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Louie cat 11-20-2016 05:55 AM

Rev match scare
 
I was on my way to work yesterday afternoon ,having a little fun in the Z. Anyway I was doing around 75 and had to slow down for traffic getting on the highway,so I wanted to drop her in 4th to get back up to speed ,I accidentally put it in the 2nd gear hole and it scared the hell out of me so I immediately took it out and put it in 4th. I am not sure but I think it revved to 6k or a little more. I didn't like it at all and it was bugging me all night thinking I hurt something. Got in it this morning to go home all was normal ,but ?I hate the fact it happened.
Anyone else with the manual have this happen? This is what I hate about rev match!

AlWakRa 11-20-2016 06:27 AM

Don't worry, everything is fine.

I drive it at the track 5k+ rpm and downshifts to 7k+ to slow quickly without issues :)

After I bought the car I was practicing shifting faster and got it wrong, at the end of 3rd gear shifted to second, luckly, I noticed instantly and disengaged the gear, it would go over 8k. More than 10k miles after what happened without issues.

cv129 11-20-2016 06:49 AM

if it wasn't for the rev match warning, You might have released the clutch in second gear. Rev match might have spared you and the engine in this case.

RonRizz 11-20-2016 08:07 AM

:iagree: And Fixed post for you!:tiphat:
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Originally Posted by Louie cat (Post 3580025)
This is what I LOVE about rev match!


Louie cat 11-20-2016 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AlWakRa (Post 3580035)
Don't worry, everything is fine.

I drive it at the track 5k+ rpm and downshifts to 7k+ to slow quickly without issues :)

After I bought the car I was practicing shifting faster and got it wrong, at the end of 3rd gear shifted to second, lucky, I noticed instantly and disengaged the gear, it would go over 8k. More than 10k miles after what happened without issues.

Down shifts at 7k?! I dont feel so bad now, wow these motors are really almost bullet proof.

AlWakRa 11-20-2016 12:03 PM

Just to be more exact, I downshift lets say from 6k in 4th to 7k in 3rd gear as example. Just making sure I am not misunderstood :). Going over that mechanically will blow the engine for sure.

And I agree with the guys, SRM is saving the engine when I get excited with g force LOL

Chuck33079 11-20-2016 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Louie cat (Post 3580025)
I am not sure but I think it revved to 6k or a little more. I didn't like it at all and it was bugging me all night thinking I hurt something. Got in it this morning to go home all was normal ,but ?I hate the fact it happened.
Anyone else with the manual have this happen? This is what I hate about rev match!

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Originally Posted by Louie cat (Post 3580072)
Down shifts at 7k?! I dont feel so bad now, wow these motors are really almost bullet proof.

What are you concerned about? The redline is set at 7500 rpm. It's perfectly save to rev to the limiter. Nissan wouldn't set the redline that high unless it was safe.

kenchan 11-20-2016 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Louie cat (Post 3580025)
I was on my way to work yesterday afternoon ,having a little fun in the Z. Anyway I was doing around 75 and had to slow down for traffic getting on the highway,so I wanted to drop her in 4th to get back up to speed ,I accidentally put it in the 2nd gear hole and it scared the hell out of me so I immediately took it out and put it in 4th. I am not sure but I think it revved to 6k or a little more. I didn't like it at all and it was bugging me all night thinking I hurt something. Got in it this morning to go home all was normal ,but ?I hate the fact it happened.
Anyone else with the manual have this happen? This is what I hate about rev match!

its a good warning not to mechanically put the car into 2nd while going 75mph. cause datz how u destroy ur engine. the rev itself wont hurt it as there is fuel and u got rev limiter.

Nithmo 11-20-2016 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3580143)
its a good warning not to mechanically put the car into 2nd while going 75mph. cause datz how u destroy ur engine. the rev itself wont hurt it as there is fuel and u got rev limiter.

What are you talking about? Fuel has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of times there is no fuel being injected- like when downshifting in high rpm and not hitting the throttle. The engine doesn't need to inject fuel because it is moving so fast, it just keeps moving on its own. It's more your rods breaking or your valves staying open and burning out due to the engine spinning faster than it is intended to.

The rev limiter won't save your engine on a downshift either. The synchro rev will push RPM up until redline, but only if the clutch is still pushed in all the way. As soon as you release the clutch, there is nothing the car can do to stop the engine from over revving and destroying itself.

Louie cat 11-20-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RonRizz (Post 3580059)
:iagree: And Fixed post for you!:tiphat:

Thanks! LOL!

Louie cat 11-20-2016 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo (Post 3580145)
What are you talking about? Fuel has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of times there is no fuel being injected- like when downshifting in high rpm and not hitting the throttle. The engine doesn't need to inject fuel because it is moving so fast, it just keeps moving on its own. It's more your rods breaking or your valves staying open and burning out due to the engine spinning faster than it is intended to.

The rev limiter won't save your engine on a downshift either. The synchro rev will push RPM up until redline, but only if the clutch is still pushed in all the way. As soon as you release the clutch, there is nothing the car can do to stop the engine from over revving and destroying itself.

I knew that and that is why as soon as I heard it wind up like that I never released the clutch, I put it in 4th right away and continued on. The good thing here is I have an extended mechanical warranty until 2019 and 76,000 miles, I currently have 48k on her right now. I still dont want anything to happen though.

ayrton88 11-20-2016 04:40 PM

It's amazing to me that some people continue to believe that the rev limiter will save them from the money shift.

Nithmo 11-20-2016 05:12 PM

If anything, the synchro rev acts as a warning bell, if you're not down shifting too fast. The worst that will happen is the engine will hit the rpm redline and bounce off it, but not surpass it. That in itself isn't anything to worry about. Only when you let go the clutch, will it go past. And then you spend mooooon-neeeeeh!!!

cv129 11-20-2016 05:38 PM

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:stirthepot: Sorry in advance OP, but I gotta point this out. A few months ago, in another thread, you posted:

"you can shift at 6k all day long and it will never hurt the engine. that is not even touching red line."

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post3527514

And now you worry about one single no-load rev. I am confused :confused::rofl2:

Tick64 11-20-2016 05:41 PM

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onzedge 11-20-2016 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3580143)
its a good warning not to mechanically put the car into 2nd while going 75mph. cause datz how u destroy ur engine. the rev itself wont hurt it as there is fuel and u got rev limiter.

:iagree:

Louie cat 11-21-2016 12:46 AM

:iagree:
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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3580203)
:stirthepot: Sorry in advance OP, but I gotta point this out. A few months ago, in another thread, you posted:

"you can shift at 6k all day long and it will never hurt the engine. that is not even touching red line."

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post3527514

And now you worry about one single no-load rev. I am confused :confused::rofl2:


kenchan 11-21-2016 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo (Post 3580145)
What are you talking about? Fuel has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of times there is no fuel being injected- like when downshifting in high rpm and not hitting the throttle. The engine doesn't need to inject fuel because it is moving so fast, it just keeps moving on its own. It's more your rods breaking or your valves staying open and burning out due to the engine spinning faster than it is intended to.

The rev limiter won't save your engine on a downshift either. The synchro rev will push RPM up until redline, but only if the clutch is still pushed in all the way. As soon as you release the clutch, there is nothing the car can do to stop the engine from over revving and destroying itself.

do urself a favor and re-read da post.

SG4247 11-21-2016 09:23 AM

I drive my Z 60 miles a day, as a driver in heavy interstate traffic.

It gets to 7200-7500 at least twice a day. I generally drive the AT in M, and can shift it just before redline now by feel.

I did jump on it the other day thinking it was in M, but it was in D. I upshifted it manually by instinct, and it went to Neutral since the shifter was in the wrong slot. It went to 7700 immediately, since my foot was flat on the floor! This is not good - since there is no load on the crank. Hasn't seemed to have bothered it at all.

Keep good clean oil in it, at the correct fill level and temperature, and this engine will tolerate a lot of abuse.

BehindSpace 11-22-2016 04:38 PM

revmatch will not hurt the engine, this is not an issue

jaedub 11-22-2016 04:54 PM

I was around 7k RPM on 4th gear and was about to shoot it to 5th but I accidently shot it to 3rd. Engine screamed and I felt terrible. But nothing happened afterward. VQs are pretty solid engine.

Louie cat 11-23-2016 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub (Post 3580943)
I was around 7k RPM on 4th gear and was about to shoot it to 5th but I accidently shot it to 3rd. Engine screamed and I felt terrible. But nothing happened afterward. VQs are pretty solid engine.

Mine wasn't quite so high ,but that was the same feeling I had! happy thanks giving ;)

mishuko 11-23-2016 08:36 AM

I neutral rev all the time. I hit redline in first and 2nd more frequently than not. I sit at 4k rpm when I'm near a prius.

I slow down and downshift entering a tunnel and wot redline through it.

Aslong as your temps are good it's fine.
Hmm

B&W_Evader 11-23-2016 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3581197)
I neutral rev all the time. I hit redline in first and 2nd more frequently than not. I sit at 4k rpm when I'm near a prius.

I slow down and downshift entering a tunnel and wot redline through it.

Aslong as your temps are good it's fine.
Hmm

Remind me not to buy a used car from you. :drama:

ayrton88 11-23-2016 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by B&W_Evader (Post 3581200)
Remind me not to buy a used car from you. :drama:

My God, no kidding!

Nithmo 11-23-2016 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3580322)
do urself a favor and re-read da post.

I did, and I still think you're incredibly wrong :rofl2:

shirokenkami 11-25-2016 08:45 AM

It's quite safe to blip the throttle to that point.


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