So you think putting an engine at the extreme rear of the car is good for handling then. Explain.

Let's put it another way, if Porsche ever dropped one of their high-end engines into a Cayman it would not only smoke any 911 variant it would piss off the 911 fanbois...which is exactly why they've never done it.

EDIT: enough of this, keep it on-topic, create a 911 thread, I'll be glad to participate.

Well, while I disagree on the looks, that's certainly subjective. I do believe 99% of the population also disagree with you, however.

As for the engine being in the worst possible location, no, that would be at the extreme FRONT end of the car where it would hinder cornering AND traction in a RWD car (understeer city with tons of wheelspin when accelerating). ;)

More to the point, proper engineering has allowed Porsche to almost fully tame the 911 in terms of snap oversteer. I've actually been in a GT3 and it's nowhere near as unforgiving as a 968 or 993 and the cornering limits are astonishing.

Add in the investment loss when you sell the thing for half what you put into it and you're at the cost of a GT3. There, we're done. :D

I can't imagine what a car would handle like with an engine in the extreme front, lol, wow. I stand by my statement. There is a reason this is the only car on the planet short of a Mexican Beetle that has an engine in this location. The proper engineering you refer to is an expensive band-aid. The Cayman is a much better-handling automobile. The only reason this car exists is to satisfy a hard-core fanboi-base. If you lift off the throttle mid-corner, yes it is better than a 968, but you can't engineer out all that weight wanting to turn the car 180 degrees. Simple physics.

Haha, well done. Agreed.

haha I know exactly what you mean...after all I've been living in Japan for three years now. I think I'm actually going to go to the shop, maybe see if I can get a ride!(would totally be badass) The question is, I wonder how his english is because my japanese is horrible.

I don't see how that is "rice" only place I've been where you see rampant "rice" is the United States...but no need to start this debate.

uh, this is a shop car fella, probably not going to be sold, and I'm sure they can handle a loss, the point of the article is that the car is being built for time attack and will compete with the elite, I think you're getting way off track with your logic.

i want... Nowwwww!!!!

The sad part is you can't explain that to people. It's pure hatred of JDM culture and tuning.

When I say rice, I say rice whereby rice = tacky.

It looks tacky. My opinion. That's it.

And I grew up in Japan so spare me the nonsense about not respecting JDM.

Yes you are correct. Spending the cost of the car to modify it so it can compete with a gt3 is probably beyond most people's budget. Worth the time and effort? Well apparently for this shop it is.

If we're looking at a race application as in this issue, a gt3 costs significantly more in regards to parts and maintenance. The newer Porsche cars aren't as simple to work on as a Nissan. If this 370 has every intention to be tracked and competed, you have platform with cheaper parts. Cheaper parts makes the 370z a more flexible platform to modify than a gt3.

But hands down, if I had 112K that I intended on spending on car, I would pick up a gt3 over a heavily modded 370z in heart beat.

I agree with him, the engine is not in the best postion it can be, i believe the Zed does look better. And yes the Porsche does look like it was designed 50 years ago, can't they come up with a new shape. So what the **** are you talking about.

Because they got it right from the start. The 911 shape is an evolution.

Can't they come up with a new shape? Why did Nissan have to go back and source lines from the 240 for the 370? :shakes head:

If they'd just paint the whole car red instead of having all the off color pieces, it would look more legit.

That was an interesting read...

I've driven a GT3, you think the Nismo is a bad street car that GT3 is a skateboard! Bumpy as all hell, loud as can be but still a bad *** car just the same. Comparing a 30-40K car to a 115K car just doesnt add up.

Regardless of what car you prefer, I would much rather take that 115K and buy a Touring Z and a track Z. Plus have $ to fix them both up.

We had an older Turbo (02 996TT). It was a WONDERFUL car and as much as I love my Z, you can't compare. But again...we're talking about MUCH more $$$$ and when my warranty expired terribly pricey to keep up.

If things go well, I'd like to have both but it wouldnt be a GT3, that's a rich mans track car and definitely not a fun daily driver. Just my 2 cents..

why does the gt3 always come up as the top of the line ultimate porsche? the gt2 has more power, and posts faster laptimes yet no one ever mentions it?

I would rather have a NA car then a turbo car.

You're right but that's REALLY in a different league, that's another $50K or so isn't it?

So you think this heavily modified car is going to go up against a STOCK GT3 in a Time Attack series? :icon18:

Shop cars are almost always sold eventually, primarily because they want to get on to new and better projects.

Someone's off on their logic. It ain't me. ;)

From the looks of their shop, they're not exactly rolling in money, either.

why? some of the fastest cars out there are turbo. besides, comparisons almost always include cars like sti, evo, gtr, amg cars which are turbo/super, but only include the 911 gt3 and not the gt2?

True, but comparison tests usually compare the "ultimate" or top of the line of each company, regardless of price tag. that's why the same test can feature cars from the zr1, viper, gtr, 911 turbo, all the way up to ferrari 430, murcielago, sl65 black series, etc.....

i know people favor the gt3 over gt2 because its easier to drive consistently on a track while the gt2 needs a lot more driver skill to go fast. but same can be said about the zr1 yet it pops out in almost every comparison test.

regardless. whatever happens, you still forget the very good pr they will get from this. lots of media exposure for them as the guys who were able to get a nissan fairlady z to go as fast as porsche's popular supercar (assuming they succed in their plan). this alone may generate a lot of traffic to their shop as people would send cars over there to be tuned.

Different idea of what people want, I like turbo/superchargers but at the end of the day, a NA car is just so sweet. Balance of torque & HP without the need of turbo/supercharger is what I love.

Well you can think of it this way... at least they are trying to compete with a GT3 it could be worse at least the Z has people very excited about the idea of competing on that echelon. You could drive a scion XB and need to hevily mod it to beat a stock civic ex... Most costom shops love the nissan cars over in japan and that it why tehy are so excited over this one. I personally think that if any prestigeous car company like MCR and others that you see in every zine are looking at the car you drive thats a good idea that the car you drive is okay... i am very envious of everyone I want my z so bad!

I'm going to prove a point

I'm building my own GT3 Killer and its going to cost me $60K

Who has a GT3 that wants to race me in about 6 months when its done?

HAHAHAHAHAHA...kidding......sort of!!!! :ughdance::ughdance::ughdance::ughdance:

I like projects like this. But anytime you spend loads of money to run with or beat a stock car, call it car x killer, you will invite these kinds of comments. Modded vs stock for bragging rights is lamer than Lazarus. I would, however, like to see them push the Z34 platform, in streetcar form mind you, to GT3 levels.

To get 415 NA crank hp from a VQ37 will be a serious challenge and thats just one notch on the list to GT3 performance much less GT3 BEATING performance. Imho if they do end up beating the GT3 around a track it will be mostly due to suspension tuning as I just dont see them getting over 415hp out of this motor NA. Regardless the better car will always be the GT3.

I'm baffled at people calling the MCR 370 "rice."

when looking at out of the box though I think the GTR would beat the GT3 when comparing two cars of the same level "Out of the Box!"

So my point is at least Nissan has something to compete with it

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@Red370, i bet you've been waiting and waiting for the perfect moment to use that one! lol

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