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cab83_750 09-06-2010 01:57 PM

Cost per HP gained? 0-60 reduction per HP?
 
Has anyone compiled the cost per HP (Total Cost $$$ divided by HP gained)?

How about reduction in 0-60 mph? Say you gained 20HP, how many fraction of a second did we gain/lose?

JoeZ 09-06-2010 04:05 PM

Good idea

alvinmathew88 09-06-2010 09:04 PM

Just something you might want to consider... Say that you have an intake and it adds 18whp, and then you have an exhaust that adds another 8whp on top of the 18whp. But say if you did the exhaust first, the dyno would register 20whp and downplays the intake to 6whp. So you might want to consider that when you calculate the whole cost per HP gained. So doing a total price divided by total whp might make more sense than doing individual piece calculation. Hopefully this makes sense... Unless im talking complete B.S., just ignore my post.

FuszNissan 09-06-2010 09:16 PM

Yep

cab83_750 09-06-2010 09:55 PM

That's what I am pursuing. Total as opposed to individual

at the end of the day, what is important to me would be the 0-60 reduction.

klubbheads 09-07-2010 03:39 PM

wgaf about 0-60 times....:wtf2:

kenchan 09-07-2010 03:42 PM

100lbs loss for every 0.5sec improvement... typically.

Modshack 09-07-2010 03:48 PM

There are plenty of calculators on the web to determine performance Vs HP or weight. Do a search. You'll find that lots of $$ rarely makes a big difference (unless the dollars are in a bushel basket)...:tup:

Horseface 09-07-2010 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 711185)
100lbs loss for every 0.5sec improvement... typically.

And a better diet would probably get people the most gains in this respect...

:ughdance:

kenchan 09-07-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Horseface (Post 711311)
And a better diet would probably get people the most gains in this respect...

:ughdance:

yes, and it would be free too. :rofl2:

shadoquad 09-07-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 711317)
yes, and it would be free too. :rofl2:

Are you kidding? Have you seen the cost of eating healthy these days?! :roflpuke2:

Zsteve 09-07-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 711321)
Are you kidding? Have you seen the cost of eating healthy these days?! :roflpuke2:

Who said "healthy" just dont eat and only drink. And Im not talking watter either. Or you could always go on a drug diet and stay skinny that way but the the cost per hp would go sky high.

shadoquad 09-07-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 711388)
Who said "healthy"

touche :tup:

6spd 09-07-2010 06:35 PM

i think 0-60 times are meant more for magazine entertainment than anything else. i can think of a hundred different, better ways to calculate value per dollar, and sinking $$ into a car is not one of them, hehe!

Zsteve 09-07-2010 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 711466)
i think 0-60 times are meant more for magazine entertainment than anything else. i can think of a hundred different, better ways to calculate value per dollar, and sinking $$ into a car is not one of them, hehe!

to each his own. I have friends that spend money in ways I never would and they wouldnt spend money on things I do.

6spd 09-07-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 711733)
to each his own. I have friends that spend money in ways I never would and they wouldnt spend money on things I do.

totally right, to each his own.

Lug 09-08-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 711185)
100lbs loss for every 0.5sec improvement... typically.

Actually a lot closer to .1 sec per 100 lbs in the power weight range.

Online calculator:

0-60 mph Calculator - 060calculator.com

WarmAndSCSI 09-08-2010 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lug (Post 712536)
Actually a lot closer to .1 sec per 100 lbs in the power weight range.

Online calculator:

0-60 mph Calculator - 060calculator.com

I think he was talking about quarter mile performance... which is certainly more relevant lol

Lug 09-08-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 712539)
I think he was talking about quarter mile performance... which is certainly more relevant lol

Not according to the title of the thread. :D Plus, the quarter mile number diff is also far closer to .1 than .5 sec. Here, try it for yourself.

1/4 Mile ET Calculator

WarmAndSCSI 09-08-2010 02:30 PM

This thread is asinine and retarded. /thread

cab83_750 09-08-2010 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 712766)
This thread is asinine and retarded. /thread


:) :happydance:

For some of us, we would like to know what other benefits we get IN ADDITION TO additional horsepower.

6spd 09-08-2010 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 712766)
This thread is asinine and retarded. /thread

i give this thread a one and her asinine!

WarmAndSCSI 09-08-2010 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cab83_750 (Post 713216)
:) :happydance:

For some of us, we would like to know what other benefits we get IN ADDITION TO additional horsepower.

Yes, and that's reasonable, except it's not exactly a deterministic outcome.

It's so unpredictable, that it's not even funny.

Point in case. My 550 WHP FWD piece of junk could only pull a 4.3 sec 0-60 in its prime, even with impeccable driving. It's hard to predict 0-60 performance.

Besides, if you actually line up two cars that run relatively disparate 0-60 times (let's say 5 sec 0-60 vs. 6 sec 0-60), the distance that separates them really isn't that great or even noticeable until you hit higher speeds.

6spd 09-08-2010 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 713250)
Besides, if you actually line up two cars that run relatively disparate 0-60 times (let's say 5 sec 0-60 vs. 6 sec 0-60), the distance that separates them really isn't that great or even noticeable until you hit higher speeds.

absolutely. the difference, visually, between a civic and a civic si is minimal, just like the difference between a 370z and a gtr is minimal. only after a distance greater than that covered up to 60 mph will there be a distinct difference.

cab83_750 09-08-2010 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 713250)
Yes, and that's reasonable, except it's not exactly a deterministic outcome.

It's so unpredictable, that it's not even funny.

Point in case. My 550 WHP FWD piece of junk could only pull a 4.3 sec 0-60 in its prime, even with impeccable driving. It's hard to predict 0-60 performance.

Besides, if you actually line up two cars that run relatively disparate 0-60 times (let's say 5 sec 0-60 vs. 6 sec 0-60), the distance that separates them really isn't that great or even noticeable until you hit higher speeds.

With all due respect, and I didn't mean to be funny:

Say I buy a bone stock Z, I put a twin turbo, raising the HP to say 500hp, with all $8000+ upgrades, what tangible and measurable benefits do I tell to justify my expenditures?

6spd 09-08-2010 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cab83_750 (Post 713316)
With all due respect, and I didn't mean to be funny:

Say I buy a bone stock Z, I put a twin turbo, raising the HP to say 500hp, with all $8000+ upgrades, what tangible and measurable benefits do I tell to justify my expenditures?

tangible, well, if you get a thrill out of racing/speed/acceleration/noise/etc than that is the "tangible" gain. There is little more than that really. Many do it for respect, many do it for pleasure or as a hobby. Only you can answer why you do it, or want to do it.

WarmAndSCSI 09-09-2010 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 713538)
tangible, well, if you get a thrill out of racing/speed/acceleration/noise/etc than that is the "tangible" gain. There is little more than that really. Many do it for respect, many do it for pleasure or as a hobby. Only you can answer why you do it, or want to do it.

x2

Personally, since I insist on working on and tuning my own cars exclusively, it is the sense of accomplishment after going from power level A to power level B on my own effort and skill alone. That's the only reason dyno numbers even matter to me (well, unless I happen to be setting a record :bowrofl:).

Track times are nice to track your progress as well. Definitely a good before and after, and they can definitely net you some bragging rights.

But the biggest component for me is the adrenaline-pumping experience that ensues when you press the loud pedal on your project car. And the noise... ah yes.

6spd 09-09-2010 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 713656)
x2

Personally, since I insist on working on and tuning my own cars exclusively, it is the sense of accomplishment after going from power level A to power level B on my own effort and skill alone. That's the only reason dyno numbers even matter to me (well, unless I happen to be setting a record :bowrofl:).

Track times are nice to track your progress as well. Definitely a good before and after, and they can definitely net you some bragging rights.

But the biggest component for me is the adrenaline-pumping experience that ensues when you press the loud pedal on your project car. And the noise... ah yes.

the sound of my car amazes me every time i drive it, and i dont expect that to change anytime soon! thats one of the biggest reasons i mod my cars.

kenchan 09-09-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lug (Post 712536)
Actually a lot closer to .1 sec per 100 lbs in the power weight range.

Online calculator:

0-60 mph Calculator - 060calculator.com

yah, i posted wrong. i meant to type 0.1sec per 100lbs... not 0.5sec.

200lbs is not going to net you 1full sec of improvement. lol that would be too easy for them. :icon17:

Lug 09-09-2010 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 714547)
yah, i posted wrong. i meant to type 0.1sec per 100lbs... not 0.5sec.

200lbs is not going to net you 1full sec of improvement.

If it did, I'd finally have enough real motivation to shrink down my big fat ***!

Zsteve 09-09-2010 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lug (Post 714677)
If it did, I'd finally have enough real motivation to shrink down my big fat ***!

you and me both.

mrrrkva 09-09-2010 11:32 PM

LETS just get down to the QUESTION!!!
 
Ok, The Million $$ question SIMPLY stated!!! Lets name the BEST bang for your buck in order!!!!!! 1-10. What are the CHEAPEST things we can do to our Z to gain HP!!!

Zsteve 09-09-2010 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrrrkva (Post 715128)
Ok, The Million $$ question SIMPLY stated!!! Lets name the BEST bang for your buck in order!!!!!! 1-10. What are the CHEAPEST things we can do to our Z to gain HP!!!

diet

6spd 09-10-2010 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrrrkva (Post 715128)
Ok, The Million $$ question SIMPLY stated!!! Lets name the BEST bang for your buck in order!!!!!! 1-10. What are the CHEAPEST things we can do to our Z to gain HP!!!

sell it and buy a camaro ss...:confused:

wilsonp 09-10-2010 05:21 PM

Some guesses:

1. K&N Drop-ins $80/5HP = $16 / HP
2. Berk HFC $550/15HP = $36.66 / HP

Zsteve 09-10-2010 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 716117)
sell it and buy a camaro ss...:confused:

might as well get the base vette and get way more power for the same engine

6spd 09-10-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 716168)
might as well get the base vette and get way more power for the same engine

or this!


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