6 speed manual without the clutch pedal
 

This would be pretty cool. Having a 6 speed manual but without a clutch. Would you get one if they did make them? I sure would. No flaming. Either way, I doubt there's enough people here so far to flame, :icon17:

they already had these my dad had a electronic clutch in his 69 mercedes

Oh wow, I never knew that...That sounds cool, is it fun to use?

My girlfriend had a oid VW Bug like that

Manual Trans = 3 pedals IMO

dunno i was a baby when he had it but he said u just press a button on the shift knob whn u want to shift

This is retarded imo...
Defeats the purpose of Manual.
This is basically a tectronic thing.

Your opinion.

I think you play too much arcade racing games where they have no clutch and manual operated gearbox. But seriously, its like the tipronic thing...but you get 7 speed instead of 6. More gears, baby!

Actually I never go to the arcade. I just get tried of shifting all the time, especially in traffic. At the same time, half the fun in manual is the shifting part. So I was thinking a manual without the clutch pedal would be fun.

Three letters: DCT (A.K.A. Dual Clutch Transmission)

my dads old vw karmen had it. it was terrible, go 6 speed clutch or go home

The early Porsche 912 also had a clutchless pedal manual transmission.

Yea, I never knew about them until I made the thread. :icon17:

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What's the difference between a clutchless 6MT and the 7AT? Seems pointless...

Do some research on the topic.

There are some very significant differences between the two if you are looking at it from an engineering and performance perspective.

An AT uses a torque converter. AT's have gotten better, but its still a slushbox by design.

A clutchless manual will still have a disc and pressure plate, along with some mechanism (usually hydraulic) to engage/disengage.

In addition, some of the clutchless units have dual discs and shafts, allowing gear selection to be staged, with a net effect of *very* fast shifting, far faster then an AT. VW has this.

Its not just a technology for Ferrari, Porsche (PDK), and BMW (SMG): VW has had it for a few years now. You can get it on a TDI even. I think Nissan
only uses it in the US on the GTR, and that transmission is complicated by
the AWD system and other factors, it won't see duty in a Z ever.

It remains to be seen over time if this trend will increase or not: initially there is added complexity and engineering that goes into it. Early units were not as smooth in stop/go traffic as a AT but that is getting better with each generation. Some think a true manual is going the way of the dodo.

In the US, I tend to agree with that based on sales numbers and the number of people who utterly cannot drive out there.

In a perfect world, it would be mandated that every car has a manual (a few exceptions of course)...this would drastically cut down on the narcissists with their cell phones while driving. People would still do it, but it would be far less. :D

- b

Thank you. The difference is the torque converter.

Yeap, My cousin had one like that back in the days, it was weird.

The last generation of the Toyota MR2 had an optional clutchless 6 speed.

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TOO SOON!

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A DCT with launch control would be the same thing.