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Red__Zed 12-01-2013 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2589503)
You know why it's not catching on, because manual is a dying breed
That may be part of it, but it's not like SRM is something the world is clamoring for.

Cell 12-01-2013 10:07 AM
NVM... can delete post.

DEpointfive0 12-01-2013 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2589954)
That may be part of it, but it's not like SRM is something the world is clamoring for.
Well, I agree that the world doesn't know it's there because Nissan sucks at press releases, and the world doesn't care because manuals are dying off

onzedge 12-01-2013 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 2589951)
While true, and I am part of that breed, I'm not dead yet.

The C7 is a temptress.
:iagree:

DLSTR 12-01-2013 11:59 AM
Love the feature and makes our cars unique!!

Z_ealot 12-01-2013 12:08 PM
I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me to believe otherwise...Ford is actually manufacturing more manuals lately as a result according to the article I read

Red__Zed 12-01-2013 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 2590030)
I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me to believe otherwise...Ford is actually manufacturing more manuals lately as a result according to the article I read
Enthusiasts will continue to opt for manuals well into the future. It's not dying quite as quickly as many seem to think.

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2589998)
Well, I agree that the world doesn't know it's there because Nissan sucks at press releases, and the world doesn't care because manuals are dying off
It's not a big deal in the Vette either. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Rangerz 12-01-2013 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 546779)

So, why do you think Nissan is still the sole company with an SRM manual?
the new vette has rev match I think.

kfull 12-01-2013 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rangerz (Post 2590092)
the new vette has rev match I think.
^^yep, true

Elan 12-01-2013 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by iErick1284 (Post 2589749)
The C7 has that feature as well
Yes and many magazines reviewing it kept referencing the 370Z during thier C7 tests with it on!

Still SRM will stay off cause downshifting is half the fun of manual driving. Only time it comes on is bumper to bumper traffic going in and out of 1st and 2nd.

StangerGT 12-01-2013 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2590070)
It's not a big deal in the Vette either. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
:iagree:

Part of driving manual... is that its manual. Automatic rev matching is just another electro-gizmo that takes away from doing it yourself.

efficiency doesn't always equal fun

Jordo! 12-01-2013 02:42 PM
Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...

Red__Zed 12-01-2013 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2590147)
Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...
For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.

Red__Zed 12-01-2013 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rangerz (Post 2590092)
the new vette has rev match I think.
you are quoting a post from 2010.

alcheng 12-01-2013 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 546779)
I was just pondering a bit this morning why SRM (syncro rev-match) never really caught on with the rest of the industry. Many times a new technology is quickly adopted by numerous manufacturers at once. Dual-clutch auto transmissions, collision avoiding cruise control, cooled front seats...but not SRM.

While I love my SRM and use it almost 100% of the time, it's surely not a necessity. But then neither are those other technologies mentioned above. I suppose one could argue that the 6 speed manual is going out of favor rather quickly these days, and investing more money in it is a waste of resources. However, plenty of purists still buy their supercars with manual transmissions. I can easily see some 6MT Audi R8 owner paying an additional $3,500 for a 'shift-matching' option in their Technology Package.

So, why do you think Nissan is still the sole company with an SRM manual?
OP, you said it, " it's surely not a necessity", then why waste money putting it in the car, rather put a dual clutch instead.. :icon17:

also, learn how to master the heel-toe technique, you'll find the SRM is useless and heel-toe is MUCH MORE FUN..!!! :icon17:

Jordo! 12-01-2013 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2590169)
For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.
10 years could be construed as "many" :p

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.

Red__Zed 12-01-2013 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2590199)
10 years could be construed as "many" :p

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.
My point was that SRM isn't on manuals because there is little demand for SRM, not because the manual is "dead." If it had 10 years left (I'd guess it keeps going beyond that) it would still be well worth implementing a shift-matching technology...provided there was demand for something like that.

StangerGT 12-01-2013 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2590147)
Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...
There will always be a demand for manuals in communities like Jeeps/Mustangs/etc. People enjoy them because they are fun, not because they are sourced from some F1 team.

Electric motors may kill the transmission as a whole, but i doubt for some time. If anything it will be slow coming as they will probably adopt a merged platform like the P1 or 918, where electric motors provide AWD solution, increase mpg, and augments a motor.

Until they resolve charging times and capacity issues the gas motor wont go away due to range anxiety.

The BlueMax 12-01-2013 07:27 PM
Manual Trans Quality
 
I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.:stirthepot:

Chuck33079 12-01-2013 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by The BlueMax (Post 2590458)
I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.:stirthepot:
How is it less effective? It holds power just fine. Every really strong transmission I've ever driven has been clunky. Plus, your Honda transmissions are cable shifters. The Z is directly mounted.

Red__Zed 12-01-2013 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2590465)
How is it less effective? It holds power just fine. Every really strong transmission I've ever driven has been clunky. Plus, your Honda transmissions are cable shifters. The Z is directly mounted.

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/at...000-x-750-.jpg

CrownR426 12-01-2013 08:32 PM
Copy Rights must be hella expensive!:wtf2:
I love the Manual Transmission, guess ya'll need more practicing to do!:rofl2:
Synchro-Rev Match Mode is genius!
Yes, most argue that it's cheating and that you must heel-toe BUT
As technology advances things outdated.
Manual will soon be extinct. :shakes head:
Don't hate, appreciate!:driving:

/Angelo350Z/ 12-02-2013 01:04 AM
I love the SRM, but I really don't use it enough to appreciate it. It's usually off, and the only reason I turn it on is to hear my FI exhaust when down shifting in public traffic. Sure, I could just stab the gas pedal when slowing down and shifting, but somehow I feel less of a ricer when the car does it for me.

Haboob 12-02-2013 03:45 PM
SRM: Nissan's View, Failure to Change the Industry
 
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2589501)
so many sucky MT drivers can drive like the rest of us! :tup: :ugh:
:mad:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2589503)
You know why it's not catching on, because manual is a dying breed
Unfortunately. :(

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2590140)
:iagree:

Part of driving manual... is that its manual. Automatic rev matching is just another electro-gizmo that takes away from doing it yourself.

efficiency doesn't always equal fun
Unfortunately my leg doesn't allow me to turn my foot far enough to properly heel-toe, so the SRM is a great feature for me in my MT Z.

kenchan 12-02-2013 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2591505)
Unfortunately my leg doesn't allow me to turn my foot far enough to properly heel-toe, so the SRM is a great feature for my in my MT Z.
you're doing it wrong, haboob. i dont turn/twist my leg for street heel and toe. just use the side of your foot to blip while braking. only when i need full braking power do i twist my leg and swing my heel around to blip.

it feels awkward at first, but once you get use to it, you'll end up doing that even while driving AT cars that dont rev match on down shifts. :D

Dwight Frye 12-02-2013 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 546866)
I dont think when I downshift, its muscle memory, clutch in, blip, release, that simple. I dont feel that I need a computer to blip the throttle for me and I think alot of people in the automotive world feel the same way. Cool feature? sure, necessary for people that have been driving manual transmissions their whole life without it? definitely not. This is why copycats havent emerged, its not imperative to have.
I agree. It's a cool feature and works as designed but for daily driving I leave mine off. And when I go for a spirited mountain drive and switch it on, I end up fighting it because my muscle memory and habits are so ingrained after driving a stick shift starting off road in a Meyers Manx dune buggy in 1968 that I have to consciously not blip the throttle or double clutch.

Elan 12-02-2013 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2591549)
you're doing it wrong, haboob. i dont turn/twist my leg for street heel and toe. just use the side of your foot to blip while braking. only when i need full braking power do i twist my leg and swing my heel around to blip.

it feels awkward at first, but once you get use to it, you'll end up doing that even while driving AT cars that dont rev match on down shifts. :D
Yes! I started doing this when kenchan first mentioned it! So much easier! :tiphat:

Haboob 12-02-2013 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2591549)
you're doing it wrong, haboob. i dont turn/twist my leg for street heel and toe. just use the side of your foot to blip while braking. only when i need full braking power do i twist my leg and swing my heel around to blip.

it feels awkward at first, but once you get use to it, you'll end up doing that even while driving AT cars that dont rev match on down shifts. :D
Oh, I thought you had to kind of twist your foot inward a bit.


I wonder if my foot is even wide enough to touch both at the same time. :icon17: That and the brake pedal seems much higher than the gas? I dunno, I'll have to give it a shot in an empty parking lot one of these days.

MacLean 12-02-2013 09:00 PM
I believe Porsche offers something very smiler as the SRM on some of their models. The new Corvette is the first 7MT & you see some cars with an 8AT. This is just something to think about.

mts 12-03-2013 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 546874)
The good old Stick Shift is slowly dieing :(
This. Except for "dying" instead. :)

Seriously, there is no rush out there to add any new technology to a manual clutch stick shift. It won't be too long before they aren't around at all anymore. On the Porsche forums there was a recent discussion of a large dealership that had just ordered 36+/- new 911's and only 3+/- in a traditional manual tranny. The Porsche PDK is about the best out there so that skews it some, but it still makes a pretty sad statement if you are a fan of the traditional manual offering.

JARblue 12-03-2013 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2590147)
Everything follows F1 technology
I can't wait until the Z comes standard with an F1-type steering wheel :tup:

Justice97 12-03-2013 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 2590523)
Copy Rights must be hella expensive!:wtf2:
I love the Manual Transmission, guess ya'll need more practicing to do!:rofl2:
Synchro-Rev Match Mode is genius!
Yes, most argue that it's cheating and that you must heel-toe BUT
As technology advances things outdated.
Manual will soon be extinct. :shakes head:
Don't hate, appreciate!:driving:
I still wish they had timing adjustment on the column, just like the old model T's.
You kids don't know how to drive anymore. Technology pffft. In my days we had to use a whip to change gears.


Seriously though I agree with CrownR426.

I have been driving stick since I was a freshman in high school, so I know how to drive them. I used to keep it off because of my driving style and Pfft I don't need this confounded SRM. Well lately I have become accustomed to it and I rather like it. I turn it off from time to time just to feel the difference and there is a slight difference.
I do appreciate.

Haboob 12-03-2013 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2592389)
I can't wait until the Z comes standard with an F1-type steering wheel :tup:
I do wish our steering wheel was a bit smaller. Seems kind of big. :/

alcheng 12-04-2013 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2592389)
I can't wait until the Z comes standard with an F1-type steering wheel :tup:
are you sure....??? :wtf2:

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its instruction manual will be thicker than the manual for the whole car...!!!! :icon14:


http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/atta...056.669799.jpg

http://www.autoweek.com/storyimage/C...ring-Wheel.jpg

theDreamer 12-04-2013 07:41 AM
This one seems pretty awesome. ;)

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TreeSemdyZee 12-04-2013 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2593908)
This one seems pretty awesome. ;)

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"Leave me alone. I know what I'm doing."

alcheng 12-04-2013 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2593908)
This one seems pretty awesome. ;)

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 2595426)
"Leave me alone. I know what I'm doing."

Ferrari needs to pre-record that for Raikkonen's car in 2014....!!!

:icon18::icon18:

Chuck33079 12-05-2013 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 2595426)
"Leave me alone. I know what I'm doing."
You mean "LeavemealoneIknowwhatImdoing"

Dude is hilarious. mumblemumblemumble****mumblemumble****mumble


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