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Originally Posted by Rusty Maybe we should change the title of the thread to" Wish List for the New Z." My idea. Use the Alfa Romeo 4C as an idea

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Old 09-27-2015, 11:34 PM   #751 (permalink)
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Maybe we should change the title of the thread to" Wish List for the New Z."

My idea.

Use the Alfa Romeo 4C as an idea for base construction. The carbon fiber tub with bolt-on aluminum sub-frames, plastic/carbon fiber body panels. It still can be a front mid-engine sports car (think the lay-out like a small Viper ACR, but not the look). 3L V6, twin turbo, 400 or so hp. 6 speed sequential tranny. 6 piston front, 4 piston rear brakes. A true LSD. Computer nannies that you have full control over. Like Rain, Street, Race mode. Fully adjustable suspension. 100" wheelbase. 19" rims with 295's front, and 345's rear of sticky rubber. Think the weight could be under 2,800 lbs. Price, depends on how far you want to go with the light weight stuff, and the quality of the parts.
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like i said before, the z should never have a 4 banger for its power plant, its meant to have 6.

if you drop a 4 banger turbo, just bring back the 240sx. competitive with all the new 4 cylinder engines on the market now.
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Well it needs engine options to compete with other 4 Cyn cars. If it can't stay competitive with price then history will repeat itself. If the rumors r true then its going to happen. Making the Z a different style hell not even the same car

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Like I said. It's a wish list, idea. Nothing more. It's doable, but at what price point? 10 yrs down the road. Some company like Ferrari will build it, because V8's, V10's and anything over 5 liters will be a thing of the past.
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You're speaking in hypothetics. Your friend who is giving you info doesn't know what he's talking about because the only people who know the weight of the next Z are in the actual production lab. There's Been "NO INFO WHATSOEVER" and the most viable info we have is that the next Z will be a suped up Juke 3 door. The 5 door Juke is 2800lbs Soooooo? Even with the most ridiculous rumor in automotive history. The Z would probably be down 550lbs in weight. No one knows anything. So don't trust what you hear. It's as much speculation as this whole thread.

As far as no enthusiasts willing to pay? The only reason why people complain about the Z's power, in reality. It's cuz, our engines cost over $15,000 to properly add forced induction with a proper suspension tune to hold the power. If you own an auto. $23,000.

The Z still out handles all of the competition. The Z, if it remains at the same exact price? All they have to do is compete with the v6 Camaro, ecoboost Mustang and the challenger R/T.
The Z is soon to be no longer the fastest v6 on the market. Because we were stagnant and other vehicles progressed. They caught up to us.

We WILL NOT be able to compete with V8's without adding a premium to the price.

Mercedes gave infiniti, the turbo 4 for the Q50 and it will be an identical 208hp as in the C300.

Nissan may adopt the C400 engine which is a turbo 3.0 cranking 328hp. Maybe the Z will continue to only push 332hp. But if it has a turbo engine? Expect a $3,000 premium on that alone. If the in-house tune it and it's 400hp off the rip to compete with v8's? Expect it to cost in the range of v'8's just like the 09 z34. The Mustang was 30,000 back then. So was the Z. So look at a Mustang GT base price. And I give you the price of a 380-400hp Z.

People will pay cuz the Z driving experience is incomparable to other cars in the range. Muscle are all inherently similar. Just each model is better at one particular thing over the other..
no friend is giving me anything, i don't know the guy. it was a guy that works at nissan, that's an enthusiast and he said that's what he heard from the people from nissan.

it is a little ridiculous that it costs 15-20k to add boost to the car.

the z sold the most units when it came out in 2009, every year after that it's been down. they average about 7k a year. that is partially to z getting left behind and other car manufacturers upgrading their cars.

it is mainly just speculation right now what the next z will be, if there will be one. but if they do come out and are in the 50k price range, i'll just get a used gtr.
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You guys are almost embarrassing with your pipe dreams about tt 3.0 new z"s and all that mumbo jumbo.

The z failed in sales and even the Nissan heads admitted they need to downsize for a more fuel efficient engine and it may not even be called a z! Nissan has no clue what they're doing all they do is release cvt garbage and they are bottom of the consumer ratings report and the leaders of recalls.
But ya keep speculating and typing nonsense about 400hp z "s and stupid rumors that aren't even confirmed.
soooooooooooo the info is released and it's all said and done we gang banging this guy?

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soooooooooooo the info is released and it's all said and done we gang banging this guy?

i'll bring the lube......or we just using blood as lube?



i vote for blood
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I am a huge Z fan. Ive owned 2 350z's and a Nismo 370z. What I suspect if the new Z is released and they don't cut from the lineup (its always a possibility) is the following.

Nissan has made numerous comments about a revolution not evolution as well as a lighter more compact car. I actually test drove a BRZ the other day for fun and the size felt ok for my 5"9 150 pounds but I couldn't imagine that car for a larger person. The new Z will need to be larger then that but still retain a weight of 3000 pounds or under to compete with a 4 cylinder turbo option.

That being said the BRZ weighs around 2700ish pounds. With 200hp it is very slow.
If the new Z can shoot for a sub 3000 weight and having a lower end 4 cylinder turbo option with 240-260hp and a V6TT option with around 400hp they would then beat out the FRS/BRZ with the lower end and the mustang/Camaro end with the upper end.

Pricing would need to be appropriate like below
Base Z35- $28,000-$31,000 (4 Cylinder Turbo)
V6TT Z35- $38,000- $45,000 (6 cylinder turbo)

There should also be a significant exterior change for the 4cyl vs the 6 cyl.
One thing I hate about the Mustang is ALL models pretty much look the same. Nissan needs to make the higher end like a top of the line Vette vs the base.
Things like functional vents, carbon parts, lower stance, bigger brakes etc for the higher performance model.

I will say as of right now for 2016 new model cars there is nothing I would buy. The new STI is ugly, The EVO is dead, the 2016 370z with the noise cancelling crap, Honda and Toyota offer nothing, the new mustang is fun to drive but where I live its like the most common car purchased. THe brs/frs is just too damn slow for me coming from a Nismo 370z and a modded 350Z.

I am very hopeful in Toyota or Nissan releasing something amazing in the next 2 years that will be like the 90s where amazing Japanese cars ruled the car world!
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I am a huge Z fan. Ive owned 2 350z's and a Nismo 370z. What I suspect if the new Z is released and they don't cut from the lineup (its always a possibility) is the following.

Nissan has made numerous comments about a revolution not evolution as well as a lighter more compact car. I actually test drove a BRZ the other day for fun and the size felt ok for my 5"9 150 pounds but I couldn't imagine that car for a larger person. The new Z will need to be larger then that but still retain a weight of 3000 pounds or under to compete with a 4 cylinder turbo option.

That being said the BRZ weighs around 2700ish pounds. With 200hp it is very slow.
If the new Z can shoot for a sub 3000 weight and having a lower end 4 cylinder turbo option with 240-260hp and a V6TT option with around 400hp they would then beat out the FRS/BRZ with the lower end and the mustang/Camaro end with the upper end.

Pricing would need to be appropriate like below
Base Z35- $28,000-$31,000 (4 Cylinder Turbo)
V6TT Z35- $38,000- $45,000 (6 cylinder turbo)

There should also be a significant exterior change for the 4cyl vs the 6 cyl.
One thing I hate about the Mustang is ALL models pretty much look the same. Nissan needs to make the higher end like a top of the line Vette vs the base.
Things like functional vents, carbon parts, lower stance, bigger brakes etc for the higher performance model.

I will say as of right now for 2016 new model cars there is nothing I would buy. The new STI is ugly, The EVO is dead, the 2016 370z with the noise cancelling crap, Honda and Toyota offer nothing, the new mustang is fun to drive but where I live its like the most common car purchased. THe brs/frs is just too damn slow for me coming from a Nismo 370z and a modded 350Z.

I am very hopeful in Toyota or Nissan releasing something amazing in the next 2 years that will be like the 90s where amazing Japanese cars ruled the car world!
Well I think the new sti sedan not the crappy shitty looking hatch backs looks pretty good

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^ I agree with most of the above, only I don't think the Sti is that ugly and you can still lease Evos without having to worry about resale. Those two and the Z are the only decent Japanese options in the US right now.

I do hope Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Mazda come up with some exciting fast sports cars. But I'm keeping my hopes low, the world seems to be going electric and it's all about MPG and HOV lanes - and weird funky design lines - now.



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The problem with Toyota and Honda, if they ever come out with sporty cars, it will be a 4 crapper with some sort of hybrid

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Personally I don't mind if its a 4 cylinder, I just want it to be fast. If its a sports car it needs to accelerate well. Even the Lotus Elise is a 4 cylinder but it goes. So I don't care if they achieve that by making it lighter or adding a turbo or just a bigger engine, it needs to be fast and handle well.
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Personally I don't mind if its a 4 cylinder, I just want it to be fast. If its a sports car it needs to accelerate well. Even the Lotus Elise is a 4 cylinder but it goes. So I don't care if they achieve that by making it lighter or adding a turbo or just a bigger engine, it needs to be fast and handle well.
lotus weighs about 1000 lbs less I would hope its quick with a supercharged 4 banger lol
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lotus weighs about 1000 lbs less I would hope its quick with a supercharged 4 banger lol
Exactly. Cars like the BRZ and Miata can be so much better with a turbo. If Honda-Toyota-Nissan-Mazda can give me something like that, I will still buy it regardless of whether its a 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder.
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