Stock 370Z Ever run a 6-speed LS1 car?
 

Just curious which one pulled on the street? I used to have a 2001 WS6 6-speed and wonder if IN ACCELERATION the 370 is a step up or not?

The fastest time I see for an LS1 Trans Am was the 2000 WS6. 0-60 in 4.9 and the quarter in 13.5. Fastest I've seen for 370Z is 4.6 and 13.1.

This isn't a direct race between the two obviously but the best mag tested times which should give a decent indication of the comparable speed.

Eh, mag times are worthless. My friend ran a 12.9 in his stock '98, and I have seen several mag articles where Z28's ran 12.8's.

I raced 2 different 2010 Camaro SS 6-speed cars numerous times and from 60-130 and 55-110 (different conditions for the 2 cars I ran) my 2001 was dead-even with both. Magazine numbers would have you think my 2001 would have gotten stomped with all those supposed "110+" trap speeds those 2010 SS's are laying down.

I am interested in a real-world occurance.

Cars I ran in the real world:

Automatic LS1 Z28 with headers, lid, gears (edged me out by a fender from highway punch to 110 or so. If my fatass gf hadn't been in the car I coulda had him I think. Every 100# is 10whp!)

C5 'vettes (always even)

Challenger R/T (slaughtered it)

2010 Mustang GT (slaughtered it)

Z4 ///M (close race, but I out-powered the much better driven car, That girl p'owned me at shifting, but was PISSED at the outcome)

996 911 Carrera (Edged it out even in the wrong gear. 4th gear at 60 and I still walked that dog.)

SO yeah, magazine numbers don't mean much to me, I want to know what happens in the real world when the two meet. I sold my WS6 before I got a chance to run one, but being as I killed a 265whp 350Z 6-speed, I figure the 370 isn't as fast as the car I just got rid of.

The reason it matters is I am warring with a C6Z and a 370Z. yeah, I know they are 2 different cars, but they carry 2 differnt types of car-notes. If the 370Z is out there stomping all over LS1 cars, I might re-think my draw to the C6Z, I doubt it, but I figured I would ask as I never got a chance to see for myself.

What amazes me is all the magazine times saying the 400+hp mustang GT is slower than the Camaro Ss past 100mph when my LS1 was killing the 300hp GT's by only a couple of cars after 100 and is dead-even with the Camaro SS. See what I mean about magazine racing? 100whp is worth only 1-2 cars if I want to mag-race.

As much as it sucks mag times are the most consistent thing we have to compare vehicles. In the real world there are thousands of factors involved. You may walk someone today and tomorrow get beat by the same vehicle. You have temperature, tire inflation, warmth of the engine, state of the tires, and so many others.

Note: Street racing is not condoned or to be talked about on this forum. I'm sure all your races were at tracks, ;) but just thought I would let you know.

They were. We have a 20-mile long track that is used specifically for testing cars from a highway speed punch here. So much safer than the street.

Problem with mag-times is they don't often mirror what happens in the real world. My WS6 was a bit of a freak in the real world, but I took it to the strip (scared of blowing the rear-end) and cut some 2.35 60's and ran only 14.01XX@102.9. Yet I was killing NSX's and Z4M's from a 70 punch. Daed-even with cars that trap 110+ (Camaro SS, 2010)

A problem I had at the strip was the 3/4 shift. 3rd gear with the tires I was running ran out and hit the rev limiter at around 102mph. That sucked for trap speed big-time. I either short-shifted, or banged the rev-limiter. So teh time my car ran at the strip was NOT indicative of the street. However, between the 1/8 and 1/4 mile, my speed increased pretty hardcore, equal/better than the F-bodies running 13.2@106+. I think THAT is the true indicator of how a car will do in a roll-on. It eliminates tires/launch/gearing and focuses on power under the curve through the gears. From a dig--well, that's anyone's game. Total driver race.

it all depends from what mph you pull at, but yes the 370z will keep with a WS6.

a 30 pull and the WS6 by half a length
a 40 pull and the 370z should win, the way the ws6 is geared 40-55 is a weird power zone to downshift into

ImportConvert, I completely agree about magazine statistics. I mean, sure we all pay them some form of heed. But realistically, for the average consumer, achieving a perfect 4.8 second launch or whatever is not going to happen in this car. Conditions have to be perfect. And race track times fall under this as well. If you track your Z, then you pay attn to track times, fair enough. If not, who cares how long it takes a professional driver on a closed course to lap it in some balls-out run? Plus, any and every race, as you've pointed out, comes down to the driver in the end.

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Personal experience? Have you owned a LS1/T56 car? I never found that it had a dead zone. At no speed could I tell a difference. If a car beat me (rare), it beat me at any speed. If I beat it, nothing was going to save it except me blowing the launch. The automatics had a dead-zone, and I used to have an auto LT1. It was horrible.

Just the facts.

I ran a 13.3 in 01 ws6 fwiw.

Identical to what people around where I live are getting in them. 13.1-13.4 is what the automatics normally run here. A WELL driven stick can nip 12's. I ran 14.0-14.1's@101-102 scared to death of blowing the rear-end again and cutting 2.35-2.4 60's granny shifting, lol. With a 2.1 (easy to do on stock tires if you are aggressive. Pulled a 2.15 on my 5.0 GT with junk Cooper tires on it my first time to the track, lol) that translates into a 13.4 granny shifting.

Yeah, I drove a stick and always spun a little on the launch, but I shifted fairly well.

Although, I should say that it was EASY to break into the 12s with just a couple cheap mods.

My times came from launching at 800 rpm and granny-shifting. I was scared to DEATH! of that 4-cylinder rear-end GM used. I blew it once just backing out of the driveway. Didn't want to blow it up 50 miles from home at the strip.

That is a paper number, a better way of writing it is for every 100lbs you take off, you take off X time on the track. Also, it depends on where the weight is taken and how it balances the car.

11's were just $2500 away in an F-body. $1800 or so if a friend would loan you some ET's to bolt up.

I could have easily rolled on a car that I only had a fender on if the heiffer wasn't with me. THAT is a fact. No paper involved.

But again, that is not a hp gain, but a time reduction. HP gain is hard to measure from weight lose, the proper way of doing it is you ran a faster time.

It was the difference between victory and defeat. Much more resounding than "time reduction" or "hp gain".

yeah personal experience, it was dead even. my 370z was stock and the ws6 had exhaust

6-speed or auto Ws6?

Sounds like how the 2 cars felt comparatively when I test-drove the Z.

What kind of exhaust are we talking on the WS6?

ImportConvert, it looks like your last thread got closed because it was apparent that you were content to just ramble on defending your F-Body cars and pointing out the flaws of the 370Z (which we are well aware of as most of us own one.) I understand, you love the F-Body vehicles and won't be owning a 370 anytime soon. So what is the point of these conversations continuing? If you want to argue with someone over why they beat an F-Body take it to PM.

Somebody close this thing down.

it was a 6 speed ws6 with SLP exhaust i think, i raced him thinking it was a regular 5.7 but after the race he told me it was a ws6

Good race. The WS6/SS/Z28/Trans Am all run the same times at the track. The only *real* difference anyone can claim is that the SS/WS6 automatics get the 3.23 rear-end standard instead of optional. They all make 350 horsepower, same as the C5 corvette of equivalent year. The 305/325/etc. is just marketing.

Again, this goes to prove what I thought all along about Torque. If you can drive and are geared properly, it really doesn't matter.

No, I do not love F-bodies. I traded my F-body for a 4-cylinder Infiniti. Hate the cars. However, I wanted to know if buying a Z would be a trade up in performance or not. It appears that mainly I would be gaining quality/luxury and breaking even with performance. You are right, though. I don't want to have another mid 300bhp car. I am ready for a bit more. Nothing against the Z, though. I drove a few, rode in a few. Nothing bad to say about it other than it is working with a late 90's engine. It needs a late 2000's engine.

Was not arguing with the man about his races at all. He didn't claim to beat it, he claimed to be equal with it. I can belive that. I barely walked a 265whp 350 in my WS6. Slow 2-car pull to 120 or so. If his 370 is a stronger one making 280 or so, yeah, sounds about right given my experience. I do think the Z has a much more effectively geared transmission, though. The double overdrive kills the LS1 cars after about 130. The Z can keep on going in the meat of its powerband.

Ok guys I own a 97 WS6 with a manual, ordered it in late 96. It now has 45K well cared for miles. My 09 370 represents a complete change in respect to my past. The Z is superior to my Trans Am in every aspect except for torque,
the gearbox and that V8 sound. I love compairing and contrasting both cars and it a priviledge to own and drive both, as for which one is faster, I'm not sure, there both so different in the way they execute.

:iagree: Your exactly right. I have competed with them and won a few and lost a few. I have a 67 camaro with a big blue bottle in the trunk to deal with those. I just wanted a different pace from the drag strip with a nice high performance car that is alot of fun to drive. Im also sure the resale value will be alot better as well with my nismo.