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damascus 06-23-2009 08:13 PM

370Z... modern day FD RX-7?
 
hi all,

i've been following the 370Z and am really impressed. as the owner of a super clean '94 RX-7 - i find that the 2 cars have a parallel spirit... my car even has RAYS forged wheels! what do you all think?

when i realize that i need a more 'modern' version of my RX-7, i may pursue a 2009 370Z.

for now, here are few photos of my RX-7.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...y312009006.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...y312009009.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...7/DSC_5806.jpg

import111 06-23-2009 09:28 PM

I LOVE 3rd gen RX-7's. Yours looks very nice. I kind of agree with you. They both are 2 seater sports cars that looks very nice and have about the same power stock...(RX-7 has less power but weighs less so they accelerate about the same). If I was rich, I would rather have a 3rd gen RX-7 than the 370Z, but sice I am not rich and I can only afford 1 car, I chose the Z.

k20z3 06-23-2009 09:32 PM

Love the RX7's :)

blue660r01 06-23-2009 09:39 PM

No....rx7 > z

blue660r01 06-23-2009 09:41 PM

I almost bout a 94 rx7. Black with tan leather interoir and the stock rear wing, and 3in exhaust. I didnt because of the reliability issues however. I know they say get the upgraded gauges and silicone hoses but I didnt want to risk it. How many miles are on yours and have you had to rebuild or replace the motor yet?

510z 06-23-2009 09:44 PM

I love it. They should just break out the old tooling. the FD would easily pass as a 2010 model.

weltall 06-23-2009 09:46 PM

WOW that is probably the mintiest FD rx7 i have ever seen

damascus 06-24-2009 06:20 AM

thanks guys. the FD is an enthusiasts car that is really unique in so many ways. everything about it was engineered with keeping the weight down... the seat frames are carbon fiber (for a 15 year old car - that's pretty cool). all of the 'reliability' issues have been addressed with my car (long list of Pettit gear, KOYO radiator, etc.) plus it has been upgraded with a complete 3" exhaust - but it's all tasteful... not loud... even sourced a 3" high performance catalytic mid-pipe. It has north of 340 HP at the wheels... the car weighs around 2,600#.

The car is documented (window sticker, all receipts, etc.) and has ~84K. It has original paint and interior... everything looks almost new. The red leather 'Touring' edition is supposedly 1 of 23 delivered to the US in '94.

I just realized that it sounds as if I'm writing a want ad... I'm not ready to sell it but when I do I will look to this forum first for a nice 'enthusiast owned' Z car. You all are a great community.

nogoodname 06-24-2009 10:32 AM

you got to get a Z with orange interior to try and match the cars together


i like RX-7's, Supra's, then G's & Z's

fly yellow 06-24-2009 11:41 AM

That is a nice looking RX-7. Mazda took a giant step backwards with the RX-8 IMHO.

Whatever happened to flip up headlights on cars. Are they now illegal, or just no longer in style?

mjd77 06-24-2009 11:58 AM

Mazda has been working on a new rotary called the 16x with DI, more power, and better mpg than the current 13b in the rx-8. I wish they would hurry up with it. That 7 is legendary, but mazda doesn't seem to want to match or better it.

shesha 06-24-2009 12:01 PM

I have yet to feel the same way about any car as I did when I sat in and drove a RX 7. I felt like I was in the cockpit of a fighter jet.

RX 7>370z.

I heard a rumor they are bringing the RX 7 back........

nogoodname 06-24-2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly yellow (Post 98440)
That is a nice looking RX-7. Mazda took a giant step backwards with the RX-8 IMHO.

Whatever happened to flip up headlights on cars. Are they now illegal, or just no longer in style?


not in style anymore :icon23: :p

phelan 06-24-2009 12:48 PM

^ unfortunately, too. i'm a sucker for the FC RX-7s. not the convertibles, though, that seems kind of pointless to me.

damascus 06-24-2009 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly yellow (Post 98440)
Whatever happened to flip up headlights on cars. Are they now illegal, or just no longer in style?

style is a part of the change - looks butt ugly with the lights up for sure...

cars are not as low in the front end anymore for modern lighting issues and more recently, due to NHSTA mandates addressing pedestrian frontal impact design. have you noticed the huge change recently in front bumper/grill/hood areas? take a look at how the MINI Cooper, Nissan Maxima, Toyota Camry, etc. have evolved. You can even see it in the new 370Z and GTR. The front end is almost completely squared off to address the pedestrian vs. automobile issue. Sad...

The_Zed_car 06-24-2009 01:06 PM

Definitely not Rx7 in spirit.

The FD3S is a "better" sports car.

The Z is a different beast.

wstar 06-24-2009 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly yellow (Post 98440)
Whatever happened to flip up headlights on cars. Are they now illegal, or just no longer in style?

Not to derail too much about the wonderful RX-7 above, but I hate flip-up headlights. My last car had them. The reason I hate them is that they change the aerodynamics of the car on a night drive.

nogoodname 06-24-2009 01:25 PM

and then the inevitable happens....the one light pops up only

damascus 06-24-2009 01:37 PM

... that's why i don't drive it at night. it looks funny and the lights suck too!

510z 06-24-2009 01:59 PM

do not sell that car. you will regret it forever. just wait until you can afford the 370z also

nogoodname 06-24-2009 02:03 PM

you got to keep it...it's a classic


keep it as the garaged car and use it for summers

Togo 06-27-2009 10:19 PM

Love the car! I've been a huge fan of 3rd Gens since I first saw one, wayyyyy before "that movie" came out!!!

GreenJalapeno 06-28-2009 12:30 AM

wow gorgeous ! theres a white FD up my block with 40k on the chassis and a rebuilt+streetported engine. One of the cleanest i have seen... I was so close to buying it but the owner changed his mind last second.

edeeZee 06-28-2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by damascus (Post 98484)
style is a part of the change - looks butt ugly with the lights up for sure...

cars are not as low in the front end anymore for modern lighting issues and more recently, due to NHSTA mandates addressing pedestrian frontal impact design. have you noticed the huge change recently in front bumper/grill/hood areas? take a look at how the MINI Cooper, Nissan Maxima, Toyota Camry, etc. have evolved. You can even see it in the new 370Z and GTR. The front end is almost completely squared off to address the pedestrian vs. automobile issue. Sad...

No way, the flip-ups are gorgeous! At least the FD does it gracefully. Yes, the sign of times deems that flip-ups are 80's-ish.

But yeah, the FD was one of my dream cars during high school. I had a friend who had the R1 brand spanking new, the red one. It fell apart easily from what I remembered i.e. the paint chipped easily, it overheated, it consumed oil too fast (I understand that rotaries consume oil), and had poor gas mileage.

I was about to buy either used S2000 AP2 or a FD prior to my 370, but I wanted to ask, are FD's really mechanical and tuning nightmares? I'd like to pick one up in the future because they're so gorgeous.

edeeZee 06-28-2009 01:06 AM

Yes: 370 = modern day FD3S

Why?
Because: both RX7 and 370 give same horsepower regardless of trim level
both handle 0.98 g's on skidpad
R1 is analogous to sport package base 6 speed--> cloth seats, no frills all business
both cars use aluminum body panels, but FD more so
both cars are gorgeous, voluptuous
both cars do a back-to-basics sports car approach i.e. no frivolous gadgets (OK maybe not the synchro-rev but it's 2009 peeps)
both are 2 seaters, no more 2+2 elongated "limo" Z a la Z32
Nissan engineers paid special attention to little things to reduce weight via the 370 base stereo, doors, hatch and hood, but 4 inches from wheel base and 2 from overall length

But uhh...the 370 can accelerate a little harder through the 0-60 and 1/4 but their top speeds are essentially the same.

So yes, the 370 grabbed the torched from the FD3S because the RX-8=fail.

AK370Z 06-28-2009 02:47 AM

Sweet car. I think somewhere down the line you'll regret selling something like that. 350Z/370Z are mass produced cars. ANYONE can walk up to a dealership and get their own. What you have in your garage is something not easy to find. Thanks for sharing

damascus 06-28-2009 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edeeZee (Post 101319)
No way, the flip-ups are gorgeous! At least the FD does it gracefully. Yes, the sign of times deems that flip-ups are 80's-ish.

But yeah, the FD was one of my dream cars during high school. I had a friend who had the R1 brand spanking new, the red one. It fell apart easily from what I remembered i.e. the paint chipped easily, it overheated, it consumed oil too fast (I understand that rotaries consume oil), and had poor gas mileage.

I was about to buy either used S2000 AP2 or a FD prior to my 370, but I wanted to ask, are FD's really mechanical and tuning nightmares? I'd like to pick one up in the future because they're so gorgeous.

great comments from all... the poor paint issue was resolved for the '94 & '95 model year - the '93 also had inferior interior trim pieces. rotaries do run hot. most of us have addressed that fairly easily with larger intercoolers, radiators, etc. no problems now. oil consumption? you bet! they actually have a 'OMP - oil metering pump' that sends oil into the combustion chamber to assist in cooling the motor!

edeeZee 06-28-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 101371)
Sweet car. I think somewhere down the line you'll regret selling something like that. 350Z/370Z are mass produced cars. ANYONE can walk up to a dealership and get their own. What you have in your garage is something not easy to find. Thanks for sharing

Here's the thing. In the mid 90s, the reason why the 'twin-turbo' Japanese sports cars died is because the yen-to-dollar ratio (the yen was 'overvalued' relative to the U.S. dollar) turned $35,000 Japanese cars into $45,000+ cars. The Supra MKIV twin turbo was like $52,000 brand new. This alone made all the Japanese car manufacturers vastly reduce their outputs of these twin turbo cars. Look at Toyota now, they are no sports cars for sale. MR2 sypder and Celica=bye bye. But if Supra is revived, then 370 might get whooped on. They're into what sells mass quantity-wise i.e. Prius, Camry and the likes. And also, changes in trend back then, SUV's started becoming popular thanks to rap-stars.

It's not that they were rare per se, it's just they were getting too expensive i.e. becoming poor values and people dramatically started buying less of them.

The average rate of inflation is 3%/yr. A $35,000 sports car in 1993 is a $56,000 car today.

Diversion 06-28-2009 10:23 AM

Without getting into a reliability debate, we know the clear winner here. It's even hard to say mod for mod which one would be faster considering again, the reliability of how long a FD RX7 would last.. lastly, I'd almost RATHER swap in a LS1 and get functioning AC (if possible yet?) and turn the RX7 into a reliable, faster than a 370Z machine tbh..

Edit: And how many well kept, clean RX7s do you see anymore? I can guarantee you'd break more necks in the RX7 than you would in a new 370Z.. And us 370z owners break A LOT of necks..

edeeZee 06-28-2009 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diversion (Post 101481)
Without getting into a reliability debate, we know the clear winner here. It's even hard to say mod for mod which one would be faster considering again, the reliability of how long a FD RX7 would last.. lastly, I'd almost RATHER swap in a LS1 and get functioning AC (if possible yet?) and turn the RX7 into a reliable, faster than a 370Z machine tbh..

Edit: And how many well kept, clean RX7s do you see anymore? I can guarantee you'd break more necks in the RX7 than you would in a new 370Z.. And us 370z owners break A LOT of necks..

I read into the LS-7's on Hinson's website, and uhh...I'd rather do the 2JZ swap. With the LS1, you need to cut the front of the FD's chasis, I won't compromise the structural rigidity of a car-->you automatically ruin the handling, weight distribution and SAFETY of the car when you do that. A 2JZ swap runs close to $20K, a LS1 swap is a little cheaper, I think $15,000 for a basic. If I'm gonna spend $10,000 for a blown-motor FD and another $20K on top, that = $30K...and uh, I'd rather have a brand new car with a factory warranty over some precarious "project car."

I live in S. Cali, where most people are superficial and 'what you drive is who you are.' I only seen 3 370Z's thus far on the road here in Los Angeles, and it's been out for like 6 months already. I doubt the 370 will become ubiquitous because of the current economic conditions. I sure hope they don't at least. I see more curent model Mustangs and even the new 'bumble bee Camaro' than 370's.

ERZperformance 07-02-2009 09:58 PM

I miss my 3rd gen Rx-7, almost 11 year ago when I had that

damascus 07-03-2009 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edeeZee (Post 101485)
If I'm gonna spend $10,000 for a blown-motor FD and another $20K on top, that = $30K...and uh, I'd rather have a brand new car with a factory warranty over some precarious "project car."

part of the charm with these rotary cars is that they are not expensive to maintain... i could get the rotary motor rebuilt for the cost of a brake/rotor job on an AMG. seriously, the rotary motor was selected to keep weight down. every pound counts. they are inexpensive to rebuild - very few parts - and many reputable builders can rebuild them for around $4,000 with a 5 year warranty:

Custom Rebuilding Svcs

$20,000? that would be nuts. [...and my factory A/C will freeze you out of the car, guaranteed.]

robbycarrion 02-23-2012 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damascus (Post 105491)
part of the charm with these rotary cars is that they are not expensive to maintain... i could get the rotary motor rebuilt for the cost of a brake/rotor job on an AMG. seriously, the rotary motor was selected to keep weight down. every pound counts. they are inexpensive to rebuild - very few parts - and many reputable builders can rebuild them for around $4,000 with a 5 year warranty:

Custom Rebuilding Svcs

$20,000? that would be nuts. [...and my factory A/C will freeze you out of the car, guaranteed.]

Dead thread but based on my affiliation with subject i couldnt resist...(own a 93 rew and a 09 touring..) i was on a long search for a newer sports car that could "fill" the rx7's shoes. I owned a 2010 2ss rs , hated it cause of lol american no turn. So after that.. i headed down ot the nissan dealer to check out the z they had. Test drove it. And loved it, it had the spirit of a sports car. Like an rx7. I love my rx7 and she isabout to be sold but, im glad i found the best replacement i could ask for. They are so similar in many ways


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