That's interesting. I never looked at it that way. We always wanna know what the hp and tq numbers are for a given vehicle, whereas for our needs the average power would be more beneficial. I'm not very good at reading dyno charts, but I wonder how the 370 stacks up against other performance cars using this method. My apologies for being even more off topic.

Laguna Seca
BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.964
Porsche 997 Carrera (2008 facelift) 1:45.0

You really should drive an m3 and experience it. :)

HP is most beneficial top end, torque is what really yanks you out of the turns.

Dont be, it's great conversation and we all learn from it. Now I haven't seen THAT many 370z dyno pulls, but it appears most of your power is above 5.5k.

Where as most turbo vehicles start hitting peak power around 5.5k - something the 335i deals with. The torque really shoots you out front, but after about 100mph it's anyones game - more often then not the larger NA engine. Myself and ArnVan on this forum run a lot and it really is awesome how much power the VQ puts out top end.

I know I'll probably be flamed for posting this.. but they recently released the new m3 gts. More of a track version than a DD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCzDOpVasHM

I hate to contribute to this thread, but the weights on a C6 and M3 are close?? You have almost 500 pounds of difference. There is a reason why the vette has the quarter time it does


Also YouTube - Nissan GT-R by autocar.co.uk

Note the reviewer owns an M3. I point this out only to show you the braking system on these cars while fine on the street is a bit of a joke on the track.

I love the M3, but I pine for the days of the E36 at 2700 pounds.. Remember the Euro versions didn't have the detuned engines, those were impressive cars.

E46 is also beautiful, but with every generation you can see them becoming more luxurious and less track oriented, this true of all M cars evolving.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Did you ever run a 370 stock up to higher speeds? My buddy has a 335, but I have no 370 to run with him. I always thought they would be great competition for each other.

I had the opportunity to take a 335 up to 130ish and it felt like it wasn't losing much on the top end.

I hate mag racing but the Z always seems to pull a few more mph's at the strip..

lol the e92 will do 0-60 in 5 - 5.5
the viper will do 0-60 in 3-3.5

the viper even beat the gt-r's nurburgring lap time
how is the m3 in the same league as the viper?

2 great cars!

Ran a 335 that had 3 car lengths and at 110mph began to pass it. 335 doesn't have enough hp for the Z imo. What is considered higher speeds?

It was the top of the line ACR Viper that beat a "base" GT-R. Should be interesting with the GT-R Spec V.

Most cars with higher displacement will win at high speeds like that won't they? that's what started the whole displacement war a few years ago when S4 switched from 2.7T to 4.2.

I agree 335 is a better comparo to 370z. Comparing e92 to 370z is just as pointless as comparing cayman to 370z. Yeah sure 370z is the bang for the buck, but it's still not a porsche or an m3. the extra premium of the german cars doesn't just go down the drain. and comparing 370z stock to e46? my prius 10 years from now will prob feel faster than 370z stock. just my 2c.

Vette's are faster than E92 M3's any day...the E92 M3 however...is a better made car...

H'mmm. Armchair experts.

We've got more armchair experts than a furniture mill.

These are all good cars. Drive what you like.
* Are you less of a man b/c you drive a BMW or a Z? (what if you are a woman?)
* How much does it matter in your daily commute?
* Are you talking track days or full-on racing, with appropriate mods for power & reliability?

Anthropologists note that in every society there is a search for a pecking order. Here it seems that if you are what you drive, the question is who I am better than (or who might be better than me).

Unless you're racing, just drive what you like, and if the other guy has a hot car, more power to him.

Actually, we should be banding together, not competing! Pretty soon we'll all be facing the pressures of the Greenies to drive socially responsible, shiny, happy Green cars. Enjoy this renaissance of performance and power while you can, cuz the world is changing and our share of the market is small enough to be marginalized and eliminated for all but the very rich.

My $.02, FWIW

Epic!!!!!

uh yeah, not even close. HP is 414 but the TQ is less than 300 on the E9X M3...like 296 or 298. One of those two.

I love the E46M too but man, BMW biffed up on some of the engineering with those. The rear suspension rips out over time ($$$$) The VANOS units blow up on occasion ($$$), The rod bearings spun on the early models, SMG pumps go out and cause the car to be stuck in gear ($$), the exhaust catalyzers clog up and need replaced ($$).

Almost everything that breaks on those things costs a fortune to fix. It was one of those cars that I'm sure was bad a$$ to own if you had the scratch to buy one new and were smart enough to dump it before the warranty expired.:ugh2:

you got your number wrong, the M3 comes with 295 tq. and guys an e92 m3 isn't beating a vette, even the DSG one, but it is in competition with the 997 911 S, its not really faster but its going to make the p-car push like hell.
Any IMO i would get the 370z over the e46 m3 unless you need the space of course, the potential of the 370z at this point seems pretty unlimited

I am the owner and driver of the M3 in that video. Now i know where all the stupid comments came from on the video lol.

In the recent edition of Autocar, the 370z was compared to the M3 CSL, as both are same price. Yes, we compare current price of a vehicle, not what price the car was 10 years ago lol. The M3 won with flying colours on pretty much everything.

Dont get me wrong, the 370z is a fantastic car, if you like drifting, or big body kits and my dentist has one with chrome alloys, but its not the whole package. Im not sure on the 370z but the 350z was a terrible car. The interior was horrid for one thing, but that plastic interior is what you get with Nissan cars.

Back to the video. I was very excited to see the new 370z on track that day. But he was doing 1.25-1.26 lap times. That day my quickest was 1.23, with cracked rear subframe and loose sway bar up front. The car was very loose around the bends. I have had everything fixed, and had a remap done (+20bhp, 353bhp), and i am getting 1.21s on that particular track.

Current 1/4 mile on my M3 is 12.8 seconds, if you like that sort of thing.

Standard vs standard both m3 and 370z are very similar, except M3 gets back seats, and still weighs pretty much the same as the 370z. We are comparing a 10 year old car, which is worth 3 times less than a current 370z car at the moment.

My car will be in next months Performance BMW magazine, if you want to check it out. (its the red one)

lots of funny bickering

The folks trying to claim the E46 is a none issue of the 370z are clearly misinformed.

And the E92 does in fact compete well with the C6 Vette and in many cases faster:

Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

The new Porsche Cayman S is right there with the E92 as well. These cars are in a whole different leaque vs. 370z.

Actually the E92 has been recorded at 4.2 sec's 0-60.

And based on numberous lap recordings the M3 isn't too far off the Vipers and in some cases better.

Dodge Viper SRT-10 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com


Or would you rather me give you some "my friend billy bob real life examples" ?

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You're obsolutely correct!

911 carrera vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Porsche 997 Carrera vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

C6 vette vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Viper vs. E92 M3: (Fairly close)
Dodge Viper SRT-10 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Vanquish vs. E92 M3: (M3 is faster)
Aston Martin V8 Vantage (380bhp) vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

Seems a lot of folks are misinformed regarding the E92 M3

Good driving on both parts; it was fun to watch. These guys drove em' like they stoleded them!

Good info. Shows how fast the new m3 is. Suposedly the new 5.0 Mustang can keep up with it according to stats. We will have to wait and see for that one.

Only in the straights, the M3 will still outhandle the 'Stang.

Im willing to bet with the right modifications and driver we can be right there with the e92 in a straight line race if not a little quicker. I currently have injen intakes. FI Long tube headers and FI catback exhaust. I raced a c63 amg the other day and for those of you who dont know the specs its a 6.3l 451 hp motor. 1st time i got pulled by a car length because It was a random race and I didnt start high enough rpm. Second time we were dead even.

^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th.

The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me.

On the e46, 2 of my buddies have them and while they can keep up with the Z they can't overtake me. Frankly they'd have to run perfectly and I get a little bit of an error margin, after installing test pipes and making an uncorrected 294whp on the dyno I can tell you for a fact, unless you dumped a lot of money in an e46 M you're not catching me. I love the e46 M but times have progressed, the Z is superior and I'd rather take a full bolt on Z over a full bolt on e46 M. It's still very expensive to get parts for the e46 and the aftermarket for the Z is still growing. Tuning capabilities are still limited, parts such as upgraded throttle bodies and plenums are just be researched.

Z owners, be patient, the VQ motor is wonderful and for the brave few who keep the motor N/A and build it either into a long block or a super high reving short block you'll make 350+ at the wheels. We just need to wait on someone to come out with heads, pistons, rods, and a bigger plenum. It's coming and when someone goes that extra effort the M's won't want a piece of us.

I was going to jump on the F.I. train but I hate being limited to 480-500whp. I bought my Z, she's going to be with me for a long time god willing, I'll wait and build the short block, Nissan already provided me a 9000 tach I want to see if it can be done. Heads, cams, pistons, rods, and advanced tuning on a built block should get you to 9K and more than 350whp at the wheels on a bulletproof motor. I'm willing to wait for that.

bro that setup will get you way more than 350whp. Depending on which dyno your talking about im already pushing 300whp on a mustang dyno which is about 330 on a dynojet without any of the above meantioned mods and so are some others.

Yeah? Was the sun in your eyes too? The Z was pulling away from you in the straights with ease. Maybe you were dragging a muffler? Anyway it was good the Z had a mechanical issue so you could overtake him.

Thanks for registering on the 370z site to bash our car. I am sure it's really appreciated.

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I hope so man, I can understand that many manufacturers would jump on F.I. package now to satisfy the masses, not many people are currently shooting for a "kilo car" so I'm being patient and watching all the wonderful products that come out. Most noteworthy lately has been that new plenum kinetix put out, sweet looking piece.

If I can build the motor in due time and make 350+whp N/A that's all I need. It'll be built and bulletproof so it's just a matter after all that of adding a power adder to make ridiculous HP.

Guess I'm being the tortoise but we all know how that ended up.

Yea ill be keeping an eye on the kinetix piece to see how it turns out. Many people think its not going to produce any gains though. We will see when the time comes. If it produces decent gains ill most likely buy it.

You beat the driver not the car and you're trying to say the E92 isn't a "driver's car"? LMFAO!

compared to the e46 the e92 is not a drivers car. Way more computers than a raw feel for the car and yeah I've driven and been in both enough to quantify my opinion. Btw, this is why manual transmission are the only way to judge your skill. If you are doing nothing than pushing paddles as you win, the only reason why you've won is because of the fat check you wrote BMW. Your driving ability means jack sh!t.

Personally, I kinda like hearing I beat the M3 driver more than I like hearing the Z beat an M3....who wouldn't?

It wasnt sunny :owned:

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I dont think we are watching the same video mate. Twice i had to let go of the throttle, so i didnt go into the back of him. First one at .32 seconds and seconds at 1.48 seconds.

And if it looked like he was pulling away, i would hope so, as he comes out the corner before me, and so is on the throttle first. Common sense really. But not once in the video, was he every pulling away on the straights.

What mechanical issue? Is this something you guys dreamed up together? :icon17:

Have none of you guys been on track before? You dont keep going round and round the track no stop. You do cool down laps, so that the engine, brakes, tyres, and everything else cools down. Or else its bad for the car in every way, and you wear stuff down. These are road cars, not track cars, that get new tyres and brakes every time they go on track or race.

Well, one sided debates are a bit silly.

The fact of the matter is, the 350z was slow, and they had to bring the engine to a 3.7 litre to get the same power as the 3.2 litre S54 engine which is currently in the E46 M3.
Not sure why you guys are comparing your cars now to an E92 M3 :rofl2:
In standard form, i have no issues keeping up with them, as weight is there downfall. But remap, full exhaust and pulleys, bring those cars up to 460bhp.
However, for the price of a new 370z, you can pick up an E92 M3 now.

I do agree that the E92 is a soft car compared to the previous models of M3s.

I hope you meant E46 because that would make sense. However, the Z responds to bolt on's better than the e46 and baseline will make more power to the wheels. At my last dyno day a stock e46 put down 282whp whereas I put down 296whp.

Frankly if you can get a new car with warranty for the same price you can get an older M why wouldn't you want a new car?

I don't mind M guys coming on here, especially e46 M3 guys, I know enough of them to know how you guys are. However, lets be real, the Z is faster than the e46 M3, handles just as well if not better, is cheaper to mod, and is still in the opening stages when it comes to aftermarket parts available. Frankly the only thing the e46 M3 has is 2 extra tiny seats and a BMW badge, but for some that's enough.

Top Gear Track :

M3 (E46) 1:31.8
370Z 1:27.5

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