^ Well, it does have something to do with the discussion, seeing how the two cars are being compared. I'll grant you that every instance is just that, an individual instance, and many factors are always at play, but I do not see how that is different from the factors that are at play when R&T does their tests. Simply offering another data point/result into the mix of the conversation.

just a couple of things like a 370Z and a Mustang. :tup:

As an enthusiast I like both. I have owned a 1967 Mustang fastback and loved it. This current version of the Mustang is really quite good.

I own a Mustang GT now, so I know of what the reviewer speaks of... the lack of low-end torque, the vagueness of the steering, the Peter the Rabbit hopping the back end does on uneven pavement...

All of this gives me confidence that I will be well-pleased with the 370z when I do get it. I want that sure handling, the steady torque, the wrap-around feel. I will happily sacrifice my extra two seats (hardly ever used) and trunk (okay, I use that, but I think I could do without) for a return to an uncompromising sports car.

It'll be like 1991 all over again for me (except with a better Z!)! :)

Of course the Z will win over Stang....

My question is, how will our Z will compete against new V-8 Camaro.

I think it will be about the same dealio, except the Camaro will probably be a bit faster in a straight line. Handling and interior quality/design should still be the province of the Z.

Mustang's new interior is nice; Challenger and the new Camaro, so-so.

Well I would consider the Z to be a full fledged sports car. 2 seats good amount of HP, great suspension. Designed with speed and handling in mind. Are there faster sports cars out there? Yes! At any rate the Z is a sports car and just because the Mustang has a back seat doesn't exclude it from being a sports car GT-R has back seats Spec-V GT-R doesn't both are sports cars Porsche 911 GT has backseats and is a sports car. The backseats aren't roomy like in a sedan but there backseats nonetheless and in a sports car. I think when Ford makes a new edition to the Mustang they don't say lets make a great cruiser they are making a muscle car/sports car that has back seats priced around $30k which is what they accomplish.

American Iron League??? steel workers or huh?? No I'm not surprised a solid rear axle isn't terrible...... but the point is this is a comparo and here are two cars, and for similar money (base+some option), one is far more compromised in it's design, producing far less capable on road behavior.

Who knows if the goal was to stay 'retro' or because Ford just cheaped out the car, but the bottom line is it's a compromised design no matter how fast it goes 0-60 or 0-100mph, when it comes to actually having to drive the car on other than a straight road (dragway), the difference is readily apparent, or so the story says.

Obviously the 'tang is what it is, with big discounts, a fairly decent wallet-friendly performance everyman's car.....and all optioned up or modded 3 ways from Sunday by a race shop, an original muscle car. Nevertheless it can't escape it's designers builtin DNA, which limits it's ultimate potential at birth....and the story readily shows that in so many ways.

I dont think its going to be same dealio as comparing to Rustang....

The new Camaro V-8 is going to be low 4 sec 0-60 car. I think it will easily walk on our Z in straight line.

And with very good looking exterior/interior while having same price range as ours, its going to be very tight competition....

By the way, did you guys know that the new Camaro will have Angel light available for sports package? it looks so sick....

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I guess again the point I was trying to make is the way I see it the Z is made to be a sports car plain and simple and the mustang is made to be basically an any car meaning it can be used in many areas so it lacks in ever area as well. and as far as escaping its designers built in DNA is pretty far off considering what all you can do and change. The aftermarket for the mustang is incredible and you are only limited by budget and your imagination. You cant tell me that a stang that has been made into a full fledged drag car that runs 6's all day long is limited by its original DNA, or that a full out modified for racing (agent 47 http://www.agentfortyseven.com/home.htmland or griggs racing http://www.griggsracing.com/) that i wouldn't be surprised if it could out handle any Z car that was bought from a dealer then modified for the track is limited by its "original DNA"

Having owed a 1973 Formula 400 Firebird, a 1976 50^th Anniversary Edition (black/gold) TransAm, a 1979 Black/Gold Edition TransAm and a 2000 Camaro Z/28 (all purchased new); I’ve had a bit of experience with pony cars.

As such, I’ve always found it a bit odd that magazines insist on comparing cars like the Z to Mustangs and Camaros and such…despite their similarities, they are really very different animals and comparing them just seems like more of an excuse to write a magazine article that it is to do any serious look at the vehicles in question.<o></o>

The new Camaro coming out, assuming it really does come out, should be a hell of a car…I may even buy one, but I just don’t see it as a vehicle that the Z should be compared to.

<o></o>At least that’s my $0.02 :)

THANK YOU!!! I agree totally and this was part of my argument.

People will still pit these cars against each other no matter what especially if they're in the same price range.

Oh I've no doubt they will...any magazine article comparing a Mustang or a Camaro to anything (especially a Japanese car) is a guaranteed bump in sales...it's like a radio talk show host talking about abortion or gun control...calls into the show are absolutely guaranteed! :)