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Originally Posted by mishuko I can guarantee you those blind spot indicators mean ****. If you don't look you don't look. In fact I've been run out of my lane

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Old 09-14-2016, 02:40 PM   #2671 (permalink)
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I can guarantee you those blind spot indicators mean ****. If you don't look you don't look. In fact I've been run out of my lane and almost side swiped by all those sport SUV piece of .... drivers on the regular on local roads. I see the fakers blind spot light up too
Agree, I think BSM is useless. I've driven tons of rentals with them and ignore it always. A simple mirror check is always better

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I don't have a back up cam but thunk they would be a good check for the blind spots that my mirror and rear window can't catch. Or the ******** that like to crouch behind my car?
I only find it useful when I can't see anything out the sides. Like backing out of a spot in a busy lot. Other than that I never really use it.
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:35 PM   #2672 (permalink)
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I thinnk the keyword in FP's statement is "I"


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Pretty sure he never said it wasn't useful to others.
Except he made this blanket statement, which seems to berate those who are interested in safety/aid technology.

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Exactly the kind of spot I wouldn't want to park the Z
I agree, but it's not always by choice.

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Plus, I prefer to keep my backing and parallel parking skills honed by using them and not relying on technology to do it for me.
Sure, but just because someone uses said tools, doesn't necessarily mean they're bad at the task. I've honed my parallel parking back when I had to park in Berkely, CA, during rush hour University hours. When a tool is available to make the process easier, and done with better precision, I'm gonna use it.

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And these blind spot and lane monitoring and many other so-called safety features IMO achieve the exact opposite of their intended purpose by making people more reliant on driver aids so they can pay less attention to actual driving
Then you're gonna hate the future of Autopilots with people playing on their phones and letting the Tech do everything for them. I'm just gonna wait for the first gen to release and watch the news with popcorn at the ready.
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Isn't the reason for the camera is because people kept running over their kids while backing out driveways?

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Old 09-14-2016, 04:47 PM   #2674 (permalink)
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Isn't the reason for the camera is because people kept running over their kids while backing out driveways?

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The concept and the application of the Backup camera was introduced long before any regulation was set for them. There was a concept car in the 1950s that had one, but it wasn't in production.

However, the relatively recent regulation for backup cameras is because of people getting backed into, particularly kids.
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Old 09-14-2016, 05:38 PM   #2675 (permalink)
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The keyword in all you said is VISCERAL. in my opinion. If the experience isn't visceral. It's not a car worth buying. So while technology May have progressed over the years at the expense of feedback. I don't see how losing a connection to the road will ever be good for motor sports. We've always fallen back to trying to maintain some type of feedback through the wheel with each technological breakthrough. These 6 years is the first time in history that many car companies are choosing tech over a complete driving experience IN SPORTS CARS. Another key factor. These are sports cars not passenger vehicles.

Companies like Alfa Romeo, Jaguar, Lotus and Mercedes have all taken steps to ensure feedback is a sensation NOT mitigated in order to boost the overall drivers experience. I say if I can name 4 companies that have made feedback a priority in our high tech state of the auto industry? So can the rest. Even Mazda, who uses electric steering have found a way to provide feedback. It's all important in a sports car. I don't see how FEEDBACK can be considered subjective in a car type that's intentionally designed to stir the senses even morsso than provide power?

While the progressive mentality may say tally ho and on with technology. Which is great if we're not talking about a niche group of performance vehicles.... I don't think we need to progress to the point where we kill VISCERAL, in the driving experience in cars designed purely for SPORTING INTENTIONS. My Z is very direct. I've found only flaws in my suspension and the numbness in my steering wheel under 15mph, which I'm never there. I don't need my car to feel like my playstation. I need my PlayStation to feel like my car.
I get what you are saying. But visceral is ultimately always subjectively "authentic".

The feedback you are getting is all funneled through a tuned set of shock absorbers, springs, tires, chassis bracing, and so on. It's adjusted according to the padding on the steering wheel and the calluses on your hands. Its affected by your attention and memory-based versions of past experiences (themselves a cobbled together semblance of something resembling reality).

The inputs are always muted or modified or somehow adjusted, and we adapt to that. If you turn the car and can't feel the road, the feedback system has failed, and in the absence of any road contact feedback, you'll have to rely 100% on your eyes or the sensation of vestibular re-orientation, as if the car is gliding. Take out the feedback from your inner ear, and you get vertigo, the eye movements failing to match the head and body's re-orientation experiences.

It's a very wide continuum is all I'm saying. It's not an on/off switch.

You may not like it, and your reasons for being dubious about it are valid. Nissan may do a poor job engineering the tech, or they do a great job and some drivers will still bristle at the thought of yet another disconnect from their ultimately subjective and highly personal version of their driving experience.

My (overly optimistic?) hope is that this will lead to an incredibly tunable level of control over how driver inputs and road feedback are adjusted to the individual driver. That sounds pretty cool to me.

It may suck and individual results may vary.

The comparison to video games always comes up. I personally find 1st person shooters non-immersive and headache inducing; I like 3rd person "movie" style action games and find them incredibly immersive.

It's perceptual, and perceptions are adaptive and subjective.
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i just got bad news, the z will no longer be produced. i heard this from ryan locthe
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Hahaha this made my morning much better. Well played sir
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Well Ill have you know I have it on good authority Brian Williams from NBC said he personally saw the new Z35 lineup in Japan just 2 weeks ago. Its a go boys.
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Then you're gonna hate the future of Autopilots with people playing on their phones and letting the Tech do everything for them. I'm just gonna wait for the first gen to release and watch the news with popcorn at the ready.
What makes you say that? I am all for the technology doing EVERYTHING as long as I can still drive my own car. But until then, these fuckin people are still in control of huge masses of steel on wheels, and giving them more opportunities to distract themselves is not a good thing.
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I hope the next Z has auto pilot alongside a 500hp TT v6, and clocks in at 2000lbs. That way I can download the latest update for the track and sit in the passenger seat to enjoy the sports car experience. I can also brag about my lap times on social media WHILE I'm on the track! All of this for $25k too. Fingers crossed, come on Nissan!
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Hahaha this made my morning much better. Well played sir
See I find hard to believe. He wasn't at gun point.
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See I find hard to believe. He wasn't at gun point.

Ryan Lochte jokes almost a full month after the Olympics? That is pretty impressive, unless we have some Dancing with the Stars fans in here.
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What makes you say that? I am all for the technology doing EVERYTHING as long as I can still drive my own car. But until then, these fuckin people are still in control of huge masses of steel on wheels, and giving them more opportunities to distract themselves is not a good thing.
I'm thinking in terms of the initial years of Autopilot, which will involve a lot of trial and error. You know there's going to be a disclaimer that the driver, while under autonomous driving, should still be alert and be prepared to take the wheel at any given time. But many will ignore that and probably play on their phone or even take a nap.

And while there are those who may fully trust autonomous driving, you're still going to have plenty of people who aren't using it, and you still have to watch out for their unpredictable behavior.

So as you say, you don't like the idea of people being completely reliant on tech, which could make them complacent, and potentially a worse driver, I see the first years of Autonomous driving being a lot of that.
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I'm thinking in terms of the initial years of Autopilot, which will involve a lot of trial and error. You know there's going to be a disclaimer that the driver, while under autonomous driving, should still be alert and be prepared to take the wheel at any given time. But many will ignore that and probably play on their phone or even take a nap.

And while there are those who may fully trust autonomous driving, you're still going to have plenty of people who aren't using it, and you still have to watch out for their unpredictable behavior.

So as you say, you don't like the idea of people being completely reliant on tech, which could make them complacent, and potentially a worse driver, I see the first years of Autonomous driving being a lot of that.
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you're still going to have plenty of people who aren't using it, and you still have to watch out for their unpredictable behavior
I don't believe autonomous driving (even shitty 1st gen) is going to make this any worse. Defensive driving? That's par for the course already. We'll just have to wait and see.
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