The evidence supports all my views!!! She pulled into on coming traffic, I don't care how you look at it, speeding or not, facts are facts. Now if she was sitting at the stop sign or the Z blew through a stop sign, then you have a solid case, but in this situation you don't. For instance, if a life wasn't lost and this was a clear case of an car accident WHO DO YOU THINK WOULD BE AT FAULT??? I'll tell you what, pull your car out into traffic and get your bumper dented and tell me what your insurance company tells you if a driver was doing 45 in a 25 and clipped your front end. If a semi is doing 85 in a 65 and your merging on to the highway and get rear ended, who's fault is that??? Like I said in my 1st post, I've seen these type of accidents and all of the drivers who pulled into oncoming traffic were at fault and for any drivers that were deemed reckless driving or speeding got tickets for those obstructions............. NOT MANSLAUGHTER!!!

I wonder if there is a way to keep tabs on this case?

I hope so Cool, I would love to know the ending result.

:rofl2: still trying to justify your view even when evidence clearly shows who caused the accident. Like I said the Z shouldn't have been at the point of impact if it was obeying traffic rules.

And facts are facts indeed. Which you're continuing to deny even as it is as showned "clearly as day" in your words.:facepalm:

Smfh:)

Leave her in jail the rest of her life. 3 kids left motherless...pisses me off.

You talk like pulling out in traffic is something uncommon or illegal lol We do it every day! You probably did it yourself today. But when you have a maniac who is zigzagging out of control through the street, at double the speed limit and crashed into you. WHO IS AT FAULT NOW?! (look my cap works too!). And if there is video evidence showing the bastard's reckless driving I can assure you your insurance company, the cops, and anyone who isn't Ray Charles can see who caused that accident.

Let it die Bro, they don't get it.
They just go by the fact that the law is considering the right of way because the other street has a stop sign. Obviously not too far ahead in time laws will be revise, for cases like this and many others.
They don;t see the reckless driving,zigzagging, and the lack of reflexes from this Z driver, on an emergency situation, if people like to play at least they need to have a plan B, if something goes wrong, accelerates is easy, having skills and brains is something else.

I say the same thing....the evidence shows the van driver was reckless pulling out in front of oncoming traffic. Sorry that she had to die, but it seems like the DA wanted to punish someone, so why not the living person who was hit by the van driver.

If the Z driver's lawyer is someone other than a public defender, the Z driver will not serve any jail time. However, if council is a public defender expect a plea deal for a short jail sentence.

Must be that time of the month. Emotions only go so far.

wow, I just got back from Harlingen 2 days ago. I was eating at Luby's on sunset strip hwy & can verify there are bad drivers down there. Their cars are not maintained, riding on donuts at 40mph in 60 zones and they basically have suicide middle lanes in the streets. My dad was almost killed in the nearby town of san Benito, Tx. He was mad driving at high rate of speed near town with palm tree islands and a semi pulls out. The car became a 57 ford convertible. He jumped to the floor board and saved his head. be careful out there.

I agree the Z driver was reckless driving too fast, but the van driver was also reckless by crossing into oncoming traffic. I'm puzzled why the van driver did not see the Z coming down the road unless, as I mentioned before, was blinded by the bushes to the left before crossing into the intersection.

I wish the best for both family's.

Not hardly bro...but will let you know when:eek:

Three kids are left behind without a mother. The best thing going for them now is getting some closure. Hopefully, the Z driver will be going away for a few years. Doing time also serves as the best lesson for the rest of her life. At the end of the day there are only losers on both sides. Very tragic :(

50/50
the Z was driving recklessly, but the van didn't yield either
a good lawyer will beat the manslaughter charge guaranteed
always sad when a life is lost. even without doing any jail time that girls life is ruined too. knowing you killed someone is a hard burden to live with for a normal person.

Here in Delaware it is illegal to be talking on a hand held cell phone when driving but, I still see it everyday. When I see someone run a stop sign, CELLPHONE. When I am behind someone, the light turns green and they just sit there, CELLPHONE. When I am on the highway and the person in front of me is swerving back and forth, CELLPHONE and the worst one is when I am driving the back roads having some fun and the oncoming car starts to drift into my lane, F--KING CELLPHONE. I don't put up with it anymore. If I see someone talking while driving I will honk the horn , flash my H-beams and if possible pull up next to them and tell them they are breaking the law and putting people in danger. I have had it with this s--T.

A few years back I counted the number of drivers with a celphone in their hand while waiting at the light.

I saw 7 out of 10 on average. :ugh2:

These days less people drive with their handset in their hand because of the new rule (law?) in our state
and a lot of modern cars now offer hands-free as standard feature.

...but i still see stupid accidents. :ugh:

Just thought I'd add some concrete information to this debate. Using the information that I shared with all of you earlier (shown above). I was able, using google maps distance feature to determine the distance, from the landmark white sign to the point of impact. It is 820 feet or 273 yards used in calculator.

After reviewing the video on my large screen monitor at work numerous times, the time it took the Z to cover this distance was right about 6.75 seconds. This equates to a speed of 82.73 mph :eek:

Speed had nothing to do with it! :gtfo2:

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I must chime in on this one.

The mother driving the van did not have enough time to determine the Z's speed and approach because it was weaving at 80+ MPH. She did not know whether to slam the brakes or gun it. If she slammed the brakes the Z pretty much would've t-boned her. If she floored it, the Z pretty much swerved left (in the video) and would've t-boned her as well. Plus, the van has very poor throttle response so there would be an initial lag or slippage, which would've jeopardized her anyway. She couldn't maneuver left or right from her perspective either because the Z would've hit her regardless.

yes....i agree. When you are pulling out into traffic there is no way you can see far enough or gauge correctly when you have all the traffic going 45, there is no way you can judge whats happening with an incoming car going 75 weaving through the pack...the brain just cant do that while also multitasking and operating the vehicle.

Some people might have caugh that with their peripheral vision (believe it or not the detection actually occurs in a DIFFERENT PART OF THE BRAIN) that is not directly connected to the conscious mind. This is meant to give us the ability to react quicker with instinct but some times it has the reverse effect...you get about a .5 second delay in reacting because you are completing complex tasks, not just physicially dodging something......however the people who would have had the capability of catching that would be professional drivers, atheletes, marksman, baseball players, maybe some of us car enthusiasts, video game players etc.

A mom in a mini van....no, she would not have had the capacity. Anyone with ANY distraction in the car also would not have had the capacity to detect it.

Fault is clearly the white z....but its also just bad luck. She was speeding a little and just happen to come upon the wrong intersection at the wrong time...at precisly the time she was also being a dumb *** and operating a cell phone.....you play with stupid...you get burned.

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Life is a bit harsh imo. She is young and doesn't know any better. It was an accident. I do hope she gets what she deserves though. 3 kids being motherless IS heartbreaking...

A young female driver going 30mph above the limit, not signaling when changing lanes, and talking on her cellphone all at the same time?.... in a +300hp rwd sports coupe no less? it's just a matter of time before something like this happens. Reckless and complete disregard for her and the others' life.

I looked at the video a few times at the point of crash and right before impact. It appears the van never slowed down while crossing the busy intersection. I do believe the van driver is at fault also. I was surprised the other cars didn't hit the van first.

Because they weren't driving 82 mph :shakes head:

A few weeks ago my friend was in a serious motorcycle accident. It was just a casual day of riding when he crashed into a car. He's very attentive and rides defensively, but it happened out of nowhere to the point he has no recollection. The driver of the other car quickly covered him up at the scene and got him flowers the next morning.

No matter how attentive you are even with little to no distractions something like this can happen out of nowhere.

This is going to be a question of who had the greater degree of negligence/fault. The Z for speeding and on phone or the deceased in the van who failed to notice the speeding Z. The Z did have the right of way. Tough call although the video does clearly show the Z swerving to the left when she should have swerved to the right (where the van was not at.) This case will probably never make it to a jury since the sympathy factor for the deceased mother of three would make the Z's drivers case pretty hard to defend. Hope she had sufficient insurance limits.

The mods should compile all the accident threads into its own section. Being that the most tragic, stupid and idiotic accidents happen here in Tx. The thread can be called :

"Stupid Texan Car Wrecks!" :wtf2:

You're a little fuzzy on the details of accident reconstruction aren't you?

Not at all, just saying I've seen these type of accidents before and I'm willing to bet it all that the Manslaughter charge won't hold water and this young lady at the young age of 21 won't see a day in prison.

I don't know what charges will stick, nor what sentence she'll get...I'm not a lawyer (are you?). I do know that from the accident reconstruction (laser scanner was shown in the video) they have all they need to prosecute the case -- the dashcam is just icing on the cake. Something to get the jury all emotionally worked up in addition to the demonstrated facts of the accident.


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Police REALLY need to be more harsh on catching ******* ******** on their cell phones while driving. I almost got hit 3 times today from people texting, coming into my lane.

America's Most Rotten: Karen Morris aka Karyne Morris - Las Vegas, NV


Killer - Karen B Morris aka Karyne Morris

Current or Previous Address? - 1740 Baja Ln, Henderson, NV 89012

Future Address - HELL

Current or Previous Employment? - Real Estate

Approximate Age (as of November 2010) - 42

Crime Committed - March 2001

Charges - 3 counts of Felony Reckless Driving

Sentence - 26 weekends in jail, and 5 years probation.

Killer's Victims - Leona Greif (Age 61) and Marcia Nathans (Age 65)

Details - A Henderson woman who pleaded guilty to talking on a cell phone and causing a collision that killed two people will spend a month in jail after she violated her probation by working out at a gym.

District Judge Nancy Saitta on Tuesday sentenced Karen Morris to 30 days in the Clark County Detention Center for violating her house arrest by exercising at a Henderson 24 Hour Fitness Center.

Morris, a local Realtor, said she misunderstood the terms of her probation. But Saitta said Morris believes she is above the law.

"There is a consistent and disturbing pattern that so long as Ms Morris misunderstands the conditions of her freedom, that will be enough," she said.

Saitta could have reinstated Morris' suspended prison sentence of 4 to 12 years. Morris was placed on 5 years probation and ordered to spend 26 weekends in jail after pleading guilty to three counts of felony reckless driving in the March 2001 collision that killed Leona Greif, 61, and Marcia Nathans, 65.

A third passenger was critically injured in the crash. Authorities claim Morris was talking on her cell phone and speeding when the accident occurred.

But the trips to the gym were the latest in several incidents in which Morris claimed to have misunderstood the terms of her probation, Prosecutor Gary Booker said.

Morris was placed in house arrest after taking an unauthorized trip to Utah in March, he said. Morris said she thought she was allowed to take the trip.

"She has proven that she is going to do what she is going to do," Booker said. "The rules don't apply to her."

Morris had signed a contract with the Department of Parole and Probation that spelled out the terms of her probation.

According to the contract, Morris was only to leave her house to go to work, attend weekly religious services or shop for her basic needs.

"Frankly, I don't think it could be any clearer," Saitta said. Morris was supposed to track her daily activities in a log, but trips to the gym were not listed.

The gym's management later confirmed that Morris had visited the gym 13 times in the previous month.

Police say Karen Morris was traveling at 64 mph in a 45 mph zone while talking on her cell phone. They say she ran a red light, then smashed into another car killing two people. Morris and her 7 year old daughter were treated for minor injuries.

Witnesses told police Morris was talking on her cellular telephone as she crashed and as she swerved around a line of cars at a previous crossroads and ran that red light, Clark County Deputy District Attorney Mary Brown told The Associated Press.

Karen "Karyne" Morris is among America's Most Rotten because we believe she is a rotten uncaring person. She was speeding through red lights while talking on her cell phone, and with her 7 year old daughter in the car. Two innocent people lost their lives because of her reckless driving. Karen also violated her probation and falsified her daily activities log. We believe she changed the spelling of her first name from Karen to Karyne to prevent potential clients from seeing stories about her online. Guess she doesn't want clients to see what type of person she really is. Why would you do business with a woman like this? We believe Karen Morris is a cold hearted rotten person who has no conscience.

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Yeah! Some asshat just almost hit me as I was replying TO this thread!


A quick Google tells me that in Texas you can be charged with vehicular manslaughter if you're driving recklessly; I'm glad I checked because I was just going to chime in that she'd probably be guilty of speeding & reckless but not manslaughter.

If she was not driving reckless than no one every is... take her license away but does Texas really need more prisoners at 35k$/year each?.

Watching the video I'd still blame the van driver for stupidly pulling out, if the traffic is bad turn right and turn at the next light, takes a minute longer (or not verse you waiting for a safe opening) but you get to hug your kids that night...

Re prior post of 'make everyone drive MT so you can't hold the phone' would just make yakkers take both hands off wheel when shifting (knee steering)

Drive safely Kiddies!!

This is what my car needs - The Oatmeal


[]Texas Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

Confiscate her car and any car she ever drives again regardless of the owner. It wouldn't take long before no one would let her borrow a car.

I'm sure it would require legislation, but it is a far better option than simply suspending a DL. I don't know why states haven't been doing this with repeat DUI offenders for years.

That story about Karen Morris is a clear example of why I stand on my views. Not only was she Speeding, Reckless driving, Talking on her cell phone and Child endangerment, but she also blew through a red light and 100% caused the death of not one, but two people.......................... And she still got a suspended sentence!!!
Was this young lady in Texas was at fault.......... YES, but not 100% as I believe the victim is part of the blame for pulling out into traffic. I'm no lawyer, but the most I've ever seen from a case like this is 3rd degree reckless or involuntary vehicular manslaughter and it carried no prison time.