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meldazii 03-01-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 351464)
well I just looked it up, they will have TT V6 that only gets 300 hp and a 225 hp one. I just dont understand how they only get 300 HP out of a v6 tt? They should get that just from the V6 The TTs should give it another 100 HP IMO. A V6 TT that does 0 60 in 5 secs, hmmmmm.

the tt v6 has 250 hp.
the 2010 z4 has 300hp and is twin turbo
ive driven the z4mc and a 09 370z the z4m with proper tires(not the conties) is a truly unbelieveable car in the bends, so to is the 370 but the better m diff in the z dose a better job, both are realy great cars and the z4m is faster but not by much. i will be picking my z4mc up within the next month. my vote is for the z4m but to everyone there own... :driving:

WICKED_GRIN 03-01-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by meldazii (Post 423853)
the tt v6 has 250 hp.
the 2010 z4 has 300hp and is twin turbo
ive driven the z4mc and a 09 370z the z4m with proper tires(not the conties) is a truly unbelieveable car in the bends, so to is the 370 but the better m diff in the z dose a better job, both are realy great cars and the z4m is faster but not by much. i will be picking my z4mc up within the next month. my vote is for the z4m but to everyone there own... :driving:





say what?

nextbesthing 03-01-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WICKED_GRIN (Post 424001)
say what?

Meldazzi I think your confusing what he means by tt...he's not talking about the V6 audi TT...but rather the 2010 v6 twin turbo z4 that puts out 300hp

Zsteve 03-01-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nextbesthing (Post 424042)
Meldazzi I think your confusing what he means by tt...he's not talking about the V6 audi TT...but rather the 2010 v6 twin turbo z4 that puts out 300hp

A TT that only puts out 300 hp? Man thats kinda low isnt it? Hope that can be bumped way up with a chip.

JACKPAC 03-01-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 424106)
A TT that only puts out 300 hp? Man thats kinda low isnt it? Hope that can be bumped way up with a chip.

BMW's tt's are small and are used to add power without turbo lag (and they do a very good job at it). They are running minimal boost so not to steal all their M3 sales. Of course for a few hundred bucks you can easily increase your HP and torque to insane levels. Look up JB3, juicebox, etc... there are many.

serge 03-02-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by meldazii (Post 423853)
the tt v6 has 250 hp.
the 2010 z4 has 300hp and is twin turbo
ive driven the z4mc and a 09 370z the z4m with proper tires(not the conties) is a truly unbelieveable car in the bends, so to is the 370 but the better m diff in the z dose a better job, both are realy great cars and the z4m is faster but not by much. i will be picking my z4mc up within the next month. my vote is for the z4m but to everyone there own... :driving:

:facepalm:

1. The N54 BMW engine is a 3 liter TT Inline-6, not a V6

2. It has 300 bhp, not 250.

3. The official 300 bhp figure is underated. It's more like 330-340 bhp, according to dynos.

4. The 2010 Z4 has 335 hp, not 300 hp.

WICKED_GRIN 03-02-2010 09:11 AM

^^ true

Zsteve 03-02-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JACKPAC (Post 424781)
BMW's tt's are small and are used to add power without turbo lag (and they do a very good job at it). They are running minimal boost so not to steal all their M3 sales. Of course for a few hundred bucks you can easily increase your HP and torque to insane levels. Look up JB3, juicebox, etc... there are many.

Still a V6 TT with only 300 HP is bad IMO. They should have tuned it to 350 or more stock. I know the turbos are small, I had an Audi TT with a single turbo and it was small so boost was on real early but that was a 4 cyl with one turbo and it made 200 hp (250+ with a chip, TBE). An extra 2 cyls and an extra turbo should net 350 at least. But Im sure the chip will do it some good but man thats kinda hard to bragg about when a NA V6 has more HP.

WICKED_GRIN 03-02-2010 11:30 AM

^^ it's a I6...as in a straight "6"...as stated above!!

Zsteve 03-02-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WICKED_GRIN (Post 425396)
^^ it's a I6...as in a straight "6"...as stated above!!

Im dont know enough about straight 6s to know how that effects things.

phantom21 03-02-2010 12:17 PM

(looking at porn)

Err: Oh man, you gotta check this out.

Meatwad: Oh yeah baby, that's a neat car she's washing. You think that's a straight 6?

Err: I think I have a straight 6.

Ignignokt: Ooooo. Err, your sexual innuendo is priceless.


Sorry, couldnt resist.

nextbesthing 03-02-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 425386)
Still a V6 TT with only 300 HP is bad IMO. They should have tuned it to 350 or more stock. I know the turbos are small, I had an Audi TT with a single turbo and it was small so boost was on real early but that was a 4 cyl with one turbo and it made 200 hp (250+ with a chip, TBE). An extra 2 cyls and an extra turbo should net 350 at least. But Im sure the chip will do it some good but man thats kinda hard to bragg about when a NA V6 has more HP.

Like serge stated, it is more like 330-340 hp. BMW just under rated it. They are fast, def more than 300hp

Zsteve 03-02-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nextbesthing (Post 425615)
Like serge stated, it is more like 330-340 hp. BMW just under rated it. They are fast, def more than 300hp

Thas sounds better, and with the chip Im sure they are even quicker with all that low end TQ. They probably have more TQ than HP with the chip.

Mike 03-02-2010 05:58 PM

going to look into ordering my wife's for euro delivery tomorrow.

JACKPAC 03-02-2010 07:30 PM

Another positive with the N54 engine is that torque is maxed from like 1250 rpm to redline.

CrownR426 03-02-2010 07:42 PM

You are going to love the z!
Turn off vdc when you go for a test drive!
>:]

ebruder 03-02-2010 09:00 PM

Update re: Z4M Coupe ---> 370Z
 
I went to the Cleveland auto show this past Sunday. The Cleveland show has always been a big one as this area is second to Detroit in automotive businesses. The turn out was huge, with most marques having large displays (BMW's was an exception with a very small display).

I talked at length with a Nissan specialist who really knew the 370Z (or at least seemed so to me). He punted on my question about over heating if the car was tracked and gave me Nissan's tech support phone number for further conversation.

The car would be my daily driver and occasional track and auto-X car. He seemed to say that car was designed for spirited driving, but not a track weekend. This statement was really soft, as the 370Z is a sports car, and I am not talking about racing, but a few "Driver's Education" weekends. He was still hesitant.

When I asked about the NISMO, he said that was much more like my ///MCoupe and should be fine on the track, but he advised against the car by saying he wouldn't trade 5 days/week of comfortable driving for spirited weekend or track time.

With all his expertise, he didn't inspire confidence.

Any thoughts or comments?

BTW, the Lotus Evora was the star of the show to me. Wow!, but expensive. The dealer has 12 coming in and 3 are pre-sold, but at 2.5 time the price of a 370Z.

Thanks.

EB

nuTinmuch 03-02-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 426083)
You are going to love the z!
Have your friend turn off vdc when you go for a test drive!
>:]

Fixed!

Mike 03-02-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ebruder (Post 426202)
I went to the Cleveland auto show this past Sunday. The Cleveland show has always been a big one as this area is second to Detroit in automotive businesses. The turn out was huge, with most marques having large displays (BMW's was an exception with a very small display).

I talked at length with a Nissan specialist who really knew the 370Z (or at least seemed so to me). He punted on my question about over heating if the car was tracked and gave me Nissan's tech support phone number for further conversation.

The car would be my daily driver and occasional track and auto-X car. He seemed to say that car was designed for spirited driving, but not a track weekend. This statement was really soft, as the 370Z is a sports car, and I am not talking about racing, but a few "Driver's Education" weekends. He was still hesitant.

When I asked about the NISMO, he said that was much more like my ///MCoupe and should be fine on the track, but he advised against the car by saying he wouldn't trade 5 days/week of comfortable driving for spirited weekend or track time.

With all his expertise, he didn't inspire confidence.

Any thoughts or comments?

BTW, the Lotus Evora was the star of the show to me. Wow!, but expensive. The dealer has 12 coming in and 3 are pre-sold, but at 2.5 time the price of a 370Z.

Thanks.

EB

I track mine quite a bit.
Absolutely necessary is an oil cooler, whether or not you get the Nismo version. Also, it does tend to stall out in hard right turns with less than 3/4 tank of gas on the track, even earlier with R compounds.

Other than that, its a great track car.

Parrotguy 03-02-2010 10:48 PM

I am on my second Z4, 6 years, and the lease expires on my '07 in April. The new Z4 is gorgeous, and imho has three issues - its overpriced, if you look at how poorly these cars are dropping in value, the trunk is pretty much useless, and the options are way overpriced (and they downgraded the audio system this year, so you have to buy the premium audio (another $1800). The Boxster is a better choice as a pure sports car, it drives better in every respect and costs about the same, depending on how you equip it. I still love the new Z4 though. Killer styling.
However I'm ordering a 370Z Touring roadster instead. BMW is not bending on the price yet, but they will. The Z4's are not selling (see the numbers on the Bimmerfest forum) they were knocking $10,000 off the leftover '09s, gave up on the '10s, and are now only making '11s. Guys on the Z4 board were shocked to find out what there cars are worth now. (I'm glad I don't have to sell or trade mine). The 370 has a great driving feel, very similar performance (but only if you chose the more expensive twin turbo Z4) and can be purchased at near invoice, so about $10,000 less than the BMW. A new Z4 with wicked CA taxes, license, & insurance, say adios to about $60,000 all in. If I was prepared to spend that much it would be a Boxster. I struggled with the same decision for the last three months and read just about everything written on these two cars. I came down on the value side. If B of A stock hits $50 maybe I'll go German again. Make sure you drive each car more than once.

Mike 03-03-2010 09:23 AM

the Z4 we are buying is for my wife, so its all about style, not performance, even though were are getting the 35. USAA buying service has it at 500 over invoice, so that is what I am shooting for at the dealer later today.

Zsteve 03-03-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 426864)
the Z4 we are buying is for my wife, so its all about style, not performance, even though were are getting the 35. USAA buying service has it at 500 over invoice, so that is what I am shooting for at the dealer later today.

Does she need a V6 TT? Maybe like the other guy said look at the Boxster.

BTW I love the USAA car buying thing, I was looking at it last night and they say they can get the GTR premium for $76K.

Mike 03-03-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 426946)
Does she need a V6 TT? Maybe like the other guy said look at the Boxster.

BTW I love the USAA car buying thing, I was looking at it last night and they say they can get the GTR premium for $76K.

she doesn't 'need' it, but I want it. The boxster is old and dated looking to me, and Porsche doesn't give you a discount for European delivery like BMW does (7% less)

Zsteve 03-03-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 426969)
she doesn't 'need' it, but I want it. The boxster is old and dated looking to me, and Porsche doesn't give you a discount for European delivery like BMW does (7% less)

Now we are getting to the truth. LOL But will she let you drive it?

Mike 03-03-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 426979)
Now we are getting to the truth. LOL But will she let you drive it?

She better, I am selling my corvette to help pay for it.

meldazii 03-03-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by serge (Post 425210)
:facepalm:

1. The N54 BMW engine is a 3 liter TT Inline-6, not a V6

2. It has 300 bhp, not 250.

3. The official 300 bhp figure is underated. It's more like 330-340 bhp, according to dynos.

4. The 2010 Z4 has 335 hp, not 300 hp.

i thought he was talking about the audi TT, and the hp for the M Coupe is 333 but that because of the 2 cats and crimpled headers. also i know there straight 6. but im also trying to stop looking at the 370 because it makes me question my choice so i dont know....

Parrotguy 03-03-2010 01:08 PM

Re: buying plans, The American Express Car Buying program is painless and not much to fill out. I did it on the 370z roadster and got three responses immediately all under invoice. The best was $600 under. Not all dealers participate. The dealer is not allowed to haggle the price they quote. I liked the plan, others on this board have used it, but I am going with the VPP program by way of the courtesy of poster Robert Nash, which is even better. Search VPP and you'll find the thread. The only issue is the program ends on 3/31so ordering from the factory is a non-starter.

Mike 03-03-2010 10:28 PM

so we wound up not doing euro delivery, but taking one home tonight instead. Got it for about 1000 under invoice, but it was still twice what my base+sport was. Its a very nice car though and my wife is ecstatic, so its all good. 2.9 financing is also pretty good.

Zsteve 03-03-2010 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 428138)
so we wound up not doing euro delivery, but taking one home tonight instead. Got it for about 1000 under invoice, but it was still twice what my base+sport was. Its a very nice car though and my wife is ecstatic, so its all good. 2.9 financing is also pretty good.

$75K+? maaaaaaaaaan



ecstatic???? you better have a smile on your face every morning you wake up.

Mike 03-03-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 428185)
$75K+? maaaaaaaaaan



ecstatic???? you better have a smile on your face every morning you wake up.

no, 58. I only spent 29 on my Z

Zsteve 03-03-2010 11:40 PM

oh ok thats better. hows the power feel compared to the Z

Brazilbro 03-04-2010 12:11 AM

thats getting close to used GT-R territory

Mike 03-04-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro (Post 428292)
thats getting close to used GT-R territory

but she would never want a GTR, and actually, even though I like the car, I wouldn't want one either, just because it doesn't have a manual transmission, and I don't really like the auto, no matter how good it is.


Which is also why its hard to say which is faster. I think the Z4 might be a little, but its hard to tell since it has the 7 speed double clutch automatic, so it drives totally different. That and I haven't really gotten on it too much since its not broken in yet, and I have only driven it to the grocery store and back so far.

MightyBobo 03-04-2010 09:11 AM

Besides...the new Z4's are ******* dead sexy. I want pics...what color, Mike? Man, if they had Laguna Seca Blue.....

Zsteve 03-04-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 428468)
but she would never want a GTR, and actually, even though I like the car, I wouldn't want one either, just because it doesn't have a manual transmission, and I don't really like the auto, no matter how good it is.


Which is also why its hard to say which is faster. I think the Z4 might be a little, but its hard to tell since it has the 7 speed double clutch automatic, so it drives totally different. That and I haven't really gotten on it too much since its not broken in yet, and I have only driven it to the grocery store and back so far.

So do you guys have a role reversal thing going on there? She get the TT V6 and you go grocery shopping. LOL JK.

That DSG is awesome, had it on my Audi and I loved how fast it shifted. So are you going to get it chipped?

mick 03-04-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 428468)
but she would never want a GTR, and actually, even though I like the car, I wouldn't want one either, just because it doesn't have a manual transmission, and I don't really like the auto, no matter how good it is.

for me, what i don't like about driving an automatic is i feel like I am not doing anything.

i guess people who don't like driving a manual feel the opposite: they think they are doing too much.

Mike 03-04-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 428532)
Besides...the new Z4's are ******* dead sexy. I want pics...what color, Mike? Man, if they had Laguna Seca Blue.....

have to take some pics later, but what color do you think?
http://www.the370z.com/members/mike-...2-stable-2.jpg

Zsteve,
I just had to go pick up her birthday cake. Then we went out drinking, so the car stayed home. Probably won't get it chipped though. Only cosmetic mods for this one.

Zsteve 03-04-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 428635)
have to take some pics later, but what color do you think?
http://www.the370z.com/members/mike-...2-stable-2.jpg

Zsteve,
I just had to go pick up her birthday cake. Then we went out drinking, so the car stayed home. Probably won't get it chipped though. Only cosmetic mods for this one.

man what a choice to have to make every morning, which hot car do I take to work today. I hate you man cuz Im jealous has hell. LOL enjoy therides man they look good.

Mike 03-04-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 428646)
man what a choice to have to make every morning, which hot car do I take to work today. I hate you man cuz Im jealous has hell. LOL enjoy therides man they look good.

well, the Corvette is in the process of being sold. The guy is coming in from Houston either this saturday or next to pick it up, and the Z is in the body shop, so I am pretty much down to the tahoe since the Z4 is hers. Fortunately, I work mostly from home.

MightyBobo 03-04-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 428635)
have to take some pics later, but what color do you think?

Racist.


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