Agreed. I don't like the decrease in performance either.

lol the Z has plenty of power to handle a few extra pounds. Hell, much more power and you'll want the extra weight just to help put that power to the ground.

If you think you think you can feel the power drop off with a extra couple hundred pounds in the passenger seat then you're the same kind of person who claims to be able to feel a 10 hp gain on 330 hp, and I simply don't believe you :tiphat:

I'm so awesome I can feel the decrease in power from the reduced aerodynamics of a dirty car. ;)

:roflpuke2: :gtfo2:

However, I happen to know that you are awesome for other reasons :nutswinger:

I'm not the type to track my car. In fact, I'm not even the type to really try my car, but rather drive like a grandma. And regarding your comment about an extra 10 hp, no I wouldn't notice it.

However, I am the type that will know if the car is working harder because of extra weight. To me, extra weight = car works harder, strain on the car, bad gas mileage, extra wear on tires.

No offense, but if bad gas mileage and extra tire wear are things that you are trying to avoid, then perhaps you are in the wrong car? I work the Z pretty hard on a daily basis. Much more so than just loading it up with an extra person. The extra weight and concerns you have aren't even on my radar. To each his own :tiphat:

Yup! Drive that bitch!

None taken, although I think you are mistaken as to what I was getting across. I'm not worried about mpg or other normal wear, keyword "normal". I'm not the type that wants to contribute to additional wear by other factors, such as carrying a big @$$ person in my car. Like you said, to each their own. You stated you work your car pretty hard, some people track their cars, and others drive it like a grandma. You have concerns of your car that IDGAF about, and vice versa. No harm, no foul.

Well, I'm still a little confused of your point then. If you are driving the car "like a grandma", then I would argue you are not coming close to normal wear. It's designed to handle driving a little harder than grandma's driving. Also, the OM says 450 lb max for both passenger and driver. If you're under that, you should be within the limits of "normal" wear as defined by Nissan. So if you weigh 150 lbs, you should be able to carry a 300 lb passenger and not induce any additional wear (beyond "normal") on the vehicle :twocents:

I drive the Z pretty hard. But I don't abuse it by any means. And I take care of all the necessary maintenance. I might be wearing things a bit more than "normal" as defined by Nissan, but I'm fine with that. If some OEM parts can't handle my driving, then I will gladly upgrade it to better quality aftermarket parts. In 65K miles I haven't found any OEM parts that cannot hold up to my daily driving except possibly the CSC, which I replaced prior to it failing. And it's not like the CSC is well-reputed OEM part on this car.

I did not mention any of my concerns because I do not have any. I have addressed the concerns that I had previously (ESCL & CSC) :tiphat:

At 34 years of age according to your profile, I'm quite disappointed in your reading context and comprehension skills.

I never said I was worried about bad mpg or tire wear in general, but rather the extreme degree of them. For example, if a fat@$$ was to ride in your car, that would equate to additional gas being used and excessive tire wear than normal, among other variables that also cause excessive wear, versus no fat@$$ in the car. And I am quite aware of what the manual states. The manual also states you can temporarily use lower octane gas, but would you really do this? Another example would be industry standards of miles, which is 15k per year. Are you going to drive all 15k miles on your car in a year because the industry standards state so? Or would you rather put less miles on your vehicle? Just because the manual says you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should. I drive my car like a grandma because why put additional stress on my car? I'm not in a hurry to go anywhere. Also, this is what works for me, which leads me to my next point below.



Once again, this goes back to your comprehension skills, or lack of. Earlier post, you state:

I was merely piggy-backing off of your comment with the "IDGAF" statement. And if you read further, I do state "and vice versa". To dumb it down even more for you, this means that you may have concerns that I don't care about and that I also may have concerns that you don't care about. Again, as you state, to each their own.

:tiphat:

I will say I had a long day yesterday. But my reading comprehension is fine. If you drive everywhere 10-20 miles an hour under the speed limit (this is what I envision when you say grandma driving), then yes, going the speed limit is going to put more wear on your car. I'm not arguing that.

Normal for you is not normal for other people. Normal for me is not normal for other people. So you can't make comparisons like that - you have to find common ground. You don't get to say that normal for you is 5K miles per year and then make a statement that putting 15K miles on it in a year is more than normal wear. If Nissan says 15K miles year is normal, then that's normal wear and tear. Period. I'm not trying to say that's how it is, I'm just trying to point out that you are arguing a "normal" baseline that is only applicable to you.

Just like if you want to drive like a grandma to not put additional stress on the car. Well, if you go from from "grandma" to "normal" driving then you have increased the stress from your "grandma" baseline, but you are not putting additional stress beyond what is considered "normal". You have just reached the "normal" baseline.

I don't care how little you choose to enjoy your car. I never argued that point, and I never put you down for not driving hard or not driving a lot of miles. I am happy as hell putting 18K miles a year on my Z :driving:

I was merely commenting about the concerns of bad gas mileage and extra tire wear that you stated. I never stated any of my concern, and in fact, even specifically stated I had none; I said yours weren't on my radar. And you said my reading comprehension was bad :rolleyes: I was just trying to point out that those are not common concerns of Z owners. I find it hard to believe that carrying a larger passenger while driving like a grandma is wearing out wearing out your tires and using up gas quicker than solo "normal" driving would.

We've already derailed this thread enough, so I don't really want to continue here. But I'm happy to via PM if you have additional comments. No ill will intended :tiphat:

Muahahahahahaha!!! If only you guys knew how ******* fat I was

I fit fine

There's a pic of you floating around ;) Half a head taller and twice as wide as everyone else in the photo. And Jason's not a small guy himself :rofl2:

Does driver weight have any factor in motorsports?

Of course, but it's only going to matter if every other variable is the same, including skill. If the fat guy is a better driver than the skinny driver, that 150 lbs difference is not going to be the deciding factor in the race outcome.

Yeah I think 100-200lbs is negligible considering how powerful the vehicles are and skill levels of the drivers.

Yeah, use that for reference. Lol

And Jason is a big son bítch

I'm the big terroristy looking one

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...eforces-z.html

OMG I want that decal :icon18:

:roflpuke2:Have you guys noticed you lose like 100HP when you carry a fat friend 250+ pounds with you?

brother Andrew a big gentleman with a large heart

-Clifford

100hp because of 250lbs... No. I have not noticed that

I had a friend who was 480lbs riding around with me plenty of times with no issues. Definitely rode a little sluggish but that's it

I met you in person. I wouldn't pick a fight with you. Lol

He's just a big ol' teddy bear. Trust me;)

Yeah... You should attempt to punch my dad. Instant death. TRUST ME ;-)
(Off topic, we work together, he's a manager of production. I am a cost analyst. We occasionally have meetings and there are a few guys we work with that I hate. Every once in a while one of these guys will look at my dad like he's retarded for suggesting something [he's got more knowledge about this industry than almost anyone in the industry]... Those people don't know how close I am to going hulk mode on them throwing tables and crap out of the way to get to them quicker to kick them in the face with my size 15 shoes)

Lol I don't doubt you for a second bro. I've been in your car, the prius, the way you stomped on that thing in heavy traffic, I can't even imagine how much rage you have inside and the destruction you can do!

Lol!!! I only road rage out of boredom. No rage here :-)

Teddy bear with guns.....and lots of it.

Not sure why this is an issue. The z can handle the extra mass and weight. It will be an issue with a Miata or a Fit (pun intended).

Just wanted to follow up, my friend was able to fit in the car and it was descent not totally comfortable for him. I did notice that the car wouldn't fly like it normally would, and was slightly sluggish when accelerating. But at cruising speeds it was quite fine to get from here to there.

I concur with the others, it's quite funny watching him get out the car. :rofl2: