So would I. Wouldn't do any Dodge products except the Jeep Brand.

:icon18::rofl2::roflpuke2:

But who cares about hp/weight ratio when I can just run over any street vehicle? Even if they try to run, I have a 105 mm L/52 M68 rifled gun (55 rounds) or 120 mm L/44 M256A1 smoothbore gun (40 or 42 rounds) depending on the tank model. Bye bye either way :D

This is why I've always wanted a monster truck as a daily driver. :tup:

:iagree: Although ... if I actually had one, I would probably be in a lot of trouble very quickly. Maybe it's better that I don't lol

Yeah, but not built in...

Mustangs and Camaro's have never given the feedback to the driver like a Z does. Not even close. You would have a hard time putting that in those cars suspension wise. Handling wise, they suck. So my stance is this, two totally different sets of cars. The only thing in the class is a Porsche Cayman. That is why the Z is compared to it and not other vehicles. So, if someone is comparing a Z to a Mustang or Camaro, they probably can't drive anyway so what is the difference. Just my .02.


The person who owned my Z before me ruined the clutch (Chattering pig), He traded it in on a Mustang. Enough said.

You can do some fast laps in a Mustang... The S197 did just fine at going around corners. I agree that it didn't really provide the kind of feedback/experience you get from the Z. The BRZ/FR-S is really good at the feedback/feel aspect, too, although it's very slow.

To me the Z strikes a nice balance between the brute force of something like the Mustang and the "nothing but finesse" of the BRZ/Miata type cars.

Don't sleep on the Challenger speed. But yeah the handling and feel isn't Z quality. But we know the Z will most like be up to par in the next Gen with the "muscle cars" as far as speed.

The Z when in it's design phase... Nissan uses a PORSCHE CAYMAN to use as a benchmark for it's on paper stats. And it tries as hard as possible to give a similar level of performance. Of course the last and current iteration is course and unrefined, compared to a Porsche... Nissan is a FR platform while the Caymn is MR, but year one both cars got around the track in about the same time. The Z offering a visceral pro-driver experience while, the cayman glided through the track with ease...

The Z is designed to give you the on paper PORSCHE performance in a package thats similar in layout, function and form. Still each car gives a unique driving experience...

There's no way for me to say Anyything like this about a "Camastanger" when compared to a Z. Hence the Z being somewhat of a Porsche competitor.

I knew there was a reason I like you guys. :tiphat:

i like z cars but let's not fool anybody guys. Nissan themselves admitted the z needs to go on a diet for better fuel economy and better recognition. They aren't gonna get that with the current z that get almost as bad gas mileage as a 5.0v8. Also the Blind spots, the horrible thin paint and clutch slave Cylinder issues don't help... Also I had to change the csc at 18,000 miles...

You can definitely turn some blisteringly fast laps in a 5.0 if you know what you're doing. Bloated or not it's hands-down stock vs. stock or mod for mod faster than any Z and quite possibly the best performance bargain on the market today... hats off to Ford or you're just an ignorant hater/ricer.

However, there's a reason I drive a Z and that reason is because I buy my cars to drive, not to race, and driving a Z feels better than driving a Mustang. And I like Mustangs so it's not like I'm biased.:stirthepot:

The saddest part is Nissan hasn't even confirmed a new z being produced and released. I don't really take " my source at Nissan" toobseriously about a new z until it's confirmed by Nissan themselves officially. Don't forget there's a new focus rs coming out on top of the already mustang performer.

isnt scat slang for poop? I wouldnt want a poop, even with a Hemi shape

Cheap junk < affordable true sports car.

I have a coworker who is a Porsche fanatic. He has me wanting to drive a Cayman just because I'm curious as to why it is twice the price of my z.

Mark

They have announced the Q60 coupe will be coming with a new twin-turbo 3.0L DOHC engine that is going to be replacing the 3.7L we all know. That car is most certainly going to be targeted at the M3/M4 and the RCF. Ford mustangs, maro's, and charger r/t's probably aren't even a thought for performance and certainly not the Focus. After that you will probably see the Z. The former head of Infiniti that changed everything to Q's is gone off to Cadillac he wanted to separate Infiniti from Nissan as much as possible, but I doubt that happens or at least I believe they will still share platforms.

Well there's this article from Jalopnik in Jan of 2014 confirming it is being worked on

Nissan Is Probably Cooking Up A New Turbo Z

There was an article after that saying they don't even know what direction they are going , they don't have anything ready ... If there would be a new z it would be like 2019 and they don't even know if they will call it the z anymore .. like I said there's a focus rs coming out, a new golf r. nissan doesn't even have a sporty car in the civic si,mazdaspeed 3 , gti segment. They already cancelled the idx, people want a smaller turbo car also they're being left in the dust. I guess they are satisfied with making little cars for India and China. The Mercedes partnership is weak when they announced it in 2012...

Nissan needs to do something
 

They need to address the csc issue that keeps popping up week after week, maybe then I'll consider buying another Nissan. Maybe.

charger,challenger and mustang is muscle car and to me it is not on the class like cayman or Z. i do believe our Z is the best compared to mazda,honda and toy, that may be the reason why they dont mind putting larger engine onto the Z or GT-R

i hope someday Nissan will put their 5.6L V8 engine QX80 in the Z or GT-R but *** you see, the GT-R is even only 3.8 :roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2::bowrofl:

They cant even put proper clear coat on a damn car, I wouldn't ask more from Nissan then a car that actually starts :bowrofl:

All styling and general preference opinions aside...
The Camaro SS1LE serves Auto-Penis to the Mustang Gt's anus on Track and the intercourse is NO GEL status. Thats the Camaro vs the brand new stang. They only compare in str8 line performance... The Camaro is cheaper and hands down has REAL track worthiness.

So the mustang, while beautiful to look at and a great road car. Is not quite the "PERFORMANCE" bargain in the muscle car arena, if we talkin' purely getting bang for buck.

If only GM offered an option to remove the nauseating retro-styling from the interior and exterior. :tiphat:

Buy the new Q60 coupe when it comes or wait till 2019(probably 2018 which is when the new GTR comes out). There is no rush if your finances are straight and you are already in a Z now unless something catastrophic happens you can get in one later. You could always buy one of those other cars you covet that will probably be less and trade it in later if you want the Z that bad or just stay in your current Z see what they come out with.

op is comparing apples to oranges here... hp isn't the only reason people choose cars... for me, it came down to two things... the unique looks of the z and a 2-seater was a must... i love the looks of the new mustang but would never buy one because it has a useless back seat... no normal person can sit back there comfortably and it just adds senseless weight to the car... as with everything else in life, to each their own

rear seats in a coupe is a pita to get in/out anyway. just get a sedan or a 5door hatch if you want rear seats.

Can you link me to the 1LE? I haven't been keeping up lately... the only Camaro I drove was a regular old '11 SS and it was a turd compared to the '11 'Stang.

Ya know...

Last road course i uh "visited" had a Mustang which i let go in front of me when lining up.

It was a...
Mustang = More HP
Boss 302 = More more HP
Laguna Seca = More handling
on slicks = faster than me

They certainly can be fast, with the right setup and enough $$.

:happydance:

Do not know if this is a concretion, but beside the 4 cylinder mustang the fuel economy is much better.

At 500whp I'm getting 28mhp on the high way.

I didn't buy mine to race it. I bought it to have fun. And it's fun! I don't care if someone else is faster, there's always someone faster. As far as I'm concerned, Nissan doesn't need to do anything.

nissan can give us a better csc next time and a better feeling clutch + less latent throttle response. my 11yr old G feels so much better than my Z in that perspective.

:iagree: +1 100%

Yea I learned that when I had a 2+2 before and I'm 6'1. I absolutely hated people sitting behind me unless they were little kids. It's good for groceries though :yum:

Soon you can add the GT350 to the list. ;)