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PapoZalsa 07-14-2010 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 624516)
Wait until you talk to the dealer. In person -- with your signed purchase receipt. Use the threat of the BBB as a last choice solution. Try in good faith to resolve this with the dealer in person before you do much anything else. A phone call is OK, but an in person visit with all the documentation will prove much more effective.

They already told him " I see you in court". Did the dealer try to resolve the issue in good faith, NO! What type of customer service is that?

zZSoCalZz 07-14-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 624589)
They already told him " I see you in court". What type of customer service is that?

Yeah it's a threat not a way to try to resolve an issue.

Xan 07-14-2010 09:00 PM

Just make sure you don't go down there and hand them your only copy of your evidence.
Because that could be the last time you'll see those papers.
Make copies and only hand them a copy...

Zaggeron 07-14-2010 09:04 PM

a couple of phone calls with the credit collection department of a given dealership is not necessarily representative of the dealer in general. On the phone she can't tell what the hell is going on ... somebody either told her or wrote it down somewhere that you owe the money -- you say you don't. This is a dead end. I think you should go down to the dealership and talk to the manager. Show him your purchase papers. Have him tell you the name of the salesman who sold you the car and the finance employee you closed the deal with. Assume it was an honest mistake. Ask the manager to help straighten it out. If at some point the manager says "sorry, we can't help you. You owe the money". Then the negotiation has ended and you pursue other options.

junior_jam 07-14-2010 09:04 PM

In addition to the BBB, contact your state Attorney General's office. They have plenty of employees in place who deal with stuff like this all the time.

Zaggeron 07-14-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan (Post 624619)
Just make sure you don't go down there and hand them your only copy of your evidence.
Because that could be the last time you'll see those papers.
Make copies and only hand them a copy...

Good advice. Actually, it probably wouldn't matter since any claim against the original poster would have to include proof that he bought the vehicle from the dealer -- the very same proof the OP is offering would already be offered as the only evidence he owes the money. They obviously wouldn't take it to court which is why it is so important to get it taken care of

rmorrow 07-14-2010 09:15 PM

You might want to consider engaging a better attorney. You have a fully executed purchase contract that shows you made a $1,000 down payment. A good attorney would initiate discovery and subpoena their records if necessary, including all bank deposits. The attorney would also subpoena their policies/procedures for processing cash down payments, including posting the payments to the correct accounts and making the deposits. As far as hitting your credit, the last thing that they want to do is violate the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). Although businesses do not want excessive complaints posted through the BBB, the BBB does not have much if any clout in dispute resolution. Being a member of the BBB is more of a business marketing tool than anything else. Either they have very poor bookkeeping procedures, or they have a dishonest employee who pocketed the cash rather than turning it over for deposit.

Zaggeron 07-14-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rmorrow (Post 624648)
You might want to consider engaging a better attorney. You have a fully executed purchase contract that shows you made a $1,000 down payment. A good attorney would initiate discovery and subpoena their records if necessary, including all bank deposits. The attorney would also subpoena their policies/procedures for processing cash down payments, including posting the payments to the correct accounts and making the deposits. As far as hitting your credit, the last thing that they want to do is violate the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). Although businesses do not want excessive complaints posted through the BBB, the BBB does not have much if any clout in dispute resolution. Being a member of the BBB is more of a business marketing tool than anything else. Either they have very poor bookkeeping procedures, or they have a dishonest employee who pocketed the cash rather than turning it over for deposit.

I agree. Any you explain his position very clearly. But I still think he should try and talk to the dealership in person before expending anything more than gas and time it takes to get there.

rmorrow 07-14-2010 09:35 PM

I agree with making a trip to the dealership first, to try to get this issue worked out. My post was the next step if a visit with the General Manager of the dealership does not resolve it.

Zaggeron 07-14-2010 09:50 PM

:tup:

zZSoCalZz 07-15-2010 12:08 PM

So I called them to see if I can go in there and show them my contract... This is what they said.

Me: I want to stop by and show you my contract.
Dealer: The contract means nothing if you don't have a "paper" receipt.
Me: So you're saying it's pointless for me to come in?
Dealer: Our records indicate not receiving the down payment so if you want to come in, come in with the money.
Me: So you believe your employee's word over mine?
Dealer: I didn't say that.

I pretty much hung up after that because I didn't want to say anything stupid.
Filed complaint on BBB and e-mailed the necessary people. I'll keep you guys posted.

dope 07-15-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 624626)
a couple of phone calls with the credit collection department of a given dealership is not necessarily representative of the dealer in general. On the phone she can't tell what the hell is going on ... somebody either told her or wrote it down somewhere that you owe the money -- you say you don't. This is a dead end. I think you should go down to the dealership and talk to the manager. Show him your purchase papers. Have him tell you the name of the salesman who sold you the car and the finance employee you closed the deal with. Assume it was an honest mistake. Ask the manager to help straighten it out. If at some point the manager says "sorry, we can't help you. You owe the money". Then the negotiation has ended and you pursue other options.

Just want to add to this point. From my experience, collection agencies don't really care if whoever they're collecting for is wrong or not. Their goal is to just get the money and that's it. You'd have to talk to the dealership and get things resolved with them to have the collection agency off your back.

Zaggeron 07-15-2010 12:26 PM

It hasn't actually gone to collection yet, his conversation was with the dealer's collection department, but I agree in general.

OP, if you were talking to the GM on the phone, it sounds like they are a lousy dealership. Did he offer up any proof you owe the money? On the face of it, as others have suggested, the fact that you have the car, financing, and an executed contract that shows you paid a $1000 down payment puts the burden of proof on the dealership to show that some portion of the contract that you were responsible for was not satisfied -- Do they have a signed promissory note for the $1000 dollars that you have no proof was paid?

Kyle@STILLEN 07-15-2010 12:34 PM

You might still want to go down with the contract showing a $1,000.00 cash deposit was made and explain that, that is your receipt.

Also, call me paranoid, I wouldn't drive down there in your Z. Have a friend or family member give you a ride...

FuszNissan 07-15-2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 625615)
You might still want to go down with the contract showing a $1,000.00 cash deposit was made and explain that, that is your receipt.

Also, call me paranoid, I wouldn't drive down there in your Z. Have a friend or family member give you a ride...

+1 , they may try and take it back or box you in.........not sure where I have seen this before:rolleyes:


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