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Vegitto-kun 04-18-2010 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 502046)
i see what you mean. That's what i figured. I agree. I think its funny how people would rather be able to text and talk on the phone than be able to drive a stick. I think its ridiculous when people are like 'no way could i ever drive stick, but they can somehow text and drive. its funny also, most of those VDC off crashes are so illogical. 'let me turn off the VDC, and then drive the car harder than i ever have' makes no sense.

exactly. driving stick isn't hard. even though I have an AT now :shakes head:

antman22 04-18-2010 06:57 PM

this is my first rwd high hp car, so i leave vdc on. i'll wait til i can get on a big empty parking lot or a high performance driving course before turning it off. i'd rather not end up like so many others that turned off vdc to have a little fun on the roads....

onekneedown 04-18-2010 08:08 PM

I think the VDC on/off discussions are interesting in that any safety device on any vehicle is only as good as the drivers using them. Some have suggested that turning off the VDC and then flooring the throttle through a turn will teach you a painful lesson.

However VDC will not prevent someone who is determined to push a car to the limit and beyond from doing damage to themselves or others.

it is ironic that the more improvements made to vehicles whether they are cars or motorcycles don't correlate to fewer accidents. It's because some people always think they can handle the limits before they have ever approached them.

For example, go to a motorcycle dealership and watch how many new riders want to grab a handful of throttle to "see what it will do" before they are even familiar with the characteristics of the bike or basic driving.

Then go to a high performance track day for bikes or cars and see how many people who measure performance in wheelies and burnouts get dusted by folks who actually take the time to learn vehicle dynamics, car control in an incremental fashion.

VDC on or off doesn't matter if you have disengaged your brain!!

PapoZalsa 04-18-2010 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 501990)
So I was thinking about the various posts we've seen from people who have wiped out after turning their VDC off and . . . well . . . I couldn't resist. :tiphat:

http://www.the370z.com/members/semte...nouncement.jpg

:rofl2: I intend this as light-hearted humor, btw. But I'll put my flame suit on just in case. ;)

:shakes head: :shakes head:

trent1331 04-18-2010 11:55 PM

Let's not forget VDC is there for more than just saving your *** when you cant keep your foot off the throttle..

I had a run in with an icy overpass and it saved my *** via fishtailing mid-interstate, versus whatever would've happened should my VDC have been off. Probably the same outcome, honestly.

fullmonty 04-19-2010 07:20 AM

I was at a light next to a friend of mine who was driving his beat up Dodge Shadow, I figured it would be a good time to drive off the light with some spirt, not to race him or anything but get off with some grunt. VDC was on and it felt some wheel spin and I bogged down in the middle of the intersection while this Dodge puttered away. VDC also didn't allow me to get up my driveway with some light snow on the ground. Though I drive with it on all the time for that one 'Oh ****' moment that might pop up. Better safe then sorry

Alexshen1 04-19-2010 08:27 AM

With great power, ________________ fill in the blank.

kannibul 04-19-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 502017)
I don't think newer cars have more HP, although their design probably lets us make better use of that HP.

Engine------------------Advertised----Rated----------True
------------------------HP @ RPM---- Torque@ RPM-- HP @ RPM

Buick 455 Stage 1-------360@5000----510@2800------420@5400
Camaro Z/28 302--------290@5800----290@4200------310@6200
Chevelle 396 L-78-------375@5600----415@3600------400@5600
Corvette 427 L-88-------430@5200----450@4400------480@6400
Mopar 340-4 bbl---------275@5000----340@3200------320@5600
Mopar 440-Magnum------375@4600----480@3200------410@5400
Mopar 440 Six-Pack------390@4700----490@3200------430@5600
Mopar 426 Street Hemi---425@5000----490@4000------470@6000
Mustang Boss 302--------290@5800----290@4300------310@6200
Ford 351-4 bbl Cleveland--300@5400----380@3400------340@5600
Mustang Boss 351--------330@5400----370@4000------360@6000
Mustang 428 Cobra-Jet---335@5200----440@3400------410@5600
Mustang Boss 429--------375@5200----450@3400------420@5600
Oldsmobile 455 W-30-----370@5300----500@3600------440@5600
Oldsmobile 350 W-31-----325@5400----360@3600------350@5800
Pontiac Ram Air 400------366@5100----445@3600------410@5600

Power to weight is the "issue". What did those cars post for 1/4 mile times?

RCGsupra 04-19-2010 09:24 AM

I think the issue is that this car has some serious grip for a stock car combined w/ relatively low hp/torque. Therefore w/ that combo it takes a lot more to break the car loose. So I'm thinking inexperienced dudes are turning the VDC off to get some wheel spin and are pushing the car beyond their limits.

For example, my previous car was a 420 rwhp Supra. It was so easy to get the wheels to spin at low RPM and once the tires broke loose they would continue to spin until I changed something (throttle input, shifting, etc). That made it extremely predictable. With the Z, I have to really try to get the wheels to spin and that's usually at high RPM w/ the car pretty unsettled.

I dunno I could be full of complete ****, but it's just a theory.

vipor 04-19-2010 09:29 AM

So I'm driving back from dinner with this chick Friday, and it had just started raining. I had the VDC off because I've been havin a little more fun than usual driving around lately.. I'm at a light turning left where I go really slow because of a bump in the road.

All of a sudden (while turning) I look to her and say "this could be interesting"... Shift into 2nd and give it just a little gas and UH OH, I'm facing left, 90° off-axis in my lane.

Kinda funny because I saw it coming and gave her the heads up, and because there were no cars short of 1 I had already passed by sitting at the light. Put it in reverse, turned the VDC back on, and went on my merry way.

It's easy to see how people that aren't 100% on the ball can lose their ass (and their car) with the VDC off.

kannibul 04-19-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 503402)
So I'm driving back from dinner with this chick Friday, and it had just started raining. I had the VDC off because I've been havin a little more fun than usual driving around lately.. I'm at a light turning left where I go really slow because of a bump in the road.

All of a sudden (while turning) I look to her and say "this could be interesting"... Shift into 2nd and give it just a little gas and UH OH, I'm facing left, 90° off-axis in my lane.

Kinda funny because I saw it coming and gave her the heads up, and because there were no cars short of 1 I had already passed by sitting at the light. Put it in reverse, turned the VDC back on, and went on my merry way.

It's easy to see how people that aren't 100% on the ball can lose their ass (and their car) with the VDC off.

Yeah, driving around Saturday in the rain, I was thinking of finding a local empty parking lot to have a little time on a wet skidpad. Then I thought about all the what-ifs, and decided I won't :(

Chupacabra 04-19-2010 11:06 AM

I don't know about anyone else, but the z as a heavy rain car sucks.... those wide *** tires love to hydroplane. I know for sure, that the VDC has saved that car in the rainy days...

but people should really stop multi tasking.

FuszNissan 04-19-2010 11:17 AM

Take a performance driving class. Know what your limits are.

vipor 04-19-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan (Post 503607)
Take a performance driving class. Know what your limits are.

Good advice, and I definitely LOVED my HPDE. Going back soon I hope.

On the nice black asphault roads covered in oil that we drive on though it's hard to know what to expect.

Azathoth 04-19-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chupacabra (Post 503579)
but people should really stop multi tasking.

:iagree:

VDC on or off, if you're eating, shaving, talking on the phone, txting or any other multitasking while driving, you should be arrested and penalized the same as drunk driving or worse. Blaming VDC instead of ones own incompetence is the same as blaming video games for violence.


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