370z, a better bargain than some think!
 

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The base 370z in Japan is $47,900, which is over $17,000 more expensive than in the U.S. . A Corvette Grand Sport in Japan is $112,633. A corvette is over $47,000 more expensive in Japan. Which means in the U.S. you can own a corvette Grand Sport and a Nismo tech 370z automatic for the price of a single corvette grand sport in Japan.

We basically get a $17,000 discount over here for the Z, vs the up-charge they get both on their own domestic vehicle and the USDM corvette.

Here in the U.S. You can buy a base Nismo as cheap as $40,000 out the door or a loaded Nismo down to the auto as low as $45,000 new. Those are actual research of dealer pricing vs the MSRP that we all know is kind of inflated for our market if we look at the Z in an isolated type of logic. You can buy a corvette grand sport for as low as $58,000 with current rebates and a stingray at about $52,000.

The Z nismo is about $12,000 and 100HP lower than the corvette grand sport.

If you look at it? A TOYOTA 86 is about $26,000 and 32,000 fully loaded and the BRZ is about $27,000 and $33,000 fully loaded. At $33,000 you can have a base sport 370z with a 125HP advantage or a BRZ with a 500lb weight advantage? But going with a base BRZ will only net you a savings of around $3,000. I don't know if you can discount the BRZ/86. But let's bring them both down to $25,000. It's still only a $5,000 savings in America vs the $12,000 you get opting for a Z over a vette.

At the very end, it all boils down to the individual and what they value. One man's junk is another man's treasure. But I think the Z has gotten a bad rap for not having enough power for the money.

A camaro or mustang might compete in the same pricing offering that 100HP gap like a vette. But the still can't offer the driving dynamics of a low slung, 2 seated with a suitably powerful engine and handling as direct as you can make a hydraulic steering unit and maintaining FEEDBACK. Something that today's sports cars lack.

Yup, I'd say, the Z is STILL a performance bargain. Even if slightly dated. If the Z was 3100lbs? It would've been perfection as a performance package for the money.

Out of all the cars you noted, the Z is also the sexiest!

what about the mustang gt? and focus rs?

He addressed the stang:


"A camaro or mustang might compete in the same pricing offering that 100HP gap like a vette. But the still can't offer the driving dynamics of a low slung, 2 seated with a suitably powerful engine and handling as direct as you can make a hydraulic steering unit and maintaining FEEDBACK. Something that today's sports cars lack."

As for the RS, it's a sweet hot-hatch, but not a sportscar, which may be why it wasn't included in his post.

I made mention of camaro and mustang. I stated that those cars though May have more power. Do not have the same driving dynamics as a 2 seated (paraphrasing). The focus is NOT an FR platform car.

tru tru. what about the genesis coupe 3.8?

It's s great first attempt at a sports car.the evolution over the course of one generation was remarkable. But the Genesis coupe has ECU programming that hinders it from being as good as it can be. It's Brembos have been engineered with too many cost cutting shortcuts and finally, the transmission response which is probably hindered by poor ecu tuning is subpar by comparison to the Z. Finally. It's wheelbase and weight distribution don't allow it to be a true competitor once on track. It's still a 2+2.

The only reason I can add the 86 to the mix is.... despite being a 4 seater. It's still has 2 seater dimensions, driving dynamics and weight. The Genny doesn't Nor does the camaro or any muscle. We can compare Porsche but I was comaring more attainable marks...

Agreed. My Genny is a FANTASTIC GT car for the money. As a sports car it falls short against the Z. Though IMHO it's a better GT car than either a mustang or camaro. For the money that is.

if nissan only kept updating the 370..... direct injection w/ side port inj. would be a sweet mid cycle refresh ~would easily squeeze out another 20-30ponies. ( I can already picture a 370hp 370z lol)

aside that a headunit refresh with apple carplay would do wonders to this platform.

shoulda woulda coulda... ahh, it's still a great platform,

Guys,
The base Lotus Elise hasn't been really updated since its release in the 90's and it is still the holy grail of true sports cars. Sure it got some different engine options but not anything significantly different in horsepower. Just saying.


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I don't care for direct injection gas engines due to all the carbon build up issues that come over time.

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I feel the same way. The Z (especially the sport) is an amazing buy for the money. It gives you a raw old school sports car experience that is missing from nearly every other car on the market. To me, the Cayman is the ultimate modern sports car, but the Z represents a simpler formula and has a character that is unmatched for its price point.

The sporty coupe segment is huge now though. Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers are killing power per dollar segment and have become much better all around cars in terms of tech and handling. Still there is something about the Z's formula that just sets it apart for me, but that's because I love sports cars. It's a niche for sure.

Mustang has a bad reputation, its like shopping at Walmart for your clothes. Too many people can afford it, too many people own it, quality is in question. It has a reputation from long ago as the mullet wearing loser car.

Focus RS is a F.ing Focus....its history is cheap econo box, its ugly, every chick that sees it thinks its just a slow loser focus... and for the price you honestly do not want a reputation of economy car following you around, you want both performance and looks.

They are both great performance cars, and I honestly like them both from this aspect....but for the package the Z is better.

The Z does not have that reputation it is known as a drivers car. It has amazing looks, Japanese built (quality) and its true enthusiast performance car. So for the price of the two cars mentioned above you get amazing looks, a great historical reputation, good performance...cant be beat...

Hate direct injection also....it is a PITA to clean and for the benefits which are questionable at best...give me port all day long.

Genesis coupe let me ad is plagued with transmission issues. I considered the genesis... until I read up on these issues....
Dont believe me?... how about a 118 page thread on their webpage: :icon17:
OFFICIAL THREAD: Manual Transmission Issues - Hyundai Genesis Forum

Cant beat our reliability...our CSC is crap but its a 1 to 2k fix versus a 10k fix that never really gets fixed...:shakes head:

:iagree: Genesis, shmenisis, I looked at it for about 30 seconds when I was looking for a sporty car. There is nothing inspirational or sexy about this car.

Well at least they have 10 years or 100k miles to have their transmission replaced for free as apposed to Nissan's 3/36K if your slave fails.

How many people own cars for more that 10 years nowadays? It wouldn't be a determining factor, at least not for me.

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At least that's how toyota went about solving the carbon build up and the refreshed mustang 5.0, port injection is still there to keep the carbon from accumulating.

Thats the problem ...we can actually fix ours they get a swap from a POS trans to another POS hyundai trans until the warranty runs out and they have a POS trans...that breaks down....:rofl2:

What about Hyundai? go south korea:stirthepot:

such a painful thread to read
8 (incomplete) topics thrown into one post, with redirects following

So you'd prefer to pay and waste the better part of your day rather then get a replacement for free for 10 years at which is a moot point since most people will get another car by then. Even our '09s would still be covered and their problem is just annoying where as ours leaves you stranded.

So you would rather prefer to have a grinding transmission that drives like crap the majority of the time, instead of a 1 time incident that can be fixed right and then your done?
Lets don't forget the down time you have as they work on removing your transmission and changing it to another faulty transmission that will eventually grind again.

Well it solved it for a lot of them. It doesn't take a week to replace at best 1 day with courtesy car. And guess what our lovely snychros are a pos too, search 370z grinding 2nd. I understand brand loyalty but blind loyalty is just stupid.

Here in Canada u can get a new 2017 base 370z for $29,000 + tax,that's just over $21,000 USD with exchange.Best bargain out there as far as I'm concerned.For whatever reason we lowered the price of the base out here,but if you want a sport version the only option is the sport/touring version at $44,100 CAD,not such a bargain.

No way you can compare the overall package you get with the Z to a Genesis. That is stupid... I simply added another flaw (transmission) that the OP did not mention but he summarized its flaws pretty good... maybe you missed his post?

Plus there is no way it takes them one day to do a Trans swap...on top of that you have to get them to approve the switch, which I read sometimes they try to play it off and change fluids etc. Then when it gets worse they change it. So you have a high probability of having a car that drives like a pos for awhile until they approve the swap.

Our snycrhos as you mentioned ...do not have a thread devoted to them that has 118 pages. No way comparable to the degree of their issues...

You can handle it....gotta multitask...:tup:

I agree on the radio, they should've added more soft touch on the radio. There's other types of tuning they could've done to get that extra HP, like the manifold would've been 10 extra right there and more aggressive cam tuning.

Having a warranty and warranty politics are two different entities. I've been able to get Nissan to fix things out of warranty just because it's a known issue. Try that with Hyundai.

Besides.... ours is more racecar. A Lil flashback of a forgotten memory.:tup::driving:

https://youtu.be/77MstcS02Z8.

I've been finding brand new NISMO 370z as low as $38,855 auto and Nismo tech manual at $40,045

Once you talk those prices for a Nismo brand new. Its TRULY a value purchase. I think the standard Nismo is worth 40k and with the tech it's worth 41.5. Add another 1,200 in my head since its really not updated.

So in my head, the most loaded Nismo should be about $43k est and not its MSRP of about $48,045. And that's exactly what most dealers sell them for.

So while there's plenty of debate about Nissan's MSRP. Reality shows its a pretty good deal. Especially when you can find them as cheap as $38,800 brand spanking new with auto.

Mind showing me/us where you see the 38,800 posting? :D

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