[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Volk Z · 07-26-2016, 09:37 AM

Nissan have been working on the next Z for a little while now, if anyone saw the Jay Leno episode he went to the Nissan headquarters where he was in the Z department and the sketch artists and designers were talking to him and showing him a few sketches...

Nissan isn't going to pay people to sit and draw for fun... Its in the works as we have heard from head Nissan Execs that the Z will live "forever" now of course money changes the word forever if sales died completely or Nissan went out of business BUT Nissan has made it thus far.

They also have the ability with the modular chassis and the V6TT engine to make a 3000 pound car plus or minus a few pounds and even up the boost slightly to have a 415-430hp engine in the Z (VR30DTT only uses 14.5 pounds currently I believe). That power to weight ratio would put them in a slight niche in a good way.----
1. That engine I believe already gets 31MPG on the Q50. With a Z weighing 600-700 pounds less than a Q50 the gas mileage highway could exceed 34mpg.
2. The handling and braking on a car so light would put it worlds ahead of a mustang, Camaro and other "competition".
3. The car would be a track monster while maintaining practicality of great fuel economy.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-26-2016, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

Nissan have been working on the next Z for a little while now, if anyone saw the Jay Leno episode he went to the Nissan headquarters where he was in the Z department and the sketch artists and designers were talking to him and showing him a few sketches...

Nissan isn't going to pay people to sit and draw for fun... Its in the works as we have heard from head Nissan Execs that the Z will live "forever" now of course money changes the word forever if sales died completely or Nissan went out of business BUT Nissan has made it thus far.

They also have the ability with the modular chassis and the V6TT engine to make a 3000 pound car plus or minus a few pounds and even up the boost slightly to have a 415-430hp engine in the Z (VR30DTT only uses 14.5 pounds currently I believe). That power to weight ratio would put them in a slight niche in a good way.----
1. That engine I believe already gets 31MPG on the Q50. With a Z weighing 600-700 pounds less than a Q50 the gas mileage highway could exceed 34mpg.
2. The handling and braking on a car so light would put it worlds ahead of a mustang, Camaro and other "competition".
3. The car would be a track monster while maintaining practicality of great fuel economy.

ped · 07-26-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by allZeeingeye

The new Z, when it finally comes out, will be the first year of the new generation and I have a feeling I wont be at all disappointed that I didn't wait for the new one to come out.

That's what a lot of 350Z owners said and look how much nicer the 370Z is than the 350Z. Don't be that guy.

ped · 07-26-2016, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck

There was talk of the Supra being a hybrid at one point, electric motors for the front wheels and gas/electric for the back. Then again, that's been said about the GTR, too. I'll believe it when me **** turns pink.

I have it on good authority that your **** is already pink (depending on which definition of "****" we're using).

ped · 07-26-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

They also have the ability with the modular chassis and the V6TT engine to make a 3000 pound car plus or minus a few pounds and even up the boost slightly to have a 415-430hp engine in the Z (VR30DTT only uses 14.5 pounds currently I believe). That power to weight ratio would put them in a slight niche in a good way.----

1. That engine I believe already gets 31MPG on the Q50. With a Z weighing 600-700 pounds less than a Q50 the gas mileage highway could exceed 34mpg.
2. The handling and braking on a car so light would put it worlds ahead of a mustang, Camaro and other "competition".
3. The car would be a track monster while maintaining practicality of great fuel economy.

I like how you think - SOLD!

Chuck33079 · 07-26-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ped

Not really fair there since the Z is getting long in the tooth - of course it's sales numbers will lag compared to when it came out. Other manufacturers have had nearly a DECADE to one-up it!

Z34 sales were abysmal after the first year. It underperformed their targets from the beginning. The total number of Z34s sold was less than one year of 350 sales. They launched a good sports car right in the beginning of a recession and then the competition got much better.

Z_ealot · 07-26-2016, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Z34 sales were abysmal after the first year. It underperformed their targets from the beginning. The total number of Z34s sold was less than one year of 350 sales. They launched a good sports car right in the beginning of a recession and then the competition got much better.

Same thing happens to the miata after they release a new model if you've ever looked at their sales figures....first 2 years sell well and then drop off sharply thereafter

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Chuck33079 · 07-26-2016, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

Same thing happens to the miata after they release a new model if you've ever looked at their sales figures....first 2 years sell well and then drop off sharply thereafter

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Yes, but even with a sharp dropoff, the Miata still moves a lot of units.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-26-2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Z34 sales were abysmal after the first year. It underperformed their targets from the beginning. The total number of Z34s sold was less than one year of 350 sales. They launched a good sports car right in the beginning of a recession and then the competition got much better.

The second year wasn't too bad. They sold about 10,512.

ped · 07-26-2016, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Z34 sales were abysmal after the first year. It underperformed their targets from the beginning. The total number of Z34s sold was less than one year of 350 sales. They launched a good sports car right in the beginning of a recession and then the competition got much better.

Wow you're right - I don't even get that. I didn't even consider a Z until the 370Z came out, as the 350Z was butt-ugly IMO. So strange that a better-looking, faster and with upgrades all around sold worse than the 350Z.

mishuko · 07-26-2016, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Z34 sales were abysmal after the first year. It underperformed their targets from the beginning. The total number of Z34s sold was less than one year of 350 sales. They launched a good sports car right in the beginning of a recession and then the competition got much better.

yea it started to doo poorly in sales but it was launched right into a recession for the major target market.

not to mention by time the economy and middle class had more disposable income and the revival of the murican muscle cars with their huge improvements over the older generation... yea...

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-26-2016, 04:47 PM

The VQ was maxed out on power. You needed F.I. or a stroker kit to get power out of it. Muscle had brand new engines and multi-million dollar ad campaigns. Shortly after, in 2012, everything began turning F.I. ASk the Nissan refresh was considered weak.

On paper the Z was falling behind and the mainstream media was focusing on paper stats. The Z appeared to be technologically inferior.

The Z still felt better behind the wheel than all its competitors despite its shortcomings.

The next Z I believe will show & prove.

Montez · 07-26-2016, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The honest truth is that we'll be lucky if they don't kill the Z outright. It was a sales disaster. Ghosn runs his company by the numbers, and if the Z is only selling 5k a year we won't have a Z for long. It's a hard sell for Nissan to spend a lot of money retooling for such a low volume seller.

I agree, it's reminding me of 95/96 with the Z32 but for slightly different reasons. Those cars did not sell that well due to the outrageous pricing for the time mainly, so the car took a hiatus for 7 years to give Nissan plenty of time to think of a new strategy to come up with a highly successful Z33 a better price point. The Z34 is not successful do to low sales, different economy and pretty much minor updates over it's production run that has made it stale in may peoples eyes, every other car has been updated and has much more technology on board. I can see another hiatus coming or it being dropped totally unfortunately, even though it's intended as a low production product it has not met it's predicted low number of sales.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-26-2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Montez

I agree, it's reminding me of 95/96 with the Z32 but for slightly different reasons. Those cars did not sell that well due to the outrageous pricing for the time mainly, so the car took a hiatus for 7 years to give Nissan plenty of time to think of a new strategy to come up with a highly successful Z33 a better price point. The Z34 is not successful do to low sales, different economy and pretty much minor updates over it's production run that has made it stale in may peoples eyes, every other car has been updated and has much more technology on board. I can see another hiatus coming or it being dropped totally unfortunately, even though it's intended as a low production product it has not met it's predicted low number of sales.

Nissan didn't have the upcoming next generation modular chassis to be able to make multiple style cars with a Lego style chassis. There's a distinct possibility this will be the new chassis. Being modular means the likelihood of the Z being a global platform is high, keeping costs even lower Also the cost of computers are SEVERELY lower than the 90's. You can't really compare the two eras as the way production is managed is on a level of efficiency that makes the 90's ancient.

Besides, Nissan was pushing a brand new and up and coming brand called infiniti that was competing with two other up and coming brands, Acura & Lexus that was draining there pockets as well.on top of the yen situation....

So many perspectives to look from.

sunkist350z · 07-27-2016, 09:47 PM

Yesterday, I was reading the new August issue of Automobile magazine and the cover had a picture of z35. Does anyone have that issue that can scan the article?

Cover looks like this:

07-26-2016, 09:37 AM	#2251 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3065	Nissan have been working on the next Z for a little while now, if anyone saw the Jay Leno episode he went to the Nissan headquarters where he was in the Z department and the sketch artists and designers were talking to him and showing him a few sketches... Nissan isn't going to pay people to sit and draw for fun... Its in the works as we have heard from head Nissan Execs that the Z will live "forever" now of course money changes the word forever if sales died completely or Nissan went out of business BUT Nissan has made it thus far. They also have the ability with the modular chassis and the V6TT engine to make a 3000 pound car plus or minus a few pounds and even up the boost slightly to have a 415-430hp engine in the Z (VR30DTT only uses 14.5 pounds currently I believe). That power to weight ratio would put them in a slight niche in a good way.---- 1. That engine I believe already gets 31MPG on the Q50. With a Z weighing 600-700 pounds less than a Q50 the gas mileage highway could exceed 34mpg. 2. The handling and braking on a car so light would put it worlds ahead of a mustang, Camaro and other "competition". 3. The car would be a track monster while maintaining practicality of great fuel economy. UNKNOWN_370, cautupwitdm, ped and 2 others like this. __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON Last edited by Volk Z; 07-26-2016 at 09:40 AM.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	The VQ was maxed out on power. You needed F.I. or a stroker kit to get power out of it. Muscle had brand new engines and multi-million dollar ad campaigns. Shortly after, in 2012, everything began turning F.I. ASk the Nissan refresh was considered weak. On paper the Z was falling behind and the mainstream media was focusing on paper stats. The Z appeared to be technologically inferior. The Z still felt better behind the wheel than all its competitors despite its shortcomings. The next Z I believe will show & prove. Volk Z and cautupwitdm like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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