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45 miles will not make the car look like that..

If they were in fact doing 45 in a 15 technically speed would still be the main contributing factor in the accident considering that is 3 times the posted speed limit. None the less he was a major factor in my passion for cars.. RIP to Paul and his friend Roger, gone way to soon way too young.

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being a carrera gt did not help the situation,body build on carbon fiber, having mid engine and gas tank in front, they probably would have survived if it was not that kind of car or has not caught on fire, but who knows..

Im curious as to how long the stretch of road is he was driving on. stopping distance in a Carrera GT is 124ft from 60mph.....

Not when you are out of control..

I am thinking he took the corner too fast probably 70-80 miles and lost the corner( gt are very light front end) skid and hit the curb and the light pole ..

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CGT doesn't have tank in front it's located behind passenger area? It's likely mid mounted tank is what caused fire as that's where car impacted.

Listened to an interview with a guy that was there. (Forget his name) The damage to the trees and light post indicated a high speed impact that he felt would have killed them on impact. Looking at the damage, I'd agree. They most likely were dead or unconscious before the car blew up and burned them to char. He also said investigation showed power steering fluid on the ground before the impact spot. Leading them to believe it was car failure that caused the accident. The skid marks leading up to the first tree were straight showing an inability to correct the car if it was out of control. They said had they been trying to regain control of the car, there would have been a more curvy skid mark left behind. So I'm guessing they impacted head on or at an angle sliding straight trying to go into a corner or coming out of one?

Just crazy this happened. Really opens your eyes to how quickly things can change and one misstep or variable can dramatically change things. Really sad. His GF and daughter were at the benefit when this happened.

RIP in peace

My bad.. I meant in front of engine not car..

Well blaming a design flaw or failure of an OEM component in the Porsche is a big step, I'm betting Porsche will be all over that and will not take that statement lying down. The alleged power steering hose failure will be hard to prove as I'm guessing it melted away. Plus for insurance purposes and wrongful death law suits, its easier to blame the car itself than the driver who made an error. I hate to say this but the Walker family could file such a wrongful suit and recover damages.

Yeah I don't suspect it was mechanical failure. Even if it was blown power steering hose isn't unrecoverable if you are going close to speed limit. It was drivers fault for speeding on a city street where hard stuff (poles and trees) , cars, unpredictable road surfaces etc exist. Streets are not race tracks. And people learn this hard lesson too quickly all the time everyday with loss of their lives and others who they take with them.

This isn't any more or less tragic than other fatal street racing crashes. We can grieve for families and close friends and offer condolences but bottom line the deaths in this case were due to criminal street racing by driver of the car. Many People truly don't respect physics and what can happen on public roads when they push a car to its limits.

This focus on mechanical issue glosses over fact that mr rodas was putting all around him in danger when he decided to speed.on this public street. When you hit solid stuff fast cars and people don't fair well. Gas tanks rupture fires start, cars crumple like tin foil, people die, etc when you hit hard stuff.

There are so many ricer events going on here in SoCal... I got sick... There was a group of Civics leaving In n Out and there were 3 other meets there while I was eating...

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you have good point on road condition, this is the picture of street it happened, you will see alot of those metal bumps ( not sure what they call them) those things can mess you up when you turn on high speed,i wonder if he hit few of them on the corner and since they are slick they throw the car out of control..

wow didnt that dude from jackass die after he crashed that same type of car????

Ryan Dunn was shitfaced and wadded up a GT3, not a Carrera GT. He killed his friend driving drunk. Paul Walker's friend killed him driving recklessly, not drunk.

Either way, two people lost their lives because of the poor decision making of others.

Ah, the voice of truth and reason

Who ever claims not having any sympathy or sorrow for the man behind the wheel must be confused. Both these individuals derserve equal sympathy. EVERYBODY on here has driven "recklessly". Accidents happen. They don't change the fact that both these human biengs or in this case the DRIVER was a good man. Rip to roger and Paul.

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I see what you did there :icon18:

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Seriously, tho -- is this river of tears over a star from the Fast and the Furious?

F&F was a broadly inspirational and for some, a deeply personal, thing? :confused:

Well, I'm sincerely very sorry for everyone's loss.

I can only imagine how devastated everyone will be when Rob Cohen, Gary Scott Thompson, Erik Bergquist, or David Ayer eventually pass.

R.I.P., P. Walker, profoundly influential thespian and cultural icon.

rip brotha !

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Dom: Because the buster kept me out of handcuffs, he didn't just run back to the fort, the buster brought me back

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Bottom line types of speed these guys were doing to rip car apart was not acceptable for street. I feel sorrow for them and their families but hey man they made bad decision. If I biff it doing 100 on street I don't expect sorrow from people who don't know me personally. People would be free to call me an idiot. So why is Mr Rodas off limits? He was just another guy making stupid move on street. FYI I never speed excessively with passengers. ...Never. I have seen north of 150 mph on deserted road by myself with miles of visibility with no traffic but let's say I had blow out and rolled. I'd just be another asswad driving way to fast on the street.

I hear about all the emotional denials of drag racing but you don't have to drag race to be dangerous on surface streets. I suspect they will find that car was moving way too fast and just got away from driver. The debris spray seen in pics indicates very fast speeds. I feel sorry for Paul as I believe he wouldn't have put someone in danger like mr rodas did. And fact he had teenage daughter is tough too. Feel very bad for her.

Also consider if mr rodas had survived and Paul died I suspect manslaughter charges or wrongful death suit would have happened.

^Well said Shamu :tiphat:

My deepest condolence to his family.

So was Paul's daughter and girlfriend at the event with him when this tragedy happened?

Mr Walkers estate and his daughter CAN sue the estate of Rodas for wrongful death.......just like the Bisset clan sued the Kennedy clan after the idiot flew his plane into the water. They can sue for future earnings for the daughter and pain and suffering, loss of companionship being that she is a minor. In fact they may go after Porsche (who has not said a peep about any of this) aka deep pockets....

see this...http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/04/paul-w...ent-racetrack/

But they only paid 350K and admit no guilt.

^LOL

Porsche will say, the car is 8 years old. You bought it second hand, :gtfo2:

I'm not here to argue the fact that what rodas did was wrong. I never said he was right. Reports say he was doing 45 on a 15mph curve. Was it higher? Lower? We will NEVER know even though I think it was a lot higher then that. Some say it was a malfunction. What I meant by accidents happen is that Mr. Rodas did not jump on the car on a mission to kill someone. It was an ACCIDENT. That does NOT change who he was as a man. He was actually paul walkers racing partner. Long time friend. What he did was wrong, and what everyone else does is wrong as well. We ALL know tons of street races take place with these high performance cars, Ugr lambos, ams gtr's, vipers, camaros, supras all over highways all over forums and states. And people ROOT for these competitions and we see it on THESE forums All the time. My point was not to let this accident CHANGE a good person to looking like a scumbag. If you haul *** like you stated even on your own, and had an ACCIDENT and god forbid passed away I would morn a loss not sit and say that your a criminal with no right to deserve sorrow. Accidents happen and unfortunately in this case two lifes were lost.

And I agree that your still responsible as a driver for the damages done to yourself and others and are held accountable for a persons injury.

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I hope neither had to suffer very long. :( The report says both died within seconds after the crash.

From what I read..Theres no reports yet on the driver dying from the fire...but Paul? :(

Driver died from multiple traumatic wounds, Paul died from combination of traumatic wounds and fire.

Wonder if they know he expired after the fire started by finding a burned esophagus from him taking his last few breaths? I'm not trying to be graphic or insensitive, I just wonder how they know he didn't die upon impact.


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All my friends that were at ae performance knew exactly who was in the car, saw them drive off and took pics and video. several of them were first to scene with fire extinguishers sadly didn't do squat. I have seen several fires at the trace track and seen cars engulfed in flames where fire trucks can barely put it out after dumping a whole tank.

Once the carbon fiber and magnesium parts get to burning……its not going out unless you have halon in the fire truck. Water will not do it nor will the powder stuff. You need halon to smother out the oxygen and stop the reaction. So the small hand carried extinquisher ones your buds used would not have done anything to stop it. Halon can also kill people and suffocate them. I have been deep in the bowls of broadband company servers and transmitters that warn you…..if the halon system kicks in due to a fire…..the fire will go out and you will die not from the fire….but from lack of free O2 in the air. So if it alarms and light flash……get out immediately.

Tribute straight from Fast and the Furious

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^^ Good find. Thanks.

Makes me respect the guy more, but if I bought $400+ of stuff to send, and my net worth is $50k, while his is 1000 times more, I'm still more awesome!

In any case, still a good deed:
Paul Walker secretly bought Iraq war veteran $9,000 wedding ring | Mail Online