Very sad day today-12 of our finest were murdered today
 

I thought I saw the death of famous people posted here in the past. I'm not sure if it's ok to post this but I'll take a chance.
12 of our best (military) were shot & murdered at our Wash. DC navy station.

Let's take some time to reflect, pray for those that do that. :(

I heard about that active shooter. Sad day indeed.

RIP brothers.

Dammit not again, this is starting to happen way to often.... so sad...

:(

Yeah, its some serious bullsh1t.. god bless those people and their families. Its a sad day here in DC.

Thoughts go out to the families

Thinking back - I used to work in the SEFC / naval yards back in the early 90s as a contractor before it was all rebuilt... drilling holes and taking soil / water samples... I remember hearing gun shots on a near daily basis. I'm sure it's changed since then but that part of town was pretty rough back then.

However the very sad part is that the naval yard is a gun free zone. Not one of the victims had a gun.

I don't know if any federal campuses allow possession of firearms by non-security staff.

It's a base not a campus. These people were military. The same thing happened in TX. (remember the work violence case)? Even when I go to my VA mental doctor visits, there are signs of no weapons allowed on that military property.

Seems strange that our trained military people can't carry weapons. As far as security only possessing fire arms, I guess the bad guys just don't follow the laws very much. Maybe they can't read?

There^^^^is wisdom to what I write. Sometimes:)

Same holds true for bases. Actually, I've found military installations more restrictive than the civilian world.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Half Staff Flag Status

START: 9/16/2013END: 9/20/2013US Flags at Half Staff Until 9/20 for the Victims of the Washington Navy Yard TragedyBY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A PROCLAMATION

As a mark of respect for the victims of the senseless acts of violence perpetrated on September 16, 2013, at the Washington Navy Yard, by the authority vested in me as President of the United States by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, September 20, 2013. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this sixteenth day of September, in the year of our Lord two thousand thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-eighth.

I work on a DoE reservation and it is a no gun zone... :icon14:
I have a conceal carry permit but am not allowed to carry here.

I wouldn't say it is happening more often. Just that more of it is being captured on the news.

There are shootings that do not get reported on the big news.

Sometimes there are big shootings here in Chicago and it kind of gets swept under the rug.

Last few days the President has been criticized for talking politics right after the shootings.

I really hate this sh!t,if you are mad at the world the put a gun in your mouth pull the trigger and exit stage left.:shakes head:

Not exactly 12 dead but 13 people shot.

Stuff like this happen all the time in Chicago. Just that most of them are bad shooters.

Those type of stories are only on the local news. Newspapers & tv news don't get much ratings unless it's a racial or "hate" crime. Also of course none of the victims qualify to be Obama's son, if he had one.

I know I'm in trouble for this. Had to comment cause I just hate most politicians & the main stream media. They just don't care for us ordinary hard working tax paying Americans.

I don't blame you.

Our mayor in Chicago loves to attack the working class.

If you are low income, you get low income housing. Some people pay almost NOTHING to live in apartments where the working class would pay 10 times more to live in.

You also get free phones if you are low income + welfare.

I have been in houses where every room has a flat screen TV and some sort of gaming console and they are considered low income and on welfare...

I know, I know it sucks so much not being poor or disenfranchised. You'll just have to suffer through it best you can. Be strong v

And now back to our thread.

back to the topic?
 

In our country we have over 10,000 murders/killings per year. That's a disgrace!!!!! Even Russia's Putin said something about that. Like why don't we take care of OUR murdered children first?

Only at election time do the politicians bring that up. Still they don't do anything about the problem. It's always the same talk, tougher gun laws. Just so happens that the most murders are in areas with the toughest gun laws. STUPID, CORRUPT politicians.

They & Hollywood types preach one thing for us, while they drive their gas guzzling limos with armed guards on board.

If we don't have a huge change of government, our kids will continue dying by the thousands.

Oh yes, a few days ago we broke the record for gasoline being above $3 for the longest period of time. :icon17:

when the press heard mchine gun,theTX. naval base story was a hot topic
 

Once the news came out that he didn't bring those guns in, just a shotgun, it cooled significantly. Funny how that works.

Next big talk for the next election: Banning shot guns.

Whaa? Sort of non-sequitur.

a few days later & another mass shooting in Chicago
 

13 wounded in Chicago mass shooting - YouTube

I don't think the shootings are done by hard working, tax paying Americans. Do you?

Forget the b.s. unemployment numbers. The number of EMPLOYED people are about as high or low as in the 1970's. That's with a much higher numbers of our population. More immigrants & births but less people working.

If crime, growing numbers of people with their hands out & drop in employment & lower(burger flippers)paying jobs, who will pay our country's bills?????

Oh yes, we'll just raise the debt limit :icon17: :roflpuke2:

Gun violence???? Polititians say, we need more gun laws! That's for YOU & I, because criminals don't care/respect laws. :icon17: :roflpuke2:

Most of the individuals killed or injured in this attack (call it what it is) were civilian DOD employees NOT military. Yes military installations are gun free zones with the exception of DOD police and USMC security forces and ships force performing MA duties. I possess a concealed carry permit but that doesn't matter on a military intallation, schools, bars, court houses and other government facilities. While I do not agree with these exclusions (the past has shown this is where these attrocities occur) unfortunately the only way to protect yourself in these situations is to become an outlaw yourself. All a "gun free zone" does is announce open season on innocent unarmed citizens

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Nothing worse than gun free cities. Chicago is one of those cities. If you're an older person, or a family guy with a clean background, a "good citizen", you will never be allowed to get a gun license. Since these people would not break the law & get protection, they & their children will be targets, "the victims"!!!!

Insanity??? YES!!! Corrupt politicians? YES!!! People to be safe? NO!!! Agenda? oh yes....

Once I delivered something that needed a contract signed, so I had to go to the very high crime part of a town called Newburgh N.Y.. It's well known by people in N.Y. It was a delivery to an older lady who might have been a hard working nurse with good credit. After seeing me, she turned like 3 locks to open the door. When the door opened I saw her face expression change from a smile to fear. As I turned around I saw a twenty something fellow looking our way, checking what was going on. I realized that he was the scumbag that was going to prey on this woman when I leave. There were thoughs going through my head about how I hated that fellow & what I would like to do to him. Can't go into details of my thoughts, but it was about him taking a nice long trip(one way ticket). Anyway, I snapped out of it thinking that. I'm not Batman & my job is not to keep the world safe. Mind your own F business Andre. I knew soon she would be just another victim.

There is no end here. We/the country, it's future is not looking good.....

I thought crime rates were down over the last 30 years or so? Also, I haven't seen any national gun control measures proposed that have made it close to being passed.

What is up significantly is media coverage of violent crime. That can skew perceptions of the actual rate.

I think you might be right on the crime rate not being higher & the media coverage. I can't watch the news anymore. Whether it's floods, terrorist or someone got eaten by a bear:) I can see/hear it all :icon23:

As far as violence & shootings, I think much of it is in only certain cities. They call Chicago the capital of murder, or something like that.

As far as gun control, it should be gun control/elimination from criminals. The politicians won't go there. They also won't go into the real reason(s) why some cities have gangs & very high murder/shooting rates.

I think a fair & correct way to check that is with facts. Find 5 to 10 of the highest crime/shootings cities & check what political party runs those cities:) "let the chip fall where they may" p.s. I don't like any party, but some I like less than others:)

You must know that when you go on unemployment, you have to show someone a list of places you went to find a job. For years the same applied if you go on welfare, you had to show that you're trying to find a job. Recently that has been changed. You no longer have to look for a job if you collect welfare. 100% true! So does the Govt. want people to stay on welfare for the rest of their life? I don't get it....:confused:

My answer would be yes, and it stems from the fact that people tend to vote for what benefits themselves.. if one party is willing to give away I phones, unemployment, food stamps and other benefits at the cost of tax payers, those who do not pay into those systems or pay very little will always vote for them.. Don't get me wrong there are people who need these services and use them how they were intended to be, but unfortunately there is also an equal number of abusers in the system. If you make people dependent you can control them.. even in a "democracy" However this delves dangerously into politics which is not allowed here. I do however believe there is a correlation between the crime rate and murders, and who controls those areas.. Which in turn has a lot to do with gun laws in those areas. Not to mention the ability to defend yourself as a "law abiding" citizen in those states and cities.

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