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Xander117 04-04-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pbs370z (Post 1027184)
This thread is to talk about how to reduce the noise inside the car. If you're happy with the noise level, then fine. You're a happy camper. For those of us who aren't happy with the noise level, we're (many of us) are going to try to reduce it and we want to know all the techniques and info available to do so. If you don't think this car is noisy inside then this isn't the thread for you. Find another thread!

P.S. I just got finished with Dyanamatting the rear hatch area and also some Luxury Liner Pro over some key areas that sound like a tin drum when you tap on them. Noise level is definitely better. Not satisfied yet though. I plan to do the doors next.


:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2: Sure thing there sport....When people post stuff like this, you cant expect people not to voice their opinion. If you dont want people to voice their opinions then this forum isnt the place for "you".

trainsales 04-04-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ocfoilist (Post 1028597)
That's what surprised me. Nissan put NO sound dampening on this car at all. I do understand what people are saying about "buy a sports car, be prepared for a lot of road noise", but with the technology of today, it's really not hard to get a great sports car that is also not unnecessarily burdened with tire noise and a cacophony of rock & pebble sounds. As a person that does track their vehicle from time to time, I can tell you that (imho) 30 lbs worth of sound dampening doesn't make a smack of difference. I challenge anyone to take their Z to the track and quantitatively differentiate the difference in performance between 3,330 lbs and 3.360 lbs. Take a decibel meter and you can differentiate between absolutely no sound dampening and 30 lbs worth of your favorite dampening material.

Actually, when I installed dynamat in the hatch, I noticed that there was some factory dampening already in place on the wheel wells. Several smallish patches on the interior of the hatch area (on a 2011 model).

tsolin01 04-04-2011 05:18 PM

You can save a lot of cash if you do the install yourself. I recommend Sound Deadening Materials for Noise Reduction from Second Skin and get the Damplifier pro and Luxury Liner pro. I've done the trunk and doors with this stuff and it makes a big difference when it comes to road noise.

The materials are pricey but installing yourself saves you in the end. You can probably do the trunk area and doors for less than $200 in materials. There's really nothing to it except taking apart the interior panels.

hfriedberg 04-15-2011 04:06 PM

There's also the cheap way to suppress road noise. Go to Target or T. J. Maxx and buy a thick pilotes mat ($16.99).Take the cover out of the hatch, cut a pattern out of the mat using the cover as a guide (you might want to make the mat pattern a little larger than the cover). Tape it together on both sides with strapping tape and use small velcro squares to attach the mat to the cover. It doesn't eliminate road noise, but it does cut it bak to an acceptable level.

hfriedberg 04-15-2011 04:14 PM

Addendum: my wife tells me it's an extra-thick yoga mat.

OldGuy 04-15-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hfriedberg (Post 1055844)
Addendum: my wife tells me it's an extra-thick yoga mat.

The ones I see for sale are presented as 1/4" thick. Have you found thicker? I assume the thicker, the better insulating.
I already have the hatch accessory hatch blanket or whatever it's called in there. This mat material would go under the non-accessory hatch carpet and even if it's not perfectly cut, it might improve the situation. Every little bit helps, I would think.

hfriedberg 04-16-2011 10:18 AM

Yes. I used a Stott 1/4" mat. It's the thickest and the softest my wife has seen, so presumably it blocks the most noise. Gaiam (available on line) makes a denser mat, but my guess is that it is no better at absorbing noise. Ideally I should have made a pattern of the hatch itself rather than the thin blanket to get a tighter fit. But the noise reduction is impressive using the blanket, and the yoga mat doesn't show.

Guard Dad 05-04-2011 09:29 PM

Has anyone done any sound deadening in the cabin area in the footwells and under the seats? What did you use and did it make a difference?

What's under the cockpit carpets anyway? Is it mostly bare sheet metal like the hatch area or has the factory put in any sound deadening?

I'm very interested to hear from the members on this issue.

UNKNOWN_370 05-05-2011 06:06 AM

I never hear any cabin noise. I drive with my windows open at WOT. Lol:driving:

onzedge 05-05-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1091156)
I never hear any cabin noise. I drive with my windows open at WOT. Lol:driving:

:tup::driving:

Guard Dad 05-05-2011 01:14 PM

Calm down children, let's play nice. Behave and don't be the person at the back of the class that spoils it for the rest of us.

kenchan 05-05-2011 01:18 PM

GuardDad- if you haven't already, check with 90ST. he's done a full dynamat on the car including floor board. :)

Guard Dad 05-05-2011 01:47 PM

I've already PM'd him twice and got no response, that's why I posted.

kenchan 05-05-2011 01:49 PM

hummm... ask him over in the audio section then?

Guard Dad 05-05-2011 01:55 PM

I'll give him another shout, maybe I screwed up, thanks

mdezz 05-05-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ltp (Post 928735)
Half the noise due to the noisy stock tires. I just changed out the worn out stock tires with the Continental ExtremeContact DWS. The DWS tires are cheaper, much smoother & quieter than the stock tires. Now I enjoy my Z much more.

Thats what I plan to do. Conti DWS- Im hoping they are quieter then the Bridgestones

trainsales 05-05-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1090890)
Has anyone done any sound deadening in the cabin area in the footwells and under the seats? What did you use and did it make a difference?

What's under the cockpit carpets anyway? Is it mostly bare sheet metal like the hatch area or has the factory put in any sound deadening?

I'm very interested to hear from the members on this issue.

I pulled up the factory carpeting on the driver's side to install some wiring, and as I recall, there is some kind of padding under the carpet. It's not glued to the sheet metal, and can be pulled up as well. Sorta like the padding under a regular carpet in your house? Probably provides some sound insulation too. Of course, this was a while ago that I did this so I might be totally wrong.

Guard Dad 09-26-2011 10:43 PM

Hi everyone. Some months ago I mentioned that as part of of an audio upgrade I was going to add more sound deadener in the cockpit area, well I'm back to report the results.

As some of you know I've been aggressive in reducing the road noise in the Z. In the hatch I've applied generous amounts of Dynamat Extreme and covered most of it with Luxury Liner Pro. I've also applied Dynamat Extreme to the doors.

My most recent addition was to apply Rammat (essentially Dynamat Exterme from another supplier) on the bare metal of the cockpit floor. To do this I removed the seats and pulled the carpet back as far as possible. I was not able to apply Rammat to the top of the console and more than about 6-8" above the floor in the foot wells.

My observations are as follows:

Dynamat Exterme in the hatch and doors, approximately 38 square feet total: Huge improvement, modest cost, modest additional weight, modest degree of difficulty. Well worth the trouble.

Luxury Liner Pro in the hatch, approximately 20 square feet: Limited additional improvement over the Dynamat Extreme alone, this stuff is heavy. Probably not worth it unless the noise is a real issue for you.

Rammat on the cockpit floor, this requires removal of the seats, approximately 20 square feet: Rammat seems like a quality product but the improvement is this case was barely noticeable (the factory has already installed significant sound deadener on the cockpit floor) and is limited to a slight reduction of an annoying resonance from the foot wells that really wasn't noticeable until the application of the Dynamat Exterme and Luxury Liner Pro in the hatch. Probably not worth the trouble unless you are gutting the interior for some other reason.

The take away: Apply Dynamat Exterme or Rammat to the doors and hatch for a big noise reduction and only do more if you really feel the need.

UNKNOWN_370 09-26-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1330918)
Hi everyone. Some months ago I mentioned that as part of of an audio upgrade I was going to add more sounding deadener in the cockpit area, well I'm back to report the results.

As some of you know I've been aggressive in reducing the road noise in the Z. In the hatch I've applied generous amounts of Dynamat Extreme and covered most of it with Luxury Liner Pro. I've also applied Dynamat Extreme to the doors.

My most recent addition was to apply Rammat (essentially Dynamat Exterme from another supplier) on the bare metal of the cockpit floor. To do this I removed the seats and pulled the carpet back as far as possible. I was not able to apply Rammat to the top of the console and more than about 6-8" above the floor in the foot wells.

My observations are as follows:

Dynamat Exterme in the hatch and doors, approximately 38 square feet total: Huge improvement, modest cost, modest additional weight, modest degree of difficulty. Well worth the trouble.

Luxury Liner Pro in the hatch, approximately 20 square feet: Limited additional improvement over the Dynamat Extreme alone, this stuff is heavy. Probably not worth it unless the noise is a real issue for you.

Rammat on the cockpit floor, this requires removal of the seats, approximately 20 square feet: Rammat seems like a quality product but the improvement is this case was barely noticeable (the factory has already installed significant sound deadener on the cockpit floor) and is limited to a slight reduction of an annoying resonance from the foot wells that really wasn't noticeable until the application of the Dynamat Exterme and Luxury Liner Pro in the hatch. Probably not worth the trouble unless you are gutting the interior for some other reason.

The take away: Apply Dynamat Exterme or Rammat to the doors and hatch for a big noise reduction and only do more if you really feel the need.

Wow... so how much weight gain are we talking about???

Guard Dad 09-26-2011 11:14 PM

Dynamat Extreme/Rammat runs about 1/2 pound per square foot and Luxury Liner Pro is closer to 1 pound per square foot.

Guard Dad 09-26-2011 11:20 PM

If you are into audio upgrades it's easy to add 20-40 pounds of speakers/subs and amps too.

At least with sound deadener the weight is low on the chassis.

poorazn 09-26-2011 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1330965)
If you are into audio upgrades it's easy to add 20-40 pounds of speakers/subs and amps too.

20-40 lbs is nothing! I'm carrying around at least that much extra everyday around my waist. :ugh2:

Guard Dad 09-27-2011 12:14 AM

Well my plan is to lose the weight from my waist to compensate for the added gear.

LunaZ 09-27-2011 07:06 AM

Having just mounted up a new set of tyres, I can say that there was definitely a lot of noise generated by the stock Potenzas that's not present with my new rubber.

wheee! 09-27-2011 08:01 AM

Love the cabin noise in my Z! Makes me feel connected to the car.

birdmanx1 09-27-2011 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1331083)
Well my plan is to lose the weight from my waist to compensate for the added gear.

In for pics when done :icon17: cool and cheap mod.

RiCharlie 09-27-2011 08:14 AM

I was surprised to find no sound deadening at all in the doors.. I did the hatch and got limited dampening....but the doors made the big difference.

Its fine now but I really, really like quiet in the car as I go on long drives and sometimes my wife or I want to nap in the passenger seat..so when the tires wear out I am switching to Continental Extreme contacts..i have asked enough people and there seems to be good reason to believe these will also reduce the noise..

I really have come to believe that Nissan did not add sound dampening because they want to differentiate this car from the G35 and G 37 and cabin noise is one of the ways...

RiCharlie 09-27-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LunaZ (Post 1331202)
Having just mounted up a new set of tyres, I can say that there was definitely a lot of noise generated by the stock Potenzas that's not present with my new rubber.

What did you buy?

birdmanx1 09-27-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RiCharlie (Post 1331235)
I was surprised to find no sound deadening at all in the doors.. I did the hatch and got limited dampening....but the doors made the big difference.

Its fine now but I really, really like quiet in the car as I go on long drives and sometimes my wife or I want to nap in the passenger seat..so when the tires wear out I am switching to Continental Extreme contacts..i have asked enough people and there seems to be good reason to believe these will also reduce the noise..

I really have come to believe that Nissan did not add sound dampening because they want to differentiate this car from the G35 and G 37 and cabin noise is one of the ways...

I had positive results from doing the door & trunk area; there would have been even better results from doing the floor too but I didn't feel it was necessary.

Are you going to lose a bit on the performance side going with the continental Extreme contact? I have a set of Continental (not sure if it's the extreme ones) on my Altima and they do last a very long time.

shadoquad 09-27-2011 08:26 AM

I've noticed that tire condition and road type play a huge factor in cabin noise.

I recently replaced my rear tires. The car is a lot quieter.

While driving to/from Z Nationals in 2theextreme's car, there was a stretch of highway 20 where the road has an extremely rough surface. You can barely hear the passenger talking.

I'll likely never address the noise issue in my Z, but I can certainly see where people are coming from.

UNKNOWN_370 09-27-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 1331221)
Love the cabin noise in my Z! Makes me feel connected to the car.

I thought I was the only one. Rep point for you. Lol. :)

Guard Dad 09-27-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by birdmanx1 (Post 1331226)
In for pics when done :icon17: cool and cheap mod.

I should have seen this coming! Don't expect a six pack.

RandyD 09-27-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1331645)
I should have seen this coming! Don't expect a six pack.

go for the 'one-pack' - success! :ughdance:

Guard Dad 09-27-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 1331221)
Love the cabin noise in my Z! Makes me feel connected to the car.

I think a lot of the "cabin noise" controversy arrises from the intent of the driver. If you want an aggressive sports car that reinforces the sports car experience with every turn of the wheel the stock Z is your ticket. If you want a car that expresses it's aggressive side "on demand" a little sound deadener goes a long way.

birdmanx1 09-27-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1331645)
I should have seen this coming! Don't expect a six pack.

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Originally Posted by RandyD (Post 1331675)
go for the 'one-pack' - success! :ughdance:

That's simply awesome. One giant pack success :icon17:

Red__Zed 09-27-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1331677)
I think a lot of the "cabin noise" controversy arrises from the intent of the driver. If you want an aggressive sports car that reinforces the sports car experience with every turn of the wheel the stock Z is your ticket. If you want a car that expresses it's aggressive side "on demand" a little sound deadener goes a long way.

I think the beef is that it's not "good noise", ie, engine or exhaust. It actually downs out many decent exhaust setups.

Never bothered me, coming from a roadster, but leaving the car, I don't miss the white noise.

wheee! 09-27-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1331677)
I think a lot of the "cabin noise" controversy arrises from the intent of the driver. If you want an aggressive sports car that reinforces the sports car experience with every turn of the wheel the stock Z is your ticket. If you want a car that expresses it's aggressive side "on demand" a little sound deadener goes a long way.

I agree. I drive a Lincoln MKX (dd) with lots of sound deadening from the factory and it puts me to sleep....

The 370 makes me feel like a part of the car, that I am there to drive, not be driven!

UNKNOWN_370 09-27-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1331677)
I think a lot of the "cabin noise" controversy arrises from the intent of the driver. If you want an aggressive sports car that reinforces the sports car experience with every turn of the wheel the stock Z is your ticket. If you want a car that expresses it's aggressive side "on demand" a little sound deadener goes a long way.


Good point. :tiphat: My first Z was silver by the way. Beautiful color. Polymer waxes really make the color stand out a lot. After a wash and wax my silver baby (Zenobia) would shine so bright, I couldn't look directly at her from 12-5pm. Lol

GM's shine is pretty rugged. But silver was killer.

Sorry to go off topic. Just made a mention. :tup:

ChipsWithDips 09-27-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1331699)
I think the beef is that it's not "good noise", ie, engine or exhaust. It actually downs out many decent exhaust setups.

Never bothered me, coming from a roadster, but leaving the car, I don't miss the white noise.

Exactly. I'd rather my engine be louder than my tires. I'm not talking WOT, but pretty much anytime you are maintaining a constant speed on a road or highway, the tires are significantly louder than the engine. I'm used to shifting by ear and I often find my self forgetting to upshift since I can't even hear that my engine is cruising at 4k rpms. Though I'm sure this won't be an issue as soon as I put an exhaust put on this thing. :D

For that reason, the road noise kinda gets to me at times, but never so bad that I would add a bunch of dampening mats to the car(though I can certainly understand people that choose to do that). I plan to try to lighten my car as much as reasonably possible for a daily driver as I continue to modify my car, so that kinda goes against my philosophy.

wheee! 09-27-2011 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips (Post 1332328)
Exactly. I'd rather my engine be louder than my tires. I'm not talking WOT, but pretty much anytime you are maintaining a constant speed on a road or highway, the tires are significantly louder than the engine. I'm used to shifting by ear and I often find my self forgetting to upshift since I can't even hear that my engine is cruising at 4k rpms. Though I'm sure this won't be an issue as soon as I put an exhaust put on this thing. :D

For that reason, the road noise kinda gets to me at times, but never so bad that I would add a bunch of dampening mats to the car(though I can certainly understand people that choose to do that). I plan to try to lighten my car as much as reasonably possible for a daily driver as I continue to modify my car, so that kinda goes against my philosophy.

hmmm. Not a problem with the HKS exhaust and the Berk's! :tup:


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