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ChopsZ 04-12-2019 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 3842738)
No need to offer upgraded parts... just upgrade to "Sport" or "Nismo" trims to get the parts you want.

I disagree.

The only "real" difference between the base and Sport are the brakes and VLSD. The only "real" difference between the Sport and Nismo is a body kit.

Precisely why I went with the base and built it into my own. It will outperform ANY stock Nismo Z on the planet at a fraction of the cost of a new Nismo.

I could have easily bought a Nismo, but I wasn't willing to waste money on a bunch of junk I didn't want.

And to me, those "upgrades" aren't true upgrades to me.

OTW Z-Boy 04-12-2019 10:12 AM

Base Sport Nismo

Differences are obvious between the 3. I’ve owned both the Sport and Nismo. Between the 2 stylistic variant is really the only major difference. Sure you could make a case for the exhaust being a performance upgrade but justification for the difference in price eh probably not. Aero wise that’s where most of the money is being spent. For the causal enthusiast the Akebono upgrade is a good choice but really all a matter of taste. Plenty of possibilities in all 3 versions depending on what the “working goal” is for the owner.

With these special editions it is what it is. Special paint color scheme interior details is the point of differentiation but pretty much the same thing when you strip it all away. Moral of the story here is that the diehards for the Zcar are screaming for something truly new to get excited about.

For me a complete overhaul would be best case scenario going back to a TT 2+2 might get me to give up mine, but it would have to suit my visual taste and sure as hell exceed what the driving experience and performance capabilities are of the Z I have now.

Com’on Nissan shock the world!


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Spooler 04-12-2019 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3842679)
Took them that long to get Recaros, and even then, we got half-recaros.

Give us a full fuckin' Recaro Sporters CS at least as an OPTION. And know they have a access to full bucket Recaros in various GTR trims, make them an option.



just laziness

The Drivers seat is a full Recaro seat. I have a set and I have Recaro's in my 1975 280zt. The Drivers seat is full Recaro. The passenger seat the seat bottom is nissan it appears.

Spooler 04-12-2019 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OTW Z-Boy (Post 3842800)
For me a complete overhaul would be best case scenario going back to a TT 2+2 might get me to give up mine, but it would have to suit my visual taste and sure as hell exceed what the driving experience and performance capabilities are of the Z I have now.

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Please lord do not bring back the 2+2 that is ugly as sin. I am glad they never brought them back for the 350z or 370z.

Spooler 04-12-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3842769)
I disagree.

The only "real" difference between the base and Sport are the brakes and VLSD. The only "real" difference between the Sport and Nismo is a body kit.

Precisely why I went with the base and built it into my own. It will outperform ANY stock Nismo Z on the planet at a fraction of the cost of a new Nismo.

I could have easily bought a Nismo, but I wasn't willing to waste money on a bunch of junk I didn't want.

And to me, those "upgrades" aren't true upgrades to me.

Wrong, no syncro rev match for the base model. The Nismo does have additional rigidity added that you don't see and it also has a different suspension.

OTW Z-Boy 04-12-2019 10:28 AM

Purely a cost savings measure on the 2+2 lol insurance rates


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Falconquey 04-12-2019 11:11 AM

IMO ChopZ is correct. The extras you get in a Nismo vs Sport and/or Base aren't worth the extra money.

BettyZ 04-12-2019 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Falconquey (Post 3842857)
IMO ChopZ is more right than wrong.

That's damning by faint praise if I've ever heard it...

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ChopsZ 04-12-2019 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3842809)
Wrong, no syncro rev match for the base model. The Nismo does have additional rigidity added that you don't see and it also has a different suspension.

That's why I said the only "real" difference. I'm not talking about the slightly tuned Nismo suspension, and don't even consider the stupid syncro rev. That thing is totally useless unless you don't know how to drive.

Rusty 04-12-2019 02:46 PM

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osbornsm 04-12-2019 03:33 PM

Current 370z trims available:
  • Base = $30k
  • Heratige = $31k
  • Sport = $34k
  • Sport Touring = $38k
  • Nismo = $45k

Base is uh, basic
Sport adds $4,000 in performance upgrades
Touring adds $4,000 worth of interior upgrades
Nismo adds stiffness to the Sport goodies

Is there a reason this is on page 7?

Magic Bus 04-12-2019 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3840807)
These popped up in my local Z facebook group. I have no idea who took them or if they are legit, so take these with a grain of salt

Don't kill the messenger, but . . . yeah this is worse than we expect. Not just an appearance package, but an ugly appearance package

That appearance package is not something I'd like to purchase. However on my way home after work, I pulled along side a clean, post 2013 gun metalic Sport Z. I gotta say guys, your Z still looks good for a 10 year old design :tup:

ChopsZ 04-12-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 3842900)
Base is uh, basic
Sport adds $4,000 in performance upgrades

Nismo adds stiffness to the Sport goodies

Is there a reason this is on page 7?

Sport adds $4k of stuff no one wants...

Weak VLSD which ends up being an open diff after a little heat
Bose system with noise cancellation that everyone replaces
Syncro rev - no comment
Rear spoiler that does nothing

Base and Sport suspension is identical

Only advantage of the Sport are the larger, better brakes, and possibly the 19" Rays.


Nismo springs and shocks are totally different from Sport, adds Yamaha chassis dampeners, and additional bracing on front shock tower brace. Also better wheels and functional aero package.


Not trying to continue beating a dead horse, just tired of people making the Sport to be a superior car to the base, which it isn't. Some of you guys make it sound like it's the same as going from a Corvette Stingray to a Z06.

Sway 04-12-2019 09:27 PM

It’s not like a base vette vs a z06 no, but those brakes are a pretty big deal. The akebono brake set up is awesome, and a big brake kit is an expensive add on. Rev match is a nice feature, and the Z looks terrible without a spoiler. “No one wants” is a huge understatement.

Bryzed 04-12-2019 10:44 PM

350z was around for 7 years and was developed better imho.
DE engine
Rev up Engine
HR engine
Along with different lights,bumper and bonnet (hood) and interior tweeks . Also why did Nissan ditch the 350z alloy rear subframe for the steel one in the 370z?

Rusty 04-12-2019 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryzed (Post 3842981)
350z was around for 7 years and was developed better imho.
DE engine
Rev up Engine
HR engine
Along with different lights,bumper and bonnet (hood) and interior tweeks . Also why did Nissan ditch the 350z alloy rear subframe for the steel one in the 370z?

Because it's stronger.

JARblue 04-12-2019 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3842951)
Sport adds $4k of stuff no one wants...

Speak for yourself :tiphat:

When it was unveiled on the 370Z, the sports package was one of the best valued dealer performance packages (w/o HP increase) on the market. That $3500 gets you a huge amount of performance upgrades. Compared to the extreme Nismo markup (for an aero kit, some dampers, and slightly varied exhaust and tune and suspension) the value is far superior IMNSHO.

Bryzed 04-13-2019 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3842995)
Because it's stronger.

And heavier. So was the alloy one in the 350z known to be a weak point ?

-ZS-Carpenter 04-13-2019 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3842951)
garbage

:tiphat:

Rusty 04-13-2019 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryzed (Post 3843019)
And heavier. So was the alloy one in the 350z known to be a weak point ?

There is some flex in it. For better handling. They went with steel. Also, it's cheaper.

vtec to vvel 04-13-2019 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3842951)
Sport adds $4k of stuff no one wants.

Not trying to continue beating a dead horse, just tired of people making the Sport to be a superior car to the base, which it isn't. Some of you guys make it sound like it's the same as going from a Corvette Stingray to a Z06.

People spend the extra $ for the sports package for a reason, so to say “no one wants” is bit of an erroneous statement. I think the spoiler/wheels/interior is well worth the extra and the calipers add a nice touch to the car. I went from a basic base ‘07 350Z to an ‘09 7AT touring/sports/nav and now a ‘13 6MT touring/sports/nav, and I personally don’t regret the upgraded purchase.

In regards to the statement about people with the add-on’s feeling superior compared to their base counterparts, well, I’d say give them the respect for spending the extra $. In retrospect, I always get the feeling that the owners without the sports package are bitter and resent the owners with the sports package (ie buyer’s remorse), but that’s just my opinion. I know I was when I was driving the base 350Z.

Ventruck 04-14-2019 02:12 PM

I know there was a local listing for a used Z that did the same thing with the roof/hood/hatch. While I do try to respect people's tastes, that's one of those things I just can't understand at all.

Couldn't really expect much out of this 50th. I mean I don't think Nissan is banking on the idea of trying to win back former owners or have current ones re-buy. They're just trying whatever....edgy ways they can to make use of all the leftover parts — which will be great for us trying to keep our Z's running for much longer down the road.

ChopsZ 04-14-2019 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sway (Post 3842954)
Rev match is a nice feature, and the Z looks terrible without a spoiler. “No one wants” is a huge understatement.

For someone who can't heel/toe, sure it's a "nice" features. For those of us who can, it's not. Looking terrible without the spoiler is a matter of opinion.


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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3842996)
That $3500 gets you a huge amount of performance upgrades.

Akebono brakes is the only true worthwhile upgrade the Sports package offers the buyer. It's a good upgrade, not a "huge amount of performance". And my setup is much better for a lot less with the parts I wanted.


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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3843283)
I went from a basic base ‘07 350Z to an ‘09 7AT touring/sports/nav and now a ‘13 6MT touring/sports/nav, and I personally don’t regret the upgraded purchase.

In retrospect, I always get the feeling that the owners without the sports package are bitter and resent the owners with the sports package

My brother had the manual Sport package, and I drove it loads of times. Even with both cars in bone stock form, I preferred my base, which is just one of my reasons as to why I purchased the base to begin with.

As to the resent... Yeah, I don't think so.

vtec to vvel 04-14-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3843518)

As to the resent... Yeah, I don't think so.

Yes, hence my comment “but that’s my opinion”, as you have stated yours about sports package owners superiority.....

Rusty 04-14-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3843525)
Yes, hence my comment “but that’s my opinion”, as you have stated yours about sports package owners superiority.....

Then Nismo owners shouldn't talk to you.


:rofl2:

cv129 04-14-2019 09:54 PM

Nissan causes such disappointment with the 50th that people rather revive the base vs sport vs Nismo vs Nismo 15+

Nissan, it’s all your fault!!!!!!!!!!!

Zingston 04-14-2019 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3843607)
Nissan causes such disappointment with the 50th that people rather revive the base vs sport vs Nismo vs Nismo 15+

Nissan, it’s all your fault!!!!!!!!!!!



Yes, we are all just victims of Nissan's 370z negligence.

CRiZO 04-14-2019 11:00 PM

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vtec to vvel 04-14-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3843527)
Then Nismo owners shouldn't talk to you.


:rofl2:

I actually had a nismo owner give me the bird while I was giving them a thumbs up.

Spooler 04-14-2019 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3843618)
I actually had a nismo owner give me the bird while I was giving them a thumbs up.

That guys was just a jerk. We have lots of them these days out on the road.

Rusty 04-14-2019 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3843618)
I actually had a nismo owner give me the bird while I was giving them a thumbs up.

:shakes head:

Rusty 04-14-2019 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3843620)
That guys was just a jerk. We have lots of them these days out on the road.

:iagree:

vtec to vvel 04-14-2019 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3843620)
That guys was just a jerk. We have lots of them these days out on the road.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3843622)
:shakes head:

Yeah it kinda threw me off :confused:

And I believe he is a member of this site, as I did see the site logo emblem on his car lol

Spooler 04-14-2019 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3843623)
:iagree:

Yeap, Drive a Corvette out on the road. Nut jobs come out the wood work and to me it is just a freaking Corvette. Not that big of a deal.

Zingston 04-15-2019 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3843618)
I actually had a nismo owner give me the bird while I was giving them a thumbs up.



Could have been EW... he just rolls angry most of the time. :mad:

old guy 04-15-2019 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3843608)
Yes, we are all just victims of Nissan's 370z negligence.

And we should be paid repreasions

JARblue 04-15-2019 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3843518)
Akebono brakes is the only true worthwhile upgrade the Sports package offers the buyer. It's a good upgrade, not a "huge amount of performance". And my setup is much better for a lot less with the parts I wanted.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

For you, the sports package wasn't worth it. You made modifications to the elements that you felt were most worthwhile and saved some money. Well done.

The fact still remains that the sports packages is an objectively excellent value for the performance upgrades over the base model. This is clear when you compare it to equivalent modifications and not just discount half the upgrades because you don't find them worthwhile.

You have no basis for arguing that your setup is better when you don't have all the sport package parts installed. Apples to oranges. 6MT w/ rev-match > 6MT w/o rev-match. Period. Regardless of whether you find the feature useful or not.

MZ DAIZY 04-15-2019 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3843661)
Could have been EW... he just rolls angry most of the time. :mad:

Must be from NJ?

MZ DAIZY 04-15-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3843673)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

For you, the sports package wasn't worth it. You made modifications to the elements that you felt were most worthwhile and saved some money. Well done.

The fact still remains that the sports packages is an objectively excellent value for the performance upgrades over the base model. This is clear when you compare it to equivalent modifications and not just discount half the upgrades because you don't find them worthwhile.

You have no basis for arguing that your setup is better when you don't have all the sport package parts installed. Apples to oranges. 6MT w/ rev-match > 6MT w/o rev-match. Period. Regardless of whether you find the feature useful or not.

As someone who can heel toe I can understand why the “purists” think the rev match feature is silly. Personally I love it! If I ever feel the need to heel toe, I can turn it off. Problem solved.

Jeez, it’s not like manually shifting an automatic!

(running and ducking!) :stirthepot:

MZ DAIZY 04-15-2019 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3843618)
I actually had a nismo owner give me the bird while I was giving them a thumbs up.

You haven’t lived until you wave to a bunch of Harley’s while riding your BMW. :hello:

Nevermind that I owned 2 Harley’s AND the BMW...:ugh2:


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