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nismo42 08-27-2010 10:23 AM

the next gen z
 
I know most of this is old news by now, but still a decent read...to be honest im a little bit worried for the future of the car.

Nissan's Next Z at Powertrain Crossroads

spearfish25 08-27-2010 10:42 AM

If they plan to drop power like that, they better figure out how to shave weight off the Z. Our cars are fat pigs.

Jordo! 08-27-2010 10:57 AM

Hmm. They could possibly go the FT-86 route and get the weight down to sub 3K lbs or they could bring a turbo into the equation I suppose...

Actually, a diesel-hybrid motor + turbo could make great power and have great gas mileage. Tuned right, boost could come on late (preserving MPG under normal driving) and the car would still feel torquey thanks to the electric motor doing the lowspeed grunt work.

antman22 08-27-2010 10:59 AM

amg 6.3L v8 please. that's really the only one i want in the Z.

Jordo! 08-27-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by antman22 (Post 696854)
amg 6.3L v8 please. that's really the only one i want in the Z.

That would be badass too :tup:

ClemsonWill 08-27-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 696858)
That would be badass too :tup:

:iagree: I just drove a C63 the other day. Very nice car! :tup:

I'm not feeling the hybrid turbo idea though.

nismo42 08-27-2010 11:59 AM

in terms of power i kinda feel like the z is stuck...If they add a decent amount of power to comepete with the new 5.0 and other cars, there is only so much they can do..think about it..if the z came with 400 or so hp who would buy a gtr...in gtr news i saw that the refresh is coming in 2012...500hp and other new things.

FricFrac 08-27-2010 12:13 PM

I predict the VQ38TT will trickle down from the GT-R to the Z..... you heard it here first :P

Cmike2780 08-27-2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 696955)
I predict the VQ38TT will trickle down from the GT-R to the Z..... you heard it here first :P

I like that idea better. Maybe they bump the GTR with a V8. With no plans for changes to the Z until 2014 or later, it certainly seems possible. Althogh an NA variant is more likely.

OrderXsoL 08-27-2010 03:44 PM

Merc's 3.5? Hell no. Why not BMW's turbocharged 3.0? :P

fullmonty 08-27-2010 04:05 PM

I'm still suprised they are going to make another gen. Z

fullmonty 08-27-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OrderXsoL (Post 697295)
Merc's 3.5? Hell no. Why not BMW's turbocharged 3.0? :P

Because Nissan doesn't have an association to BMW?

shadoquad 08-27-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty (Post 697337)
I'm still suprised they are going to make another gen. Z

Yeah, we won't need one after 2012 Mayan Apocalypse zomg.

Lug 08-27-2010 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 696955)
I predict the VQ38TT will trickle down from the GT-R to the Z..... you heard it here first :P

This would be ideal. They will want to move the GTR up the ladder to keep it's dominance anyway. You know Porsche is gunning for them and the 3.8 work is already done. Detuning a bit and mass producing will bring costs down. A turbo and non-turbo model will let them hit price targets.

antman22 08-27-2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrderXsoL (Post 697295)
Merc's 3.5? Hell no. Why not BMW's turbocharged 3.0? :P

because they dont want a flood of people coming in to get their fuel pump and injectors replaced once a year under warranty lol.

daleks 08-27-2010 04:29 PM

V8's and TT's? Yeah, I don't think so. We're in the second malaise era if you hadn't noticed. HP won't increase unless MPG increases accordingly. CAFE requirements are becoming loftier and will override the incredible HP advances (engine efficiency) we've seen in recent (10-15) years. I suspect we'll see cars with better power-to-weight ratios though as more money is put into materials rather than grunt.

nismo42 08-27-2010 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrderXsoL (Post 697295)
Merc's 3.5? Hell no. Why not BMW's turbocharged 3.0? :P

we already make more power than it and we are N/A...although think of the tuning possibilitys

optiontrader 08-27-2010 09:55 PM

I just can't get myself to accept a hybrid powertrain in the Z. The initial battery torque is there, but the combustion engine will probably be smaller than what's in there now.

The VQ38TT is an interesting option, converted to mass production and detuned somewhat.

I do expect direct gas injection to also appear here - I'm surprised Nissan hasn't offered it (except in the Infiniti M56 right now). It was my one reservation on getting the Z in 2010.

By the time this comes about, the warranty will be close to expiring, and I'll be looking to wrench in a couple of turbos. :driving:

Lug 08-28-2010 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daleks (Post 697388)
V8's and TT's? Yeah, I don't think so. We're in the second malaise era if you hadn't noticed. HP won't increase unless MPG increases accordingly. CAFE requirements are becoming loftier and will override the incredible HP advances (engine efficiency) we've seen in recent (10-15) years. I suspect we'll see cars with better power-to-weight ratios though as more money is put into materials rather than grunt.

Nissan has done TT's in the Z before and if we are in a second malaise era, none bothered to tell Nissan, Ford, Chevy, Chysler, BMW, or many other companies currently push the most HP in their history on mid model sports cars. :D


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