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shadow2k 04-20-2010 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by earwicker7 (Post 504313)
My VDC light comes on maybe 0.001% of the time I'm driving, so I don't get the whole "It's choking my performance!" idea. This is going to get me flamed, but I think this is mostly outdated, "Real drivers would never use an automatic" type thinking. Having owned a car that did little but spin its wheels while going nowhere (Z28), I can't understand why traction is a bad thing unless you're drifting.

I don't think the VDC chokes my performance. I actually consider the system dangerous. It robs you of the ability to correct your mistakes, and VDC isn't going to do it for you. It keeps you from making some mistakes worse, but it isn't fixing any of them. It simply cuts power.

Look, you have three ways to control your car. Steering, brakes, and throttle. What does VDC do? It takes away part of your ability to control your car, because it cuts the throttle. Brilliant...

I'm not saying everyone should turn it off. It will keep many ignorant drivers out of major trouble. But for those who know how to control a car, it lessens your ability to do so. It doesn't fix anything...it removes the most likely thing that will worsen the issue, the throttle. Unfortunately, that throttle is sometimes needed to fix an issue. What's worse, suddenly cutting power can actually cause the issue in the first place.

I'm smarter than VDC, so the VDC stays off. If you don't know what I'm talking about, leave VDC on. If you do, you probably already turn it off anyway.

Chupacabra 04-20-2010 09:26 AM

^^^ I agree with this...

the vdc can make some situations really really bad.... last thing you want is an almost complete shut off power.


but it really depends on the situation... on a slippery condition, snow, heavy rain... loosing power is a benefit... keeps you in traction. and here I think the VDC does its job more than ok and I am glad it is in the car...

but that's about it. its like the whole ABS thing... Personally i hate ABS... I enjoyed knowing that I could "feel" the point of brake locking, and had the pumping thing down.... but I can see how its an important feature for the less experienced. and sometimes I thank having the thing... because when you are lazy and tired and an emergency occurs... ABS does all the job for you.

Mergnthwirker 04-20-2010 10:26 AM

Well said!

When my daughter turned 16, I took her to the Bob Bondurant high performance driving course (3-day course). Great father-daughter bonding experience, and great fun driving race-prepared Mustangs on the Phoenix Int'l road course. She set FTOD on the autocross -- and the driving instructors competed with each other to show her "the moves." I've got some great shots of her coming down the back straight pushing 100mph.

Anyway, on point, she came away from this course knowing much better what you CAN and CANNOT do with a car. She looks much further down the road, and anticipates far better. She's not afraid to really nail the brakes, if needed. She can rescue a skid, and doesn't automatically lift the throttle if the back end starts to come out on a turn. After this, and a couple of winter driving courses with Tim O'Neil (ex VW factory rally driver), I feel confident that she has much better survival skills in today's herds of incompetent drivers. Best I can do for her as a father.

And yes, she DOES drive my Z, hard!

kannibul 04-20-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 504389)
Dude, you can't correct me when I said in the damn post "although their design probably lets us make better use of that HP."

I'm correcting you?

kenchan 04-20-2010 12:49 PM

my car can not pop a wheelie...

vipor 04-20-2010 12:52 PM

Mine only does it in reverse.

earwicker7 04-20-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow2k (Post 504849)
I don't think the VDC chokes my performance. I actually consider the system dangerous. It robs you of the ability to correct your mistakes, and VDC isn't going to do it for you. It keeps you from making some mistakes worse, but it isn't fixing any of them. It simply cuts power.

Look, you have three ways to control your car. Steering, brakes, and throttle. What does VDC do? It takes away part of your ability to control your car, because it cuts the throttle. Brilliant...

I'm not saying everyone should turn it off. It will keep many ignorant drivers out of major trouble. But for those who know how to control a car, it lessens your ability to do so. It doesn't fix anything...it removes the most likely thing that will worsen the issue, the throttle. Unfortunately, that throttle is sometimes needed to fix an issue. What's worse, suddenly cutting power can actually cause the issue in the first place.

I'm smarter than VDC, so the VDC stays off. If you don't know what I'm talking about, leave VDC on. If you do, you probably already turn it off anyway.

My point is that, if it's only coming on once every two or three months, my driving is pretty good to begin with. If I ever completely lose control (haven't had this happen for 20 years) I'd like to know that my a** is covered.


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