A mean mean salesman. He totally forced me to buy and I am SOOO angry.

It's not my fault. I am the victim.

Meanwhile my Nissan dealership is stellar. (props to Larry H Miller Nissan in Denver)

The buying experience was top-notch (they let me take my current Nismo on a 30 mile run up into the mountains for the test race), the salesman was super personable and still knows my name when I take the car in for routine service, the service department looks like something from a science fiction movie (super clean and high-tech), the tech-writer I work with is incredibly knowledgeable - even about aftermarket, and they always give me the car back in about an hour - fully detailed.

I contrast this with the Ford dealership I walked out on when I went to pick up the GT350 I was about to sign for. Total crap experience with smarmy salesmen, hidden costs, sticker massaging, and the 'techs' didn't even know they weren't allowed to sell the GT350's because of a catastrophic oil cooler issue. (which has since been fixed by Ford)

So it's totally hit and miss.

My only suggestion is that the instant you get the feeling something is up - walk. There are countless ways to get car... So if you're unhappy for any reason, take a walk and find someplace else who is more invested in making you happy.

I know I should not have taken the car however I had already waited 7 weeks at this point and it was the only 2019 Sport in Canada with a manual transmission and the color that I wanted. There was only 1 other car scheduled to be delivered to Canada that met the specs from what I wanted and it was being sold cross country at a premium price hence I decided to stick with the car because it is what I wanted and I didn't want another color.

This is a long story

I started writing a long text but I've shortened it for the highlights.

After going to a few dealers I ended up striking a deal with a local dealer. We were buying a 2018 vehicle that was instock at another dealer 7 hours away. We had agreed on a price the day before with a $500 deposit. Confirmed the deal in the morning when they threw in tinted windows for free. Sales guy calls me to take my credit card info, drivers licence and car insurance info. Tells me to stand by the phone as F&I Lady will call me in a few minutes to set up credit application and he will confirm in a day or 2 when they reserved the car through the other dealership.

3 days pass before the F&I lady calls me back. She has none of the proper information from my salesman OR is trying to swindle me somehow. I had negotiated free tints, wasn't on the contact. I had negotiated stone shield on the hood, fenders and complete bumper but she only had hood and fenders listed. We confirmed pricing and then she said minus your deposit you will owe $xxxx for your down payment. I said that doesn't add up, how much was my deposit. Seems like the salesman decided to take $2500 instead of the $500 we agreed to. I was pretty angry, I double checked the paper infront of me that said $500 deposit. I told her that since there are a lot of issues with what she was given and what the salesman and I talked about I'd like to see a copy of the contact. She agreed to email me a copy. Immediately after getting off the phone I started texting the salesman to see wtf happened with the deposit. After some heated text from me he apologized and he said that since I was putting a large down payment on the car he thought I would have appreciated getting points on my credit card but that he should have asked me first. This response blew my mind. Had I known he wanted $2500 I would of used another card or brought him cash. I left it at that since this was my first issue with him so far. I asked him if he got the car from the other dealership but he told me that He would get back to me the next day.

I received the contract from the f/I lady. She updated it with the proper information, it looks good but there's no vin number, or due date.

The next day comes around and I don't hear from the sales guy.
Another day and I get a text "Do you want any other color". I respond NO.
I don't hear back for a few days, at this point I'm getting worried.

Finally I get a text saying "Sorry, We can't get the car but my boss will get you a 2019 if you are willing to wait about 4 weeks".
I ask him to confirm that the car is built and that it's the exact same deal with the same financing since I know that MSRP and transport/prep had gone up on the 2019 AND they don't qualify for the 1.9% financing. He responds that it's and identical deal and that the car is built and in transit.

I take the deal but I tell him I want a sales contract with a vin number once he's got the allocation so that I know it's a done deal, I can set up my insurance and track the car while it's in transit. Sure thing he says.

I don't have news for a week so I ask him for an update. He says there won't be an update until they get the car and that he can't provide me with tracking information. I asked him for a vin and he said he will email his boss.

No news for a few days.

Week 2 I ask for an update on the Vin, tells me he will email his boss. I never hear back.

Week 3 I get a little impatient with him since the deal fell through once I don't want to waste my time. At this point I have nothing. No contact, No vin and no news since I said ok to a deal I never saw in writing. So I tell him either he gets me something or to get me in touch with his manager. He sends me a screen shot from his manager where I see a vin number, color and status in Transit. I guess that will do.

The remainder of week 3 and 4 consists of me trying to track my car using LHF's website. Finally on Friday morning of week 5 the car pops up in the tracking information but I see that it is scheduled to be delivered at a dealership 2 hours away from my dealership.

Concerned I email my sales guy.
I get a response saying "Sorry, I'm not at work anymore I had accident so I'm off for a while. Don't worry we know what we are doing and we will contact you when the car arrives"

I'm not satisfied with that response so I email F/I lady. She writes back "I don't really take care of anything having to do with the car so I can't help you but I will transfer your concerns over to manager XYZ". This is the same manager I've never been able to reach. I email back saying put me in touch with xyz so that I can speak to him. I don't hear back for the whole business day.

I check the tracking number the next day "Delivered at dealership". Problem is this is the wrong dealership.

Screw it, I'm not at work and it's a beautiful day we will drive 2 hours to the other dealership and figure this out on our own.

I get to the dealership and I spot the car. The protective film was removed from the car, it has an X plate on it and dead bugs on the front. I walk into that dealership and ask to speak to a sales manager. I tell him my story and his face goes blank. He says yeah we got the car yesterday, it's for sale and we just had a couple test drive it. They are sitting in that booth over there with the salesman"

He gets me in touch with their guy in charge of dealer trades. He told me he was trying to reach my dealership for the past week about my car. Apparently my dealership never confirmed the dealer trade in the system. He said he spent the last week calling and emailing the dealership to see if they were taking this car or not and never heard back from them so he assumed that they didn't want the car anymore so they had it up for sale and that as far as he was concerned that was their car.

Now I'm livid. I call my dealership and ask to speak to manager xyz. "He's not available right now can we take a message" No give me any manager or director available now!

I speak to another guy, nice guy. I tell him the situation and he tells me that it's his 2nd day on the job, they just bought the dealership and have no idea whats going on with my file so he will look into it and call me back in soon.

We stick around the other dealership for a while as they try to sell me the car. Finally we leave and as we are driving back my dealership calls me back. He tells me it seems like there was a mistake made by a young manager who forgot to click on a button in their system to reserve the car hence why it was delivered at the wrong place, tells me he will send guys to drive it down to his dealership.

I tell him no way. I say I've given you guys a heads up about the problem and no one paid any attention to it. I was promised a brand new car, now it's already been driven by potential clients who could have beaten it. I don't need you to add another 200km's on the car when I was supposed to get one with 15kms. I'm also paying you a lot of money for a stone shield to avoid stone chips and I will not take the car if it has a stone chip on it. This is not my mistake.

He tells me he understand but he is making little money on the car and isn't sure he can get it done. Either way it's Saturday and he won't hear back from the shippers before Monday so he will get back to me then.

I talk to my buddies who still work in the auto industry and they suggested I call Nissan Canada and open a case. I called Nissan Canada and told them the problem. Dealership called me back on Monday and says "I know you called Nissan, we want to make you happy we will ship the car down but it will take 5-10 days is that ok" I say sure I'm not pressed for time. He says I wish I could do more but I'm not making anything on this car so I can't give you anything. We agree to meet on my next day off.

In the mean time Nissan Canada calls me back, Since the dealer decided to ship the car they closed my case. They see no problem with the over charging on the deposit or the fact that I had to use my personal time to go fix their problem 2 hours away from home. Whatever.

3 or 4 days go by and I drive to the dealership to meet with the manager face to face. I sit down with the manager to have a good talk with him, I like him and he seems like a good guy. From what I understand I'm not the only person to whom this is happening. The previous owners stopped all spending and all orders once they knew they were being bought out. It sounds like they purposefully didn't do their jobs because it wouldn't be their problem. He also tells me it's a very bad deal for the dealership and he never would have accepted the deal. Then he tells me that we have another problem. So the dealer that currently has the car will not release the car until they are paid and my dealership's pay system isn't working. He said he is hoping to have a check made by end of day they will send them a picture and expedite the check so that the hopefully get the check on Monday and release the car.

Monday the car wasn't released. They received 8 Z's that day and none were mine.

I drive back there on Wednesday and they give me some great news! The dealership released the car and the shipping company is picking it up today or tomorrow at the latest. Hopefully we get it Monday at the latest.

Friday rolls around and I get a call. "Good news, we got the car, bad news, our girl in charge of dealer trades got confused, she sent someone down to pickup the car so they drove it down it now had 202kms". I was so defeated at this point. I drove down to meet with him.

I park in the back, saw the car and as I was inspecting it for damage an older guy came up to me and apologized for driving it down. Said he was told to pick it up, had no clue it was going to be trucked down.

Right now I'm thinking they are ******* playing me. Everyone is telling me cancel the damn deal.

I walk in there and I ask him how the hell this could happen. He showed me an email showing the transport was booked and offered $200 off and a free oil change per year during my ownsership. He Said it brings to car down to his cost and he will be in the negative with the tints and stone shield. He tells me I can still cancel to deal. I decide to pause it so that I can think this over because at this point I'm done with these guys.

I take the whole weekend, look for alternatives or other cars and come up with nothing. Monday I call them and say ok I'll take it lets get it over with. They tell me great it will be ready Tuesday night.

About an hour later I get a call from the F&I lady and the voicemail start off with "Hi FieroAlex, I just heard that of course you are taking the car and you need it tomorrow *sigh* call me back so that I can finish your file"

I call her back and I told her your voicemail sounded like the delivery was a problem, I don't mind waiting I was told it would be ready tomorrow if you need more time how about wednesday?" she was pretty happy with that and agreed.

I visited the tint shop while the car was there. I had been to this place a few times before and the owner of the shop told me the dealership had referred to me as a difficult client and were trying to cut his cost and get stuff done on the cheap for the car. I told him the story of what went down and he couldn't believe it. I was getting extra work done by him while the car was there so I took care of my personal bill there at the same time. He took good care of my car.

Finally it's delivery day I have an appointment at 7pm. I get there and everyone is confused, no one knows who I have to see but everyone knows me as "that Z guy" so that's not a good start. Finally they get me a sales guy to finish the file and I ask to see the car. PDI was poorly done. The hood is sticking up from the headlight on one side and is lower then the headlight on the other. Seems the drivers side latch doesn't latch. The sales guy gets another 3-4 guys to look at it and they figured out the rubber bump stops for the hood weren't adjusted properly.

Then the car wasn't really cleaned. The car had nice black outlines around where the protective film used during shipping would have been located. The salesman got cleaning supplies and started cleaning the car I wanted to make sure it wasn't scratched up.

I did find a scratch on the driver's side window about 2 inches long in the bottom right corner. They signed a form saying the damage was done prior to pickup, I'm not sure how they will go about fixing it at this point. I went back to the tint guy because the dealership told me it was in the tint but the tint guy says it's in the glass and they will need to replace it for him to tint it again. It's not very visible but it's there and it bugs me but I have a feeling if I bring it back they will do it cheap and replace it with some cheap jobber window instead of an oem window.

sigh. I'm just done with that dealership. Nissan Canada was no help nor was the dealership. Granted I am not an easy customer but everything that could have gone wrong with this transaction went wrong

Wow long read but interesting. I would have cancelled after first issue. I would not let a dealer drag me down over a car and have to fix their mistakes. Hope you are happy w the car.

Ian B

Should've escalated this to Nissan Japan....then Renault. Lol

I understand you really wanted this car with this color and spec because I'm particular like that too, but I would have walked and sent a letter with this whole sorry saga to the head of Nissan Canada. I'd send the letter now anyway.

BRUTAL story. I had some awful experiences at the dealership as well. The fun part of owing this car will begin after a bit of time has lapsed between this awful experience and when you actually get some time driving it :driving:

I just don't understand how you gave them your business. Who has the right to charge your credit card for anything over the stated amount in the contract. You let them take advantage of you to say the least. I'm sorry to say, but you made a big mistake. I hope you get over this by enjoying the car and forgetting about it. You should always know when to walk away.

Well guys, here's a small update.

I was actually looking into the S2Ks because I love those as well, but the wifey doesn't like them and the high resale value for such an old car is hard to justify personally. Also, this thread helped:
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...2000-370z.html

Anyways, I think I will be posting my truck up for sale soon. If anyone is interested let me know. I take very good care of my vehicles :)
Also, PLEASE let me know if anyone can hook me up on a good deal on a Nismo. New or used (15+). Obviously it has to be clean and red/white/silver and manual.

Thanks!!

FieroAlex

Sounds like a Ontario type dealership.

Nothing but good service, attentive sales people and managers in Edmonton, Alberta. Accepted my offer of 1500 over invoice with a 1000 loyalty rebate too.

Had some trouble with the Finance officer lying about warranty and had to set him straight. He was gone by the time car arrived. Those questionnaires from Nissan and talking to the manager about the problem, calmly, does works.

The best tool you have for shopping for a new car is your feet. Don't like the deal; leave and talk to someone else. You do know you can fire your salesman and request someone else to help you.

If I walked out of a dealership, I’m not sure I would go back and ask for a different salesperson. You’re prob going to piss off your salesperson and the other salesperson maybe friends that the original salesperson. Keep in mind that your vehicles goes through a behind-the-scenes clean/inspection before you take delivery. Who knows what can happen, not to mention they have your personal information by this point. Though nothing will most likely happen, but you never know. It’s like going to a restaurant and asking for a different waiter/waitress after your food has been ordered bc s/he pissed you off and who knows what can happen to your food from the kitchen to the time it reaches your table.

I had an s2000 CR prior to switching over to Nissan. The car does run smooth and it is a fun car, however, you will be much happier with Nissan. You have to get high into the rpms before you feel like the car has any power - keyword “feel”. As you said, the s2k is a very dated car and Honda’s do hold their values. IMO the Z is a more practical car than the s2k. If you do go the Honda route, I would get the ap2.

http://www.the370z.com/370z-sale/125...6mt-socal.html
https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...trimSlug=nismo

Hope this help you to find the right nismo for you.

No offense intended to any buyer/potential buyer...but YOU are the one to seal the final deal....if a specific dealership isn't doing "you" right than move away.....I searched and searched for months for a 350z and never found "the fit" so I moved on to a 370 and got more than what I wanted. I also went used and I also waited and narrowed down my choices until it was perfect. Got great miles at a great deal with what I was looking for. With these horror stories I would've moved along and set the parameters for what I am looking for because at the end of the day you are the buyer. Maybe that dealer just sucks...Idk....but with so many options online you can find exactlt what you eant at a fair price if you just are willing and ready to negotiate and make the deals needed...

Across country and too much damage for me. Thanks though!

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6260/overview/

I'll post on the classifieds as well

Wow, no car is worth ALL that trouble. Hopefully you're happy with the car after all that.:eek:

Went to a Acura dealership to buy my mom a car awhile back. Salesman I had was a joke, gave me the "Costco pricing, the best deal you can get at any Acura dealership in the USA". Price he quoted was $1,200 above MSRP!

I told him that is price was above MSRP and he said that's the best deal I can get. I then asked for the General Manager but he wasn't in, so I got the sales manager instead and informed him that I don't wish to work with that salesperson, he asks me why, and I inform him of the distrust due to pricing situation. He said "don't worry, I'll take care of you from here on out and I'll have a talking with that sales rep". He then proceeds to tell me that the correct Costco pricing should be $500 lower than what the salesrep told me. OMG the piling on of BS never stops here! I told him forget it and leave.

As soon as I get back home, I call up the Costco auto sales program and spoke to a rep. Then I send Costco an email with all the prices in writing with the big bold letters that the salesrep wrote "Costco Price!" I CC'd that email to the GM of that dealership as well.

Very next morning, I get a call from the sales manager saying that he'll now give me $3,500 off of MSRP thanks to the GM's approval. I was hoping to get $2,500 off so that worked out. Anyway, I go back in to sign, and he says I'll get the $3,500 off under 1 condition. That I give them an excellent rating on questionaire from Acura. I agree and the deal is done.

Following day I go in to pick up the car with my mom, on the invoice I notice that the initial sales rep is on it and is receiving credit for the sale. I'm sure his commision was very small, but this dealerships BS just goes on and on. I accept the car as my mom is very happy with it and she doesn't need to get involved in all the stupidity of the sale.

When I get the survey from Acura, I rip the sales person, dealership and send back copies to them of the pricing situation. I receive a letter of apology from Acura, also thanking me for informing them of this situation. Approximately 1 year later, this dealership was no longer an authorized dealer for Acura on the island of Oahu. From that time on, I have had no desire to ever get and Acura.

Keep looking & be patient. I picked up a 2016 white NISMO-Tech with 3,800 miles in DFW in Aug 2917 for $35,300 and did not negotiate that hard.

Tony Nissan here on Oahu used to be the same way about 8 years ago. They played the same game with me, low balling my Mini, adding $4k above invoice to their cars due to "market value" and just playing games. That one time I walked out and was getting home (east side) and I get a call from them, "come back, the GM really liked you, he'll work with you". I was pissed, I told them there was no way I would drive all the way back there unless they met or at least half way met my price. He couldn't guarantee that so I hung up and bought a Lexus IS350. Fast forward 8 years and I want a Z again so I try them and they're a completely different dealership. I was very happy dealing with them this time around with my '17 Touring. The car was highly discounted, they treated me with respect, the car was cleaned up and the whole deal was perfect with no games.

THIS is all I'm asking for!! Yet, no one wants to make this deal happen...

$35300 otd?

They are hard to find and if you do, don't dickydo around or the car will be sold.

Sigh....I have another PSA for you all.

I don't know if it's just my luck or something isn't right, but I assure you guys I'm not an *** hole. Let me explain lol

Yesterday after work I went to go see this car:
https://www.woodburynissan.com/inven...Z4EH5GM934905/

My assumption: it's a leftover car that the dealer wants to get rid of and I can possibly get a good deal out of it. Even though it's marked for 39K I knew it was ridiculous and if they wanted to sell the car they would work with me.

I called earlier just to find out about the car and they said it's a left over 2016 model that they couldn't sell new anymore because it was too old and had X amount of miles over whatever the limit is. They also said it was priced to sell. Well, KBB says otherwise. According to KBB it's about 4k over. I'm sure you all think it's overpriced as well. So while I was on the phone I said I was a serious buyer and if they lower the price just to get a feel as to what they would say. I'm speaking to the internet sales lady BTW. She says it's as low as they can go because the market is dead for this type of car and it's a manual. Is anyone else confused??? You would think they would lower the price because of that! Anyways, the dealer is actually close to my in-laws in Philly, so the drive from Baltimore would be worth it no matter which way it turned out. Mind you I was prepared to purchase.

My wife and I get there and meet up the salesman. I asked him specifically about the vehicle and he showed it to us. It looked great in the sun across the street! I told him if everything checked out I'm willing to purchase the vehicle today so long as we can come to an agreement. He went back to get the keys for a test drive. I used this time to inspect the vehicle. Firstly, my wife noticed the red filling out the "O" in nismo at the rear of the vehicle was peeling and barely left. Then I noticed the a couple deep scratches at the front and rear and the car was heavily swirled. I overlooked these things as they were cosmetic and and could corrected with a good detail. Then I inspect the bumper and....it was cracked. You can't see it from the picture, but it's bad and the whole bumper would have to be replaced. That was kind of a big deal to me, but I figured this may suggest a better deal. Anyways, the salesman came back and I voiced my concerns in which he said we can have anything fixed (of course). The salesman was really nice for once haha. We proceeded to test drive the Z. Everything felt nice and I think I fell more in love with it. The wifey, who isn't big on sports cars, really liked it as well. So I drive back to the dealer and put the e-brake on and noticed the car was still rolling. I thought it was odd and maybe I didn't pull it up enough....although you shouldn't have to pull it up much. I pulled up even higher and you could hear the brakes slipping as the car was struggling to move. Basically the cable was extremely loose. Overall, things were just not looking good and my wife and I had a bad feeling about this, but we decided to proceed to at least see where things would go. Again, I voiced my concerns with the salesman and he said that was odd and they could definitely take a look into it. All of a sudden the manager comes out out of no where and he's one of the obnoxious guys who continues to tell me there isn't a single thing wrong with the vehicle as it's BRAND NEW...about 10 times. I calmly tell him it's not brand new as it's listed as CPO and I also share my concerns with him. He replies, "Let's cut to the chase. Are you going to buy the vehicle or not?" My wife and I just look at each other and we're like WTF?? I tell the guy I'm from Baltimore and I came here to make a deal on what I thought was a nismo in pristine condition. I continue to tell him it's a big purchase and I have to think about it especially with the issues I found. He continues to say it's brand new and that he doesn't know why I'm knit picking things...he end's up walking back inside with an angry face. I was thoroughly confused at this point and my wife and I were definitely on the same wavelength. I turned around to the salesmen and told him he treated us very well, but he lost this sale because of his manager. My wife and I left to get burgers after.

I know - another long story. My point is this car isn't a "steal" like one would think. I'm pretty sure something happened with this car and the dealer is just covering it up. I hope this helps anyone who is looking into it.

So big question, how much did you want to pay for this car?

Keep looking. You will know when you have found the correct one. Sounds like you want a brand new car at a used price. That's not gonna happen on a Nismo.

My ebrake was “loose” a week after I bought it. Cables stretch, that’s why they’re adjustable. 436 miles is a brand new car to me, regardless of some cosmetic damage. What do you want to pay? Did you make an offer?

Before discovering the overall condition of the vehicle, I wanted to pay 36 OTD max. Again, I used KBB as a guide.

I was going to make an offer until the manager came out with his show. Something just didn't feel right about the car, so I didn't want to waste time for anyone and the manager just sealed the decision for us. Like Spooler said, it has to feel right and this certainly did not.

You guys are right in that it's basically brand new, but that's not how it's listed and I don't expect to see a cracked bumper on a "new" vehicle. My family always buys new cars and never experienced a loose e-brake. My brother's nismo never had any issues. I'm still mad he sold it lol

Ideally I'd like to buy from a forum member. I'm really starting to hate dealerships.

There's gotta be a reason the car has been sitting stale for over 2 years. Something I forgot to mention when I originally called to inquire about the vehicle, the internet sales manager said, "even if it was in an accident we would fix everything and mark it as CPO and it would still be in like new condition." I just found it odd she mentioned that.

Do what i did to buy my 13 nismo. I looked on cargurus. found a lot around the country. I.E. i am in Fla. Found one in Ga. i knew i wanted one from a warm weather state. call dealership on ph told them i was ready to buy and was coming outta st. so don't play games with me about the condition. They really can't lie over the ph because i was flying in to see it and if it wasn't like they said over the ph i would be back on a plane to south fl. well it was what they said and i bought the car and drove it home. Oh yea they payed for my flight $105. But remember this these cars are low to the ground. before you buy make sure they put it on a lift so you can see the undercarriage.

Another caveat:
When I was shopping for a Nismo last summer, one thing I discovered was that the "internet sales" person that you get when you call the number on a big dealer's website frequently doesn't work at or for the dealership. They work for a third party call center that may be in Timbuktu somewhere and basically have a script that they follow to tell you whatever will get you in the dealer's door. So you're not told about the cracked bumper or where the 435 miles were put on or anything else.

Now I call information for the dealer's number and try to get a real salesperson via that route.

I am not taking side here, but Sale managers are paid to sell cars, and they profile all the potential customers for obvious reasons.

Since you took the time to see the car, you probably should have made the offer and see, reasonable or not. those issues seem minor if they are willing fix them.

I personally don't know the fair value for your location, but the car does look pretty good on the pics.

What no camaro comparisons or chevrolet dealer experience reports?

:stirthepot:

Hey Ian spend part of the Holiday week in your state, 1st of all got an airfare to DFW for 62.00 was picked up at the airport and driven to Corvette World. When I arrived that Grand Sport Corvette was a revelation. Luckly I had some good friends in Frisco part of Dallas that let me stay a day and half with garage space. Great state, nice people but Dallas is intemadating. The trip back was epic left Frisco at 12 noon on the 4th got to little rock before refueling, next up was Memphis then on to Nashville 2nd fillup and I went through downtown as the fireworks went off. Arrived in Louisville at 11:45pm, 740 miles in just under 12 hours, this C7 is fabulous.

Yes, That's where I bought my 13Z in 2012. I had their Fleet Sales Manager, John Kakazu, who used to work for Servco (Toyota) for 15 plus years before moving to Tony. Servco, as you may know, does not sell any of their cars above MSRP, whether it be Chevrolet, Subaru or Toyota.

John took the same approach as Servco, no additional BS mark up above MSRP on any Nissan cars at Tony, even the GTR, if they had one in stock. He was a pleasure to work with and I ended up getting a very good deal on the Z. Unfortunately, John has passed away since then, and the auto sales world has lost a truly good one.

I don't judge but if I agreed with the Sales Manager to give them excellent ratings, I would have given them that. Or don't submit the survey at all.

Seems like I found all the best Nismo deals in Florida.

On a recent car purchase my salesman wanted me to give him all 10's
Then gave me a heads up about a survey question asking if a salesman indeed asked for 10's, and he told me to say "no".

Guy was unpleasant for the most part, so he surely didn't deserve squat. Considered calling him out on it, but eh. Just didn't touch the survey period.

hadokenuh, I guess our moral compasses differ.

I have no regret in doing what I did, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again in a heartbeat, if another unsrupulous dealership attempted this on me again. Here's why and I'll share it in a story that happens everyday, in neighborhoods across our country.

Let's say your pet dog goes missing from your yard and you find the gate you always lock, unlocked. You then go out posting lost dog signs in your neighborhood.

A day later, someone calls and says, I think I found your dog wandering on the street. He then says, he'll return the dog to your house under two conditions. 1) a $300 reward. 2) We just keep this between the two of us as I don't want any fanfare. You tell him, you agree.

Unbeknownst to him, you have a video of him breaking into your gate and taking your dog. You recognize him as someone who lives a block away from a friends home.

What you're telling me, is that your moral compass would make you pay the $300, and shut up because you agreed.

My moral compass tells me, get the cops involved, show them the video and have them bust his *** when he drops off my dog.

So now, here's the question, who has done your neighborhood and society a favor?

Not sure if you are still looking for a Nismo, however here is one for sale in upstate NY:
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=213754355

Good luck.