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Sales@AAMComp 06-19-2013 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2370920)
Will the cars perform yes. Will they make the power yes. Is it recommended to max your injectors no. That's my stance. He can get away with it the 850s. but he will be going over 80% duty cycle at 600hp which isn't safe and then it turns into him running fuel pressure regulators and stuff. What duty cycle are they running at? And did anyone pick up on what DM said? They are practically the same price. Also GTM confirmed with Mark about a month ago if he wanted E85 or more power he should look at 1000+.
Are my calculations wrong? I thought math formulas were kinda constant :ugh2:
Constant based on what variables?

If GT-R's max out their stock injectors, and they're 570cc's at 520-530whp (say 530 x 1.17) that's 620 crank hp, sure it may be over 80% duty cycle, I don't tune so I don't know what we "max" them out at, I doubt we run it to 100%

I just don't get how your formula puts 850cc's at over 80% duty cycle but only at 600 hp?

Sales@AAMComp 06-19-2013 09:38 PM
Just off the top of my head because I know his set up, Shelton made 495 whp on DW 600cc's, this is a vq35HR, and 550 whp, same injectors but race gas

MyKindaGuise 06-19-2013 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Khoi@AAMComp (Post 2370924)
Constant based on what variables?

If GT-R's max out their stock injectors, and they're 570cc's at 520-530whp (say 530 x 1.17) that's 620 crank hp, sure it may be over 80% duty cycle, I don't tune so I don't know what we "max" them out at, I doubt we run it to 100%

I just don't get how your formula puts 850cc's at over 80% duty cycle but only at 600 hp?
80% from what I heard is the max limit for safety/longevity and life of the injectors. Why would you want your injectors running fully open like that.

There are a ton of calcs online.
All of them with very similar results.

But no lie...I just looked at the picture. I mistyped :P I hit the "7" instead of the "6" for bsfc haha.

It should be .62. My chart for E85 on his car is correct though. Ill redo the pump gas.

MyKindaGuise 06-19-2013 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Khoi@AAMComp (Post 2370926)
Just off the top of my head because I know his set up, Shelton made 495 whp on DW 600cc's, this is a vq35HR, and 550 whp, same injectors but race gas
Like I said they will make power still but you either run the injector open as a mofo or bump fuel pressure. Either way its not as good as just buying a little bit larger injector especially when they are the same price.

MyKindaGuise 06-19-2013 09:50 PM
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Revised n junk

Still close to the edge. his 850s are perfect for his car...if he leaves it alone(which is my main concern). With cars...you are never "finished". Its a constant money pit.

MyKindaGuise 06-20-2013 07:59 AM
I fell like there is tension in this thread now.lol


Still <3 you bro. NO hard feelings :tiphat:

Can we get this thread back to OFFTOPIC now please.

m4a1mustang 06-20-2013 08:00 AM
No... FIGHT.

m4a1mustang 06-20-2013 08:01 AM
Preferably naked, with lots of oil.

That's an order, gents.

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2371286)
I fell like there is tension in this thread now.lol


Still <3 you bro. NO hard feelings :tiphat:

Can we get this thread back to OFFTOPIC now please.
haha not at all man, I actually fell asleep after I responded so I just read your responses now

Everything makes sense but there is such thing as going TOO BIG of an injector, how much is too big, idk, but you risk a crappy idle when you have to scale down your injectors so much just to run stoich/lean at idle

b1adesofcha0s 06-20-2013 08:23 AM
Did someone say poopy idle?

dmhenderson 06-20-2013 08:23 AM
Well, Moore plans on spending an entire day tuning the car once they're done so I'll roll the dice I guess. I'd rather have to tweak the idle than not get the most out of the SC kit.

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2371310)
Did someone say poopy idle?
hahah the subject of poopy idle is back

Vicster 06-20-2013 08:34 AM
That row of Mercs multiplied... There's now a handful of E-Classes and some Merc Vans back there as well.

So far all I see is FL tags so I'm thinkin' they must have came from the Sunshine State. :P

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A...620_063404.jpg

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2371311)
Well, Moore plans on spending an entire day tuning the car once they're done so I'll roll the dice I guess. I'd rather have to tweak the idle than not get the most out of the SC kit.
I assure you will not run out of fuel with 850's with your kit

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 08:37 AM
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v.../IMG_00024.jpg

haha show up this morning and saw this parked outside.. cwiz's "because racecar" buddy

hahah jk, John, was racing at hyperfest and the trans took a minor doo doo :\

MyKindaGuise 06-20-2013 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Khoi@AAMComp (Post 2371335)
I assure you will not run out of fuel with 850's with your kit
Yeah with what you want now you will be more than fine DM. Its just going for moar more moore power. Even then your fine. Its just a longevity/life/futureproof thing really.

Vicster 06-20-2013 08:40 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Ax3JKjW.jpg

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 08:41 AM
hahahahah I died

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 08:41 AM
Chris you have too much time on your hands man ahhaha

Vicster 06-20-2013 08:43 AM
Shhhh - I'm going to run to the datacenter now and *do some work*....bbl

eastwest2300 06-20-2013 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Vicster (Post 2371334)
That row of Mercs multiplied... There's now a handful of E-Classes and some Merc Vans back there as well.

So far all I see is FL tags so I'm thinkin' they must have came from the Sunshine State. :P

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A...620_063404.jpg
daaaaaaamn:wtf2:

dmhenderson 06-20-2013 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2371344)
Yeah with what you want now you will be more than fine DM. Its just going for moar more moore power. Even then your fine. Its just a longevity/life/futureproof thing really.
I want to eventually break 500whp so if I don't do that here, I want to build in some room to grow

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 08:59 AM
unless you drive around with the pedal to the floor everywhere, it's ok to tune over 80%+ duty cycle lol again, we tune GT-R's all day on their stock injectors to 520-530whp, and they're on 570cc's

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 09:01 AM
DM just do an e85 tune lol!

MyKindaGuise 06-20-2013 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Khoi@AAMComp (Post 2371408)
DM just do an e85 tune lol!
Ive been telling him this forever. GTM seemed to think he needed a $3000 fuel system upgrade to do it :ugh2:

trollolololol.

Like Injectors, Fuel pump, AAM fuel return system will fix that for under 1500.

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 09:10 AM
are either of you guys going to run any kind of return "system"?

eastwest2300 06-20-2013 09:10 AM
Cody, I want it, lets do it!

Sales@AAMComp 06-20-2013 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2371416)
Ive been telling him this forever. GTM seemed to think he needed a $3000 fuel system upgrade to do it :ugh2:

trollolololol.

Like Injectors, Fuel pump, AAM fuel return system will fix that for under 1500.
Yeah they are probably just trying to convert everything or as much as possible to either teflon material or anodized "x" before e85 eats away at your factory components lol

MyKindaGuise 06-20-2013 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Khoi@AAMComp (Post 2371421)
are either of you guys going to run any kind of return "system"?
Not right away but we will be making our own. I will be doing a full fuel system conversion to make everything E85 rated even though there isn't a need to. CJM has 25k 525whp miles under permanent E85 with no problem.

MyKindaGuise 06-20-2013 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2371423)
Cody, I want it, lets do it!
Get high comp piston and jun cams and we can convert to E85 and make real power in your car.

Honestly I haven't seen an NA Z run E85 so our stock 12.5:1 ratio may actually make decent power...who knows. Could always try. Honestly Injectors and fuel pump take like 2 hours to swap so we could always go back if you don't make a lot of power. You wont need massive injectors...just something E85 capable.

dmhenderson 06-20-2013 09:20 AM
If I do it, it'll be on down the road. Right now my car budget is spent.

In fact, you might say it's....blown

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/yeaaaaah.gif

eastwest2300 06-20-2013 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2371437)
Get high comp piston and jun cams and we can convert to E85 and make real power in your car.

Honestly I haven't seen an NA Z run E85 so our stock 12.5:1 ratio may actually make decent power...who knows. Could always try. Honestly Injectors and fuel pump take like 2 hours to swap so we could always go back if you don't make a lot of power. You wont need massive injectors...just something E85 capable.
Its something to think about bro..

eastwest2300 06-20-2013 10:24 AM
Hey blades... Patriots suck.:hello:

b1adesofcha0s 06-20-2013 11:23 AM
You wish they did so the Dolphins wouldn't get whooped by them all the time.

eastwest2300 06-20-2013 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2371687)
You wish they did so the Dolphins wouldn't get whooped by them all the time.
Not this year buddy.. you just wait and see.

m4a1mustang 06-20-2013 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2371708)
Not this year buddy.. you just wait and see.
:bowrofl:

I hate the Pats too, but, c'mon man!

eastwest2300 06-20-2013 11:34 AM
I'll put money on it and say the Dolphins will win AT LEAST 10 games.

MightyBobo 06-20-2013 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2371718)
I'll put money on it and say the Dolphins will win AT LEAST 10 games.
.......where is this dream world? I guess while we're at it, Buffalo is going to make it to the Super Bowl.

eastwest2300 06-20-2013 11:38 AM
The dolphins winning 10 games is a lot more likely than the buffalo bills getting to the superbowl.

MightyBobo 06-20-2013 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2371730)
The dolphins winning 10 games is a lot more likely than the buffalo bills getting to the superbowl.
You act as if Buffalo hasnt gone to the playoffs this century!


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