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Old 07-20-2020, 01:04 PM   #5386 (permalink)
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Old 07-20-2020, 04:49 PM   #5387 (permalink)
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Could this be the new Z?

https://youtu.be/3Qn31gLgLJI
I find it hard to take him too seriously when he keeps calling the dealership photo (or rendering) the "yellow" car. He's color blind. Its ORANGE dude.

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Agreed, lol I posted a comment on youtube if he is color blind, lol.
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Agreed, lol I posted a comment on youtube if he is color blind, lol.
I watched that video and thought it was a waste. So I went into thought about something substantial.

The z34 was introduced and had the same performance stats as the camaro SS with two less cylinders. So i was thinking, in terms of performance. This has to be the same standard for the Z35.

Right now my camaro if it were stock with the DM exhaust is 460hp/460lb tq and 3700lbs. Which puts it at 8lbs per hp.

For the Z35 to have equivalent stats to the camaro, I figured it has to weigh at most 3200lbs even. This number is VERY IMPORTANT.
It puts the Z35 at 8lbs per hp as well.

But... what im worried about with the Z is the 7speed transmission. Its simplistic, outdated and seems to feel more sluggish as the years pass by.
The camaro 8 speed has so many tricks to wring out 3.9 second to 60 during fall weather.
Track+ competitive mode + active performance shift gets the car shifting PDK fast. Do sport + CM + APS for streets and you once again will be perfectly damped to achieve the same acceleration. With my mods now I've only gotten to 3.8 seconds but I've shaved half a second on my quarter mile time. It doesnt take much to pull those times out of a camaro.
This in turn will be important not so much to fight a camaro. But to fight the supra. Cuz the supra times do match the camaro but is a hair faster 0 to 60.
Another thing. Nissan needs to avoid being front heavy like the Z34.
The supra inline 6 allows it to be very balanced in the corners. LT 1 engines are very light and camaros as well outcomes Z34's by leaps and bounds.
Nissan has to lengthen the hood and keep the FM engine configuration. So we probably need the Z33 wheelbase back giving the z35 about 3 inches extra of hood.
The current 7 speed has to go!!. And we must keep the sport and nismo wheel sizes.

The transmission and the hood length vs engine placement will make or break this Z. Here's hoping for the best. Good luck to us.
Fingers crossed.
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The looks and performance/feature per dollar ratio is what will make or break it.

If it comes anywhere remotely close to the performance offering of the American muscle cars with minimalist sports car design and proportions it should do well. It will undercut the Supra while performing similarly, and hopefully having better looks.

These days who knows though. The Z has no back seats and is small relative to the barges on offer and people don't seem to buy sports cars not named Corvette or 911.

It would be nice to see a DCT though, or at least the ZF.
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I watched that video and thought it was a waste. So I went into thought about something substantial.

The z34 was introduced and had the same performance stats as the camaro SS with two less cylinders. So i was thinking, in terms of performance. This has to be the same standard for the Z35.

Right now my camaro if it were stock with the DM exhaust is 460hp/460lb tq and 3700lbs. Which puts it at 8lbs per hp.

For the Z35 to have equivalent stats to the camaro, I figured it has to weigh at most 3200lbs even. This number is VERY IMPORTANT.
It puts the Z35 at 8lbs per hp as well.

But... what im worried about with the Z is the 7speed transmission. Its simplistic, outdated and seems to feel more sluggish as the years pass by.
The camaro 8 speed has so many tricks to wring out 3.9 second to 60 during fall weather.
Track+ competitive mode + active performance shift gets the car shifting PDK fast. Do sport + CM + APS for streets and you once again will be perfectly damped to achieve the same acceleration. With my mods now I've only gotten to 3.8 seconds but I've shaved half a second on my quarter mile time. It doesnt take much to pull those times out of a camaro.
This in turn will be important not so much to fight a camaro. But to fight the supra. Cuz the supra times do match the camaro but is a hair faster 0 to 60.
Another thing. Nissan needs to avoid being front heavy like the Z34.
The supra inline 6 allows it to be very balanced in the corners. LT 1 engines are very light and camaros as well outcomes Z34's by leaps and bounds.
Nissan has to lengthen the hood and keep the FM engine configuration. So we probably need the Z33 wheelbase back giving the z35 about 3 inches extra of hood.
The current 7 speed has to go!!. And we must keep the sport and nismo wheel sizes.

The transmission and the hood length vs engine placement will make or break this Z. Here's hoping for the best. Good luck to us.
Fingers crossed.
well written.

honestly if they do not make a massive upgrade to the tranny or give it a DCT, i think i'm gonna pass on the next Z.

you're 100% on the money that the current 7AT cannot be used moving forward. i have no issues with mine and think it's miles above move shiftable autos i've driven (especially for the time when i bought it in 2011).

they need to give it a DCT. fuckin little awful VW cars get them why cant the Z? i mean yea i get it you dont want it too close to the GTR but the price and performance alone separate them.
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Could this be the new Z?

https://youtu.be/3Qn31gLgLJI
Nothing personal against that guy. Some of his stuff is at the very least amusing, he has some artistic fluency, and I respect the grind, but just like every other outlet, it doesn't really take us anywhere.

As a YouTuber he's just reacting. I've seen him do it over stuff he does, and does not like. Makes some sense, but he's not on the engineering board to understand the full design context of a car.

And not to rant, but wtf with today's culture feeding into that. People getting paid to react to stuff that isn't theirs. Sometimes it's a fabricated reaction to, just to get viewer reactions.
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As long as they keep 6 speed manual I dont care if auto is dtc/dsg/smg/pdk or a slush box!
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I'm excited to see what Nissan comes up with. TBH I am quite surprised they went ahead with a 400Z, I was sure they would cancel the Z or turn it into a crossover (IMHO worse than just discontinuing it with the Z34).

I won't be in the market for a 400Z anytime soon - just got my 370Z and plan on enjoying it for quite a few years to come - but I'm hoping the 400Z is a hit so that I have a nice potential upgrade path in several years.

Frankly, I am over the moon that some Japanese car makers are still committed to making affordable, RWD sports coupes given how poorly they sell, and given how hybrid and electric SUV monstrosities are taking over the roads. Even though I'm not a huge fan of the new Supra, I am still really happy Toyota made it, and I'm even happier Nissan seems to be stepping up to the plate with a Z35.

All these cars may well be the last hurrah for petrol powered RWD sportscars, so we should enjoy them whilst they last.
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My girlfriend pulled the trigger on an orange Ultimate Veloster Turbo last week. Gorgeous little car. Best front wheel drive car Ive ever driven. 7 speed DCT is brilliant. Its got a legit sport mode and you can feel the car..."tighten up" in every way. Growl from the little 1.6 is insane for a 4 banger!! Tech out the *** and comfy as hell!! If Hyundai can offer up a decent Dual Clutch Nissan better do the same.
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So I was talking to an acquaintance, fellow AZ NASA track member who works for Nissan USA in Phoenix and this is what he told me. The 400z is for real. The first release will be the base and sport and they will come with a manual. The Nismo will be released a year later and only come in an auto. The auto will not be a DCT. That is all I know for now.

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So I was talking to an acquaintance, fellow AZ NASA track member who works for Nissan USA in Phoenix and this is what he told me. The 400z is for real. The first release will be the base and sport and they will come with a manual. The Nismo will be released a year later and only come in an auto. The auto will not be a DCT. That is all I know for now.

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no DCT?..........welp i think i'm out.

just ruining any advancement of getting the 3.0TT in it.

think i'm just gonna go grab a mclaren as the next toy.
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no DCT?..........welp i think i'm out.

just ruining any advancement of getting the 3.0TT in it.

think i'm just gonna go grab a mclaren as the next toy.
Can you not drive stick? The base and sport models will have MT
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He can't. He doesn't know what the 3rd pedal is for.
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