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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid 55k. It's a nissan. Nissan is already having money issues. Hell the gtr is way over priced. That's one of many problems Nissan's having. And QC

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Old 06-17-2020, 03:26 PM   #5296 (permalink)
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55k. It's a nissan. Nissan is already having money issues. Hell the gtr is way over priced.
That's one of many problems Nissan's having. And QC too.
Nismo Z maybe. But that's pushing it imo.
They need to have the 4cyn Z in the 20+k for sure and than go up from there.
But we shall c. They hve to price it right but they need to step up on the QC too.

I'll be in my bunk!

Toyota is apparently going to want $40K for the new 4-cylinder turbo 255 HP Supra model, which even comes with cheap brakes. No way Nissan will price a Z in the $20's for a car that is made in Japan. Start around $29,995 might be doable if they do come out with a less powered version.
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I said this two years ago, maybe longer... What they are doing is the equivalent of taking a Vietnam era cobra helicopter and updating it with newer tech and power, then call it a super cobra. You can save costs this way instead of designing a whole new air frame that works. The chassis works on the 370Z, save cost and revise what you have. It'll still be a great car, especially if it is an improvement of the great car we already have. Why not?
Exactly! All the Z needs is the 400hp V6 twin turbo from the Q50/Q60 Red Sport, upgrade the chassis, improve the manual and automatic transmissions, hopefully upgrade the differential, and put in a Maxima-like interior. The only safety feature that I would like to see is blind spot monitoring, LOL.
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brake cooling would seem to be relatively simple. there isn't anything wrong with the existing akebono setup, just design the bumpers to have ventilation that works
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Toyota is apparently going to want $40K for the new 4-cylinder turbo 255 HP Supra model, which even comes with cheap brakes. No way Nissan will price a Z in the $20's for a car that is made in Japan. Start around $29,995 might be doable if they do come out with a less powered version.

On top of that, the next gen 86 will be out with a whopping 220 n/a hp and will start close 30k.
Nissan could easily sell the 300hp engine for 34k easily and eat some power junkie 86 sales.
But instead we getting an extra 100hp for a couple grand more. Seems like a good deal to me...
Waiting to get the weight and dimensions of the Z to see how much of a deal we are getting.
Seems most are only worried bout hp n price. Can the chassis even hold the hp? Let's see.
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Can the chassis even hold the hp?
You really think Nissan put R&D into a new chassis for this car? I would guess it's just a slightly modified Z34 chassis if it's modified at all.
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This is a render I can get behind, very interested to see what the actual Nismo model looks like.

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This is a render I can get behind, very interested to see what the actual Nismo model looks like.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...like-this/amp/
I hope it looks like this, finally can get one of my favorite sports car design the Jaguar F-type but the affordable Japanese version lol
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This is a render I can get behind, very interested to see what the actual Nismo model looks like.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...like-this/amp/
It's one of the more accurate-looking ones based on the teaser. Generally might be exaggerating most cues, though.

I'm not expecting that front lip area to be so sharply-cut, though, as well as the side vents, which I have a feeling will do absolutely nothing. Grill is probably going to be more under the leading edge. The creases are a bit much and I wouldn't expect that front fender cut. Mirrors are too small and angled more than the teaser. Wheels of course just copy+paste, but the artist set the proportions too large albeit for artistic sake.

I say this hoping it's true because I think the car would look way better. Each to their own though. The general silhouette is exciting.
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Not me, I saw the 370z at the auto show and fell in love instantly. I liked the 350z but then when I saw the 370z I thought man the 350z looks way too tame now and like a “cute” girl car. I’m curious to see what the 400z becomes. I know it’s supposed to be influenced off the 240 but I really hope they don’t go too heavy on the retro revive thing as all the cars that have done that look dated very quickly (mustang etc) and if it looses the gorgeous coke bottle figure the 370z has then I’ll be really sad.
I really liked the 370Z for being an incremental upgrade. It's a little ironic as we also understand Nissan's questionable build quality and of course the consequential neglect over the CSC and oil cooling of this car.

But lighter, shorter, wider, more power, higher redline at the time the rev match was sliced bread, a little more of the fastback proportions, small things like relocating the rear body brace. I see how some people hate the redundancies, like carryover interior parts, but I thought the "tweak" approach was a proper way to continue a sports car line.

And I kinda hope the next Z is like that. Give me a better/modern interior, a little more power, hopefully a little less weight, try to keep it reliable and don't go to the moon in features.
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55k. It's a nissan. Nissan is already having money issues. Hell the gtr is way over priced.
That's one of many problems Nissan's having. And QC too.
Nismo Z maybe. But that's pushing it imo.
They need to have the 4cyn Z in the 20+k for sure and than go up from there.
But we shall c. They hve to price it right but they need to step up on the QC too.

I'll be in my bunk!
20's for the new 4 cylinder Z (if they even make one) ...no way! won't happen.
The 2021 Supra just announced price for their 4 cylinder model and it's MSRP is over $40,000!

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Even the BRZ was pushing 30k

I am curious how the development costs for the Z and the Supra compare. Toyota essentially punted the development of a new chassis by licensing an existing one and fine tuning some stuff. Nissan *appears* to be cost cutting but . . . not developing a new chassis at all. Maybe we get a couple upgraded components, or maybe even the same components with better materials.

I'm sure they still have to crash test it again with the feds, and then the new engine/chassis combo needs to go through all the emissions crap
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I really liked the 370Z for being an incremental upgrade. It's a little ironic as we also understand Nissan's questionable build quality and of course the consequential neglect over the CSC and oil cooling of this car.

But lighter, shorter, wider, more power, higher redline at the time the rev match was sliced bread, a little more of the fastback proportions, small things like relocating the rear body brace. I see how some people hate the redundancies, like carryover interior parts, but I thought the "tweak" approach was a proper way to continue a sports car line.

And I kinda hope the next Z is like that. Give me a better/modern interior, a little more power, hopefully a little less weight, try to keep it reliable and don't go to the moon in features.
I agree completely.

The thing is they have to compete with the muscle cars in the segment. People WILL cross shop those. Because they're good looking cars, with good performance, and a cool factor at a similar price point. Those cars can also handle these days. In theory the buyers should be very different from each other but they aren't. It's clear that's where the money is.

I imagine a good looking twin-turbo 6 with 400hp at around 3450lbs with modern tech at around a 40k price point could actually be competitive with the muscle cars sales wise.

I doubt they go the "cheaper cayman" route. Lighter, higher revving, NA, etc.
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Even the BRZ was pushing 30k

I am curious how the development costs for the Z and the Supra compare. Toyota essentially punted the development of a new chassis by licensing an existing one and fine tuning some stuff. Nissan *appears* to be cost cutting but . . . not developing a new chassis at all. Maybe we get a couple upgraded components, or maybe even the same components with better materials.

I'm sure they still have to crash test it again with the feds, and then the new engine/chassis combo needs to go through all the emissions crap
They never crash tested the Z34. Only the Z33.
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They never crash tested the Z34. Only the Z33.
It’s accentually a Q60/370Z love child with tweaks so it probably won’t have to go through federal emissions stuff or crash testing.
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