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cab83_750 11-14-2009 05:37 PM

To sell or not to sell
 
Some of you may know that my beloved Z burns oil. Well the engine finally came and I am waiting for Monday to make an appt with the dealer.

So here is the deal:

With 8000 miles on the chassis and zero or so miles on the engine, should I sell?

Any pluses or minuses on having a new engine?

I love the Z but I am still craving for a 993 Porsche. I do have an extra 911 project that I can rebuild; thus I have no problem keeping the Z.

Thanks guys!

P.s.

Just somewhat disappointed about a brand new car burning oil. :(

Matt 11-14-2009 05:46 PM

You can look at this 2 different ways, in my opinion:

- Now's a perfect time to clean your hands of the Z. It's had issues, and you're going to remember them forever, whether or not the new engine has similar issues. You're going to lose some money on the sale, and it sounds like you have eyes for another car anyways.

- The only issue this car has (your car, specifically) is about to get fixed. It's going to transform back into the near perfect car you envisioned when you drove it off the lot. Give it some time. See if the problem indeed is fixed and forget about the problems it had. Enjoy the Z the way you should have been enjoying it. You lose too much money on the resale to think about selling it already.


Sorry, can't really give you any more advice other than one of the above paragraphs probably make more sense to you...choose that one!

Mike 11-14-2009 05:46 PM

Just be happy with the new engine and enjoy it. I had both the engine and transmission replaced on my 03 350z and never took a hit because of it.

cab83_750 11-14-2009 06:31 PM

I am enjoying every minute of it. The power, the amenities, the a/c, stereo, you name it. I am somewhat far from selling, even though with 3 decades of 'manual transmission experience' behind me I still could not get this car to shift as smooth as any other cars I have owned.

I am just looking at the sale from a practically standpoint. The car is black, non-sports (no synchro-rev), but with the spoiler (front and back) and I had the clear-bra professionally installed. If I do pull the trigger (again, even though I am far away from selling), how much do you guys think it is worth knowing it has 8K on the chassis and almost-zero miles on the engine?

The car has always been garaged, you can still smell the brand-new-car-smell, no dings, scratches, whatsoever.....

StLRedrider 11-14-2009 09:19 PM

don't do it, keep the Z

Zsteve 11-14-2009 09:24 PM

I will say that alot of new cars today burn oil. My MKII Audi TT 2.0T would burn some oil and when I asked about it they said that engine could burn a quart every 2 to 3 K miles. I guess its a thing we have to put up with with engines that go fast and get really hot.

kenchan 11-14-2009 09:32 PM

since you're getting the new engine under warranty why not see how the new engine does before selling it? you can always sell the car later.

alan93rsa 11-14-2009 09:53 PM

The new engine will not bring you any more in a sale. Most would be hesitant even though there should be no issue. Just human nature.

speedoflife 11-15-2009 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 280400)
I will say that alot of new cars today burn oil. My MKII Audi TT 2.0T would burn some oil and when I asked about it they said that engine could burn a quart every 2 to 3 K miles. I guess its a thing we have to put up with with engines that go fast and get really hot.

The OP was burning around 2 qts. per 1,000 miles... ouch.

ChrisSlicks 11-15-2009 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 280478)
The new engine will not bring you any more in a sale. Most would be hesitant even though there should be no issue. Just human nature.

:iagree: Most people see "new engine" and read that to mean lemon.

cab83_750 11-15-2009 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 281481)
:iagree: Most people see "new engine" and read that to mean lemon.

:ughdance:hmmmm! I guess I am different as I see it as half-full. Free 8000 miles. :)

I did make a note that you said "....most people"

davidyan 11-18-2009 11:21 PM

If I were a buyer, my primary concern is that the engine might not have been installed correctly- How many 370Z engines do you think the Nissan dealer has had to replace? This is probably their first. Its never as good as when assembled at the factory.

kannibul 11-19-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by davidyan (Post 286604)
If I were a buyer, my primary concern is that the engine might not have been installed correctly- How many 370Z engines do you think the Nissan dealer has had to replace? This is probably their first. Its never as good as when assembled at the factory.

That said, they come in a crate. I mean it's not like they're taking the engine apart and are rebuilding it.

I'd keep the car. You'd lose your butt on trading/selling it. If you disclose that it has a new engine, the buyer would think all kinds of things...even if you're 100% honest, they might think you blew the engine racing it...and wonder what else is going to fail.

If you don't disclose, well, that's just bad mojo.

370Zsteve 11-19-2009 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 287224)
That said, they come in a crate. I mean it's not like they're taking the engine apart and are rebuilding it.

I'd keep the car. You'd lose your butt on trading/selling it. If you disclose that it has a new engine, the buyer would think all kinds of things...even if you're 100% honest, they might think you blew the engine racing it...and wonder what else is going to fail.

If you don't disclose, well, that's just bad mojo.

:iagree: And besides, the engine number will not match the original chassis number, so there is no way to hide it anyway.

Brandon26pdx 11-19-2009 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidyan (Post 286604)
If I were a buyer, my primary concern is that the engine might not have been installed correctly- How many 370Z engines do you think the Nissan dealer has had to replace? This is probably their first. Its never as good as when assembled at the factory.

Yep:tiphat:

Unless there was documentation proving it was a factory built longblock (which might be the case) installed as a built assembly, I would be leery. These new engines aren't exactly carbuerated Chevy 350's that a good machine shop can cobble together.

elmz 11-19-2009 05:15 PM

I think the Z deserves a second chance.

cab83_750 11-19-2009 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 287224)
That said, they come in a crate. I mean it's not like they're taking the engine apart and are rebuilding it.

I'd keep the car. You'd lose your butt on trading/selling it. If you disclose that it has a new engine, the buyer would think all kinds of things...even if you're 100% honest, they might think you blew the engine racing it...and wonder what else is going to fail.

If you don't disclose, well, that's just bad mojo.

Don't worry about disclosure. I once sold a Porsche and received the cash. The guy never came back. After 4 months of looking for him I was told that legally the car is mine again. Well 6 months later the guy reappeared. With no questions asked I wired ALL his $ less $10 wiring fee.

Honest Abe here. Besides whatever goes around comes around. :)

areyouin729 11-19-2009 09:19 PM

you act like this is an RX8

keep the Z

mirror 11-19-2009 09:27 PM

Dump it. In the back of your mind, there'll always be a little voice reminding you that it's not "perfect." You'll be waiting for the other shoe to drop, waiting for something else to go horribly wrong.

At least, that's what happened to me.

cab83_750 11-19-2009 09:49 PM

What is an RX8? :)

cab83_750 11-19-2009 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mirror (Post 287801)
Dump it. In the back of your mind, there'll always be a little voice reminding you that it's not "perfect." You'll be waiting for the other shoe to drop, waiting for something else to go horribly wrong.

At least, that's what happened to me.

I am the half-full guy and see this as free 8000 miles!!! It may be a keeper until I get another itch

what happened to you? Care to share?

mirror 11-19-2009 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cab83_750 (Post 287847)
I am the half-full guy and see this as free 8000 miles!!! It may be a keeper until I get another itch

what happened to you? Care to share?

If that's the case, keep it like everyone else is suggesting. I'm a pessimist by nature so the glass is always half-empty.

It started off with TPMS and then the heating/cooling system failing within the first thirty days of ownership. After that, it's just been a bunch of cascading failures with other systems that the dealership can't sort out.

Probably worth noting that I don't drive a 370Z, I drive something else that Nissan makes. I just post here sometimes for some reason.

Edit: Just for fun, here's a picture of my car as of earlier this week at the dealer, again. I'm still stuck in a rental. http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/IMG00082.jpg

LiquidZ 11-19-2009 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mirror (Post 287928)
If that's the case, keep it like everyone else is suggesting. I'm a pessimist by nature so the glass is always half-empty.

It started off with TPMS and then the heating/cooling system failing within the first thirty days of ownership. After that, it's just been a bunch of cascading failures with other systems that the dealership can't sort out.

Probably worth noting that I don't drive a 370Z, I drive something else that Nissan makes. I just post here sometimes for some reason.

Lemon?

kannibul 11-19-2009 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 287229)
:iagree: And besides, the engine number will not match the original chassis number, so there is no way to hide it anyway.

It's not something I would think to check, then again, I've never checked to see if the SN's match up on any vehicle I've owned.

kannibul 11-19-2009 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 287953)
Lemon?

If that's the case, then there's no "sale" involved - the dealer has to play ball and swap the vehicle out.

OP needs to check into the Lemon-Laws for his state. I know Oklahoma just changed theirs quite a bit...not that it matters, my Z seems just fine, though I am due to check my oil level.

carlos3366 11-20-2009 10:10 AM

i would not buy a car w/a replaced engine.

cab83_750 11-20-2009 08:16 PM

Ok. After 3 days I have the car back

The engine looks new and smells new
The engine bay looks like the very 1st day I picked it up.


I will go ahead and keep you guys posted possibly after 1000 miles. Man, I am so happy to see her. After closing the lid and turned on the engine I felt the same way as the day I drove her from the lot


Roo,

thanks fir the feedback. I will make a note of it

Slynky 11-20-2009 09:07 PM

That would still bug me about the shifting, though.

Though I'm a foreign car sort of guy, to tell the truth, my RSX doesn't shift like I hoped it would. I ran a Falcon Sprint and a Plymouth Satellite on the strip and could shift gears in split seconds...I never took my foot off the gas, I just stomped the clutch and shoved a gear. But I can't speed-shift this RSX. The syncros don't seem to be fast enough.

If I had a 370Z, I'd wan't to "get it on" once in a while at least and if it didn't shift right, that would bug me like crazy. All I need to do is sell my RSX and get a Z and wind up with the same crap...

Le sigh...


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