Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 753407)

I agree with Cossie1600 100%.

I do not have the ability to read the hearts and minds of men, like a deity, and Jeffblue. It must be wonderful. Then to draw an irrational and emotional conclusion makes me think you are my mother in-law. So i'll just ask, are you she? Although I do agree with Jeffblue, one should not daily drift to the store, as an opinion.

I live on a steep mountain and with VDC on, it lights up, and activates the tugging and pulling of the brakes needlessly, with great frequency the entire ride downhill. With VDC off, the same drive at the same speed, the California Highway Patrol behind me, not one peep out of the tires, no loss of traction, and I am still under the speed limit. Your conclusion I am driving like an *** and I am cheap. The CHP clearly drew a different conclusion about the former.

Regarding cheapness: I worked my way through University and educated myself before I bought an expensive car. This education including critical thinking and logic. Wether or not you went to college or not, it is obvious you do not think logically. Aristotle would agree with me. So if needed sell your car, and educate yourself before you jump to a one size fits all chastisement. It is worth it, just to avoid embarrassing gaffs like the one you made.

I am very surprised that others agree with your statement: You shouldn't be losing traction very often if you are driving safely and are conscious of other people on the road.
How often, is very often, in your opinion to lose traction, safely? Clearly you have a number or frequency in mind that it is safe. A few times a day, once a day, once a week. What have you determined so that we are illuminated to your mind set. Many, myself included, would argue safety dictates no loss of traction ever.

Originally Posted by memorylasts (Post 754125)

Who are you addressing?

Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 754138)

I think this thread is done!!

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 753411)

I know my Prius won't cut power in tight corners or when I need to go WOT. The VDC on the Z cars love to cut throttle or apply brakes in random moments. It's easy for me to activate the VDC doing a 5mph tight turn into my private road. A good system should only intrude when you need it, not at random moments.

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 754054)

i went to college. i bought my own Z. i am very logical. I dont see the need for these stupid VDC threads. did you really mention 'aristotle' in a thread about traction control.... i mean, really?

Originally Posted by Carno (Post 754162)

I'm not sure I understand your tirade. Is there any other time, besides driving on a hill, that VDC impairs your driving?

Personally I don't understand the VDC hate, but I don't normally drive in such a way that would cause VDC to turn on. Is it impossible for some people drive in a manner that precludes VDC from activating? I don't get it. So far it seems like the only valid reasons for not having VDC on are when you're driving downhill and when on a track.

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 754317)

Had you taken critical thinking you would know that Aristotle and his teachings of logic, are taught in every introductory critical thinking course. I realize you do not need these stupid VDC threads. Apparently you do need to comment within them, and belittle others. Simply defend your rationale and name calling or please do not do it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 754344)

Almost all my driving is done up and downhill winding the entire way. To some this automatically makes me an *** and cheap. Instead of going to work and back home again.
Hate is too strong for the VDC. In the rain it is fine. What I hate is forgetting to turn it off. This is a personal decision. Everyone should be free to drive with the VDC in the position in which they are most comfortable without criticism.