh! and I forgot to mention, you will still be short the SRM...
I don't think anyone is denying the value of the sports package. Once again, it all comes down to preference and where you want to take the car in terms of mods. From that list you mentioned, I'm sure someone has already thought a part wasn't good enough and replaced it. Otherwise, we wouldn't find those very parts for sale. Like the Rays wheels & RE50's for example. Usually the first to go. You don't have to look to far on this forum for aftermarket replacement for those two. If you plan to keep it stock, its a great deal.....but that's a personal choice.

wilsonp 11-02-2010 05:11 PM
Also, it is a little unfair not to subtract the cost of the base parts - the car does come with wheels and tires! :)

c41006 11-02-2010 05:55 PM
Why is this still being debated. It is a nice thing to have but the answer to the question is NO

wishihadnav 11-02-2010 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by elmz (Post 792877)
In the end its all up to you, but you will most likely regret it if you don't. Try pricing out the following:

19' RAYS
4x RE50's
14' disc brakes w/ 4 pistons in the front
Front chin spoiler
Rear Spoiler
LSD

AND THEN! top it all off with the cost of installation, unless you can install all this yourself. Now I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure it will cost more than 3K.

Oh! and I forgot to mention, you will still be short the SRM...
i dont want any those options..lol.

Smallywood 11-02-2010 06:55 PM
I'll take the crank windows please! J/K :)

Dwight Frye 11-02-2010 06:59 PM
Let's talk resale value: A 370Z without Touring & Sport packages says that the original owner could barely afford it. Maybe leased it or had his daddy co-sign for it. Maybe drove the sh*t out of it, or modded it and drove the sh*t out of it and then took the mods off before offering for sale. I wouldn't touch a car like that, whether or not the perceptions are accurate. It willend up being sold to the next guy who can barely afford it. There are some great deals out there right now, scrimp on your Starbucks bill or the amount you pay each month to send text messages and make the higher payment.
You are welcome.

Smallywood 11-02-2010 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye (Post 793238)
Let's talk resale value: A 370Z without Touring & Sport packages says that the original owner could barely afford it. Maybe leased it or had his daddy co-sign for it. Maybe drove the sh*t out of it, or modded it and drove the sh*t out of it and then took the mods off before offering for sale. I wouldn't touch a car like that, whether or not the perceptions are accurate. It willend up being sold to the next guy who can barely afford it. There are some great deals out there right now, scrimp on your Starbucks bill or the amount you pay each month to send text messages and make the higher payment.
You are welcome.
You say what I am thinking when I'm selling cars to people! Love It!

370zsport09 11-02-2010 07:17 PM
Had time to do alil better research:
 
Ok, giving luv to all Z's...Base, Sport, Touring, Both Sport/Touring, and Nismo.....here is the low down based off 2011 price:

Based of MSRP 2011 Nissan Z

Base: $30,610

Sport: $33,630 - Additional: $3,020

Sport/Touring: $38,300 - Additional: $8,310

Sport Package includes:

4 piston calipers
14inch rotors frnt
2 piston calipers
13.8 rotors rear
LSD Vicious
19" Rays
Chin Spoiler
Rear Spoiler

Synchro with Manual

Additional:

Splash Guards: $220
Carpeted Mats: $115
Carpeted Trunk: $95
Illuminated Kick Plates: $200
Airdynamics: $650
Nismo Brake Pads: $580

Nav package: $2,500
Rearview Mirror w/ Homelink: $785

Now if you purchased a Base and decided to upgrade your Z:

4 piston front brake kit will run you between $1,500 and up with rotors
19" Rays LMZ5 about $2300
Bridgestone-Brand Potenza RE050A about $1200 balanced/installed

Rear Splash Guard Kit: $78.95
Front Splash Guard Kit: $78.95
LSD: Roughly $1500
Z Mats Z Store: $134.95
Carbon Fiber Door Sill Z Store: $179.95
Trunk Carpet (Amazon.com) cheap and thin: $90.00
Spoiler no rear light: $109.00

No need to do the math :P DUH!!! just purchasing after market rims and tires equals the SPORT Package alone.......Not to mention the time and labor of installing parts............and of course the lovely WARRANTY ;) and higher resale value of OEM performance installed parts :)

All in all its best to just get the SPORT if you do not wish for NAV Touring Package.....cause even if you decide to upgrade you can easily make you money back on selling your OEM Parts to base Model Owners ;) who rather want OEM Parts versus aftermarket.....

Red__Zed 11-02-2010 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye (Post 793238)
Let's talk resale value: A 370Z without Touring & Sport packages says that the original owner could barely afford it. Maybe leased it or had his daddy co-sign for it. Maybe drove the sh*t out of it, or modded it and drove the sh*t out of it and then took the mods off before offering for sale. I wouldn't touch a car like that, whether or not the perceptions are accurate. It willend up being sold to the next guy who can barely afford it. There are some great deals out there right now, scrimp on your Starbucks bill or the amount you pay each month to send text messages and make the higher payment.
You are welcome.
I find that fairly frequently, the stripped down, practical models go to those who CAN afford it, and simply don't see the benefit of wasting money on factory add-ons. If I so choose, I can throw on sport package rims for $900, sell my base rims for $600, and swap to an LSD for another $400. The brakes can be bought new for like $1300, less used. Even the base brakes are worth something to someone with a 240, etc.

Also, I'd just offer up the thought that a non-sports package car probably get's driven less hard on average...:stirthepot:

c41006 11-02-2010 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Frye (Post 793238)
Let's talk resale value: A 370Z without Touring & Sport packages says that the original owner could barely afford it. Maybe leased it or had his daddy co-sign for it. Maybe drove the sh*t out of it, or modded it and drove the sh*t out of it and then took the mods off before offering for sale. I wouldn't touch a car like that, whether or not the perceptions are accurate. It willend up being sold to the next guy who can barely afford it. There are some great deals out there right now, scrimp on your Starbucks bill or the amount you pay each month to send text messages and make the higher payment.
You are welcome.
This is why I keep meticulous maintenance records :tup:

KillerBee370 11-02-2010 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sibze (Post 784377)
yes
this

Cmike2780 11-02-2010 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 370zsport09 (Post 792549)
:iagree::iagree:

Better Tires, Larger Rims, Larger Brakes, NAV Sys/Bose/Bluetooth, LSD....$3,000 additional...no Labor, no OOOopps I broke a bolt, no (awwwweee dang I got the wrong offset), no (awwwweee dang these rims are ugly), no WTT, no WTB sport rims, no I can't drive my car its on blocks for the moment, ..... and best of all no headache...I like my SPORT/Touring PKG :) ++++ its all under warranty :)
Funny how you mention how the tires are better. I could be wrong, but I think the base tires are Yokohama Sport's, the same kind they slap on the Nismo, although obviously a different size. Why would your car be on blocks if you went with aftermarket wheels :confused:

Red__Zed 11-02-2010 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 793556)
Funny how you mention how the tires are better. I could be wrong, but I think the base tires are Yokohama Sport's, the same kind they slap on the Nismo, although obviously a different size. Why would your car be on blocks if you went with aftermarket wheels :confused:
Base stock tires are Yoko Advan Sports. I prefer them to the RE050a's for a variety of reasons...

Cmike2780 11-03-2010 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 793574)
Base stock tires are Yoko Advan Sports. I prefer them to the RE050a's for a variety of reasons...
Did some searching:

Nismo:
245/40YR19 (front) and 285/35YR19 (rear) Yokohama® ADVAN Sport® high-performance tires

Sports Package:
245/40WR19 (front) and 275/35WR19 (rear) Bridgestone® Potenza® high-performance tires

Base:
225/50WR18 (front) and 245/45WR18 (rear) Yokohama® ADVAN Sport® high-performance tires

Nissan's logic doesn't seem to correspond that the Yoko Advan's are the better tire. Otherwise, why would they put them on the model more likely to see a track.

My next set will likely be RE11's.

ninous26 11-03-2010 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 793329)
I find that fairly frequently, the stripped down, practical models go to those who CAN afford it, and simply don't see the benefit of wasting money on factory add-ons. If I so choose, I can throw on sport package rims for $900, sell my base rims for $600, and swap to an LSD for another $400. The brakes can be bought new for like $1300, less used. Even the base brakes are worth something to someone with a 240, etc.

Also, I'd just offer up the thought that a non-sports package car probably get's driven less hard on average...:stirthepot:
No offense, I don't even know you but that sounds SO retardly ghetto and cheap.

ninous26 11-03-2010 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Frye (Post 793238)
Let's talk resale value: A 370Z without Touring & Sport packages says that the original owner could barely afford it. Maybe leased it or had his daddy co-sign for it. Maybe drove the sh*t out of it, or modded it and drove the sh*t out of it and then took the mods off before offering for sale. I wouldn't touch a car like that, whether or not the perceptions are accurate. It willend up being sold to the next guy who can barely afford it. There are some great deals out there right now, scrimp on your Starbucks bill or the amount you pay each month to send text messages and make the higher payment.
You are welcome.
You can't be more right about this post. The whole paycheck to paycheck~30k millionaire comes to mind.

Cmike2780 11-03-2010 01:52 PM
This thread is going downhill. AK should probably close this.


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