Like the engineer that designed toyota's multi-million dollar gas pedal screw up? "Trust me it'll work!" I might listen to an engineer a little more often if they traded the chip on their shoulder for an ounce of common sence and some real world experience. Who do engineers find out about problems from.....oh yeah those bottom of the barrel, dealing with it everyday, mechanics. :tup:

The design may be flawless but the production wasn't? I guess that remains to be determined. The mechanics didn't discover the accelerator problem it was the poor blokes who ended up crashing stating that the accelerator stuck. The engineers were called in to analyse the problem and confirm there was indeed a problem. Design or manufacturing? Again, who knows? But Toyota did the right thing in my opinion. Come right out and accept responsibility rather than sit on the fence and hope the problem goes away. That never works!

IMHO and it's just my opinion and not directed at anyone in particular, there are too many 'bean counters' in these forums thinking they have the technical/engineering background to field questions from other forum members because they read it somewhere else on the internet or from their or others anecdotal, undocumented experiences that they think will apply to the rest of us. I find there are only a very few in this forum that truly give a technically sound and practical answers to questions posted in here. Unfortuneately and through no fault of their own, there are a lot of naive or non-technical types seeking knowledge but don't have the ability to filter out the BS from other "authoritative" members. If people would just take the time to read their owner's manual, a lot of needless discussions would not have been posted. But, we are the way we are and look for the laziest way to get our answers with some exceptions of course. And yes, it does become annoying when a simple search would have satisfied their concerns or a quick read of the manual. So, it's no wonder some have observed as of late that the forums are possibly not the quality one should expect from a group of Z enthusiasts and potential Z owners. Yeah, I know, I have the option not to read the forums or even be a member. But I do own a Z and I too come in here searching for knowledge about this car and how to make it perform better. In summary, I guess I'll just suck it up and carry on.:tiphat:

engineers: "baby the car for the first 1,200 miles."

mechanics: "drive it hard right away."

me: "it's better to be safe than to be sorry :)"