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tjlazer 08-03-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EndyKwon (Post 1852629)
Sorry to necro this post, but just a question..
Its a given that the sport pkg (both 6MT and 7AT) has rev match, however, does the base 7AT have rev match as well?

7AT Sports package does NOT have SRM. It's a Manual transmission thing.

wstar 08-03-2012 07:23 PM

Well, the 7AT doesn't have a feature listed as "SRM", nor does it have a button for it, but it has the same basic electronics and then some. It automatically matches revs as it shifts for you (including correct downshift blips at any speed).

If anything, I would guess they developed the tech for the 7AT first (because it needs it to function correctly) and then someone had the awesome idea to use the same electronics and logic on the 6MT.

Mt Tam I am 08-04-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1853108)
Well, the 7AT doesn't have a feature listed as "SRM", nor does it have a button for it, but it has the same basic electronics and then some. It automatically matches revs as it shifts for you (including correct downshift blips at any speed).

If anything, I would guess they developed the tech for the 7AT first (because it needs it to function correctly) and then someone had the awesome idea to use the same electronics and logic on the 6MT.

Very likely scenario.

Rahul718 02-01-2015 03:03 PM

Sorry for the bump but I figured this is the appropriate thread to ask my question in. I have recently bought CPOd Nismo Z. I noticed with S mode on when I upshift from 4th to 5th that it'll rev a bit going into 5th. I THINKS the reason is possibly because I typically have a slow 4th to 5th shift. When I did a fast upshift from 4th to 5th there was no automatic rev. So I assume my slower shift in that situation would make the SRM up rev the engine because it spent a little longer than usual in neutral. Is that right?

However...I didn't notice this in other gear up shifts even when I went slower on purpose. Thoughts?

Also, with S mode turned off, there's no up rev going into 5th gear even if I slow shift it

JARblue 02-01-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rahul718 (Post 3098790)
So I assume my slower shift in that situation would make the SRM up rev the engine because it spent a little longer than usual in neutral. Is that right?

However...I didn't notice this in other gear up shifts even when I went slower on purpose. Thoughts?

Also, with S mode turned off, there's no up rev going into 5th gear even if I slow shift it

Sort of right. It's all about the RPMs the engine wants for your current gear/speed. If you stay in neutral long enough to drop below the ideal RPMs for your next gear, then it will rev match if you have SRM on. When downshifting, the RPMs will always be lower than what they should be for the next gear, and the car will always rev match. When upshifting, your RPMs are typically higher than what they will be for the next gear. The caveat you have found is when you stay in neutral too long on an upshift, the RPMs will continue to drop while in neutral and by the time you shift to the next gear the engine needs to rev match. If you have SRM turned off there is no automatic rev matching, and you should be doing the rev matching yourself to minimize wear on the clutch and transmission.

Rahul718 02-01-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3098805)
Sort of right. It's all about the RPMs the engine wants for your current gear/speed. If you stay in neutral long enough to drop below the ideal RPMs for your next gear, then it will rev match if you have SRM on. When downshifting, the RPMs will always be lower than what they should be for the next gear, and the car will always rev match. When upshifting, your RPMs are typically higher than what they will be for the next gear. The caveat you have found is when you stay in neutral too long on an upshift, the RPMs will continue to drop while in neutral and by the time you shift to the next gear the engine needs to rev match. If you have SRM turned off there is no automatic rev matching, and you should be doing the rev matching yourself to minimize wear on the clutch and transmission.

Thank you sir.

So I was kind of right. My slow 4th to 5th up shift means the car stays in neutral longer than it should and that causes RPM to drop. So when I do get into 5th the SRM will automatically rev to be in the right RPM for 5th.

What's weird is that it doesn't do this in other gear upshifts even if I purposely go slow

JARblue 02-01-2015 04:12 PM

Are you sure it doesn't do it in other gears? Try it at like 60-70 mph in 3rd gear and hang in neutral before shifting to 4th. If you actually shift into the gear or at least hold the shifter at the gate with the clutch in and still in neutral, the engine will continue to rev match as the RPMs drop even as the car slows.

Rahul718 02-01-2015 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by diabolus370z (Post 16230)
Wow, I think that must be true, and would explain what I experienced during my test drive yesterday. I was having a hard time upshifting the car when I was driving it, but I thought it was because I wasn't used to the 370's tranny and clutch. I distinctly remember on a couple of occasions the engine revving slightly when upshifting, even though I hadn't touched the gas pedal.

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3098825)
Are you sure it doesn't do it in other gears? Try it at like 60-70 mph in 3rd gear and hang in neutral before shifting to 4th. If you actually shift into the gear or at least hold the shifter at the gate with the clutch in and still in neutral, the engine will continue to rev match as the RPMs drop even as the car slows.

Jus did it 3rd to 4th with a longer pause in Neutral and it revved up. But what gets is that it seems the 4th to 5th shift is way way way more sensitive to the SRM revving up when going into 5th. Also, sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. Really weird. Is it worth taking to the dealer?

Rahul718 02-03-2015 09:08 PM

Took q video of my 4th-5th upshift and the SRM blipping the rpm by 500. It's very frustrating and I'm taking the car to the dealer soon to get looked at. My foot was no where near the accelerator when this happened and it was a very clean deliberate upshift into 5th. What the hell is causing it to rev like that? Oh right, it's at 14 seconds in the video

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps1cwurxqo.mp4

Houston Z33 02-04-2015 08:34 AM

In my eyes, SyncroRev alone made the jump from HR350 to 370 worth it.

HEK 02-04-2015 08:52 AM

On a side note I get better gas milage w/out using it around town as I drive with traffic, but weekends when I can let loose and remian under 100 mph the gas milage drops by a few mpg...just my 2 cents.

When I bought the Z almost 9k miles ago I left the button on 100% of the time which led me to re read this post and see if anyone else had responded about the consecuences of any wear on the vehicle...is there any and where, thanks:driving:

Airjago 06-03-2015 09:52 AM

I've turned the SRM feature off from day one and I still feel that there is RPM float when upshifting. That is, 1st gear going into 2nd, clutch in at 3K RPM and the car holds it there briefly instead of dropping immediately. I'm by no means an expert MT shifting pro, but I still need to wait a good 0.5-1s after I'm ready to clutch out. If I don't wait, then the RPM will be too high and jerk the car on reengagement.

How the heck do I fix THAT?

Z_ealot 06-03-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Airjago (Post 3217661)
I've turned the SRM feature off from day one and I still feel that there is RPM float when upshifting. That is, 1st gear going into 2nd, clutch in at 3K RPM and the car holds it there briefly instead of dropping immediately. I'm by no means an expert MT shifting pro, but I still need to wait a good 0.5-1s after I'm ready to clutch out. If I don't wait, then the RPM will be too high and jerk the car on reengagement.

How the heck do I fix THAT?

Only fix for that is a lightened flywheel as the stock one is pretty heavy so it tends to cause a delay in the rpm's coming down faster

Airjago 06-03-2015 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 3217787)
Only fix for that is a lightened flywheel as the stock one is pretty heavy so it tends to cause a delay in the rpm's coming down faster

Thanks for the suggestion Z. So does your comment mean the RPM float is real and I'm not just imaging it?!

LAVA 06-03-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Airjago (Post 3217661)
I've turned the SRM feature off from day one and I still feel that there is RPM float when upshifting. That is, 1st gear going into 2nd, clutch in at 3K RPM and the car holds it there briefly instead of dropping immediately. I'm by no means an expert MT shifting pro, but I still need to wait a good 0.5-1s after I'm ready to clutch out. If I don't wait, then the RPM will be too high and jerk the car on reengagement.

How the heck do I fix THAT?

I noticed mine does this and was curious wtf is going on, thx for posting something about it.

LAVA 06-03-2015 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Airjago (Post 3218001)
Thanks for the suggestion Z. So does your comment mean the RPM float is real and I'm not just imaging it?!

That's exactly what it sounds like Z_ealot's saying... makes sense with a 30+lb flywheel

Z_ealot 06-03-2015 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Airjago (Post 3218001)
Thanks for the suggestion Z. So does your comment mean the RPM float is real and I'm not just imaging it?!

You are correct sir! My current Z as well as my first Z both did it even with the syncro rev turned off...pretty sure someone has commented on this forum before about how their lightened flywheel they had installed made their revs come down much quicker


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