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cab83_750 12-01-2009 02:01 AM

Racing fuel in a Z
 
A station here is selling racing fuel. Say you 'accidentally' filled her up with racing fuel, what would happen?

AK370Z 12-01-2009 02:21 AM

This will happen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQ5mRq9kes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQ5mRq9kes

CBRich 12-01-2009 07:28 AM

Knock Sensors FTW.

kannibul 12-01-2009 08:08 AM

Personally, I wouldn't "accidently" put anything other than 91-93 octane in my Z.

Anything above that is a waste, anything below that risks the engine.

CBRich 12-01-2009 08:13 AM

Clearly anything above is not a waste as shown by the video above.

Chan Chee Hoe 12-01-2009 08:21 AM

Shell claimed their V-power that sell worldwide is 99% same as the ones put into the Ferrari F-1 team...

kannibul 12-01-2009 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan Chee Hoe (Post 302246)
Shell claimed their V-power that sell worldwide is 99% same as the ones put into the Ferrari F-1 team...

1% can be a huge difference with fuel.

imag 12-01-2009 09:03 AM

As the video shows, some amount of high octane is not a waste in this car - the timing adjusts and you get some of the benefit. I definitely notice the difference when I put in a few gallons at the track (of course, our maximum normally available octane here is 91).

I'm not saying to fill the tank with 107, but mixing in some 107 can have noticeable affect. My guess is the max usable octane is about 96 or so, at which point you stop getting any benefit with the stock motor.

ianthegreat 12-01-2009 09:06 AM

My buddy and I go to the strip a lot. He drives the 370z. If anything you are advancing the timing due to the octane - it wouldn't hurt.

We basically coast our cars on empty then fill w/ around 3-4 gallons on VP109 (101 octane). BIG improvement.

Your ECU needs time to adapt. A couple WOT pulls should be good.

lovethe370z 12-01-2009 09:11 AM

The engine's VVEL is pure awesomeness

kannibul 12-01-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imag (Post 302258)
As the video shows, some amount of high octane is not a waste in this car - the timing adjusts and you get some of the benefit. I definitely notice the difference when I put in a few gallons at the track (of course, our maximum normally available octane here is 91).

I'm not saying to fill the tank with 107, but mixing in some 107 can have noticeable affect. My guess is the max usable octane is about 96 or so, at which point you stop getting any benefit with the stock motor.

As the video indicates, it's oxygenated fuel. Leans it way out and make it burn hotter.

ChrisSlicks 12-01-2009 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 302440)
As the video indicates, it's oxygenated fuel. Leans it way out and make it burn hotter.

:iagree: It's not the octane, it's the oxygen content. If you tried the same experiment with high-octane non-oxygenated fuel you would not gain any power, you might actually lose power.

kannibul 12-01-2009 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianthegreat (Post 302262)
My buddy and I go to the strip a lot. He drives the 370z. If anything you are advancing the timing due to the octane - it wouldn't hurt.

We basically coast our cars on empty then fill w/ around 3-4 gallons on VP109 (101 octane). BIG improvement.

Your ECU needs time to adapt. A couple WOT pulls should be good.

Placebo

Do a few drag runs with 91, then do a few with 101.

ChrisSlicks 12-01-2009 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianthegreat (Post 302262)
My buddy and I go to the strip a lot. He drives the 370z. If anything you are advancing the timing due to the octane - it wouldn't hurt.

We basically coast our cars on empty then fill w/ around 3-4 gallons on VP109 (101 octane). BIG improvement.

Your ECU needs time to adapt. A couple WOT pulls should be good.

VP109 is oxygenated and is 105 octane (R+M/2). Given that you can't advance the timing or increase compression most of the gain will be from the oxygen content.

kannibul 12-01-2009 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 302449)
:iagree: It's not the octane, it's the oxygen content. If you tried the same experiment with high-octane non-oxygenated fuel you would not gain any power, you might actually lose power.

It's amazing how much octane is thrown around as a way to increase HP.

The car is designed to run on 91. Running less than that trips the knock sensors to retard timing. It won't advance timing due to higher octane - in fact, the car won't even "know" that it's running on higher octane, it simply knows that the knock sensors aren't tripping.


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