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My thumbs used to be in serious pain after an all nighter practicing combos. No $hit blisters on my thumbs. I miss old school Rare.

The whole thing that bothers me with Xbox1 is things "have" to be on because they say so. In truth I bet the system can function 100% just fine w/o kinect watching (literally) you're every move. What function does this "sign on" have? Qhat is it reporting to the prying eyes of MS? There is no doubt going to be a lot of data collection they can get and sell. Kinect can map out the room it sits in, take all that info, your schedule, it's off times, your TV habits, all of that, beam it up to good ole Microsoft, they dump it into an SWL database and mine the F@ck out the information they just received... for free. Your phones are doing it, Facebook, google, twitter, pinterest, bing, yahoo, gmail, every single free service on the internet is paid by your privacy.

Now I don't mind giving some of that up for free services. The stuff I don't like sharing, I don't add to my profiles, I restrict what can be sent to them, whatever. Xbox1 is not transparent with their ulterior motives, and with it being from MS, they do want to know what you are doing. Now if they come out and say, you can make changes to what your Xbox sends to MS, that will be a huge step in the right direction. I want control of my information, it isn't MS's because they have a box that collected it, it originated from me and I want to dictate what I give up.

The whole be like "Steam" argument has some merit, but is still flawed. They fail to mention that you CAN play Steam in offline mode. I love Steam, but anyone who deployed to a location w/o internet with a gaming PC knows, you put Steam offline, back it up, and go on your merry way. I can see a mandated 30 day reconnect period if it's really a security or DRM thing. My Zune pass requires a 30 day DRM check so I can listen to all my music. Understandable, I pay a monthly fee to get a crap ton of music. Xbox live is a monthly service fee unless you pay for the year. At least it makes some kind of sense. As it sits, they have not quantified the necessity to connect once a day. They have not quantified the necessity to have Kinect watch your every move. That is scary.

I'm all for companies making money. PS4 is at least more transparent in what your shiny new toy is doing in the background. I spent 9 years playing PC only. Yeah I had a Wii, but I haven't played that in a while. We really just get smashed and then record ourselves looking retarded in Just Dance. I LOVED Gran Turismo, but I couldn't justify buying a PS3 for just that. Xbox had a few notables, but I just didn't have that urge to get one. I miss fighting games, first party games, and the selection of racing games.

I tried playing that Forza Horizon game, idk what it was, did not like the physics engine. I've been playing Shift II with all the nannies (except ABS) turned off, it feels so much more visceral, I get more communication, more feedback on the adjustments I need to make. I'll stick to that until something better comes around.

Dude thaty ultra combo was fvcking awesome... thats what you call getting your azz handed to you! hahaha

yeah I will be picking this up when i get my xbox. I havent touched it since i think i had it for N64 way back in the day. wasnt it the one with the gold cartridge? Think i played with Spinal and cinder mostly.I remember glacier had that uppercut out of the ground and i know orchid was really cheap.. thats about all i remember

I could never do that in the arcade. I'd drop them all day on my buddy on the snes, go back to the arcade and get beat down ruthlessly.

dude that video was pretty sweet dude....

i hope they bring back most of the oldskool characters....

the greatest thing i love about that game is that all of the characters kicked ***.... can you guys imagine fulgore, turning into that big *** machine gun and shooting the crap outa you as a fatality

sorry about derailling the thread ;p

:icon18: thats what i loved bro lol i was exactly the same... id be like "im f*cking ready" and get my a$$ handed to me by the same kid in the arcade.... that same kid was the son of the owner of the arcade :shakes head:

I had friends huge into the fighter games, one of them sent me this when he was there. Not him recording but he saw it.

both consoles are not home runs. sony sh*t on microsoft at e3, but i think it's all a kneejerk reaction. i'm not going to buy anything first run, but eventually i will probably pony up for an xbox one.

with that said, no game except for mirrors edge 2 really interested me, so i'm in no rush. i'd much rather keep playing fifa, dead or alive, or whatever i'm in the mood for.

for xbox 360 - my original model finally died a few months ago. i think the disk drive went bad, because i can still play things off of the hard drive, and i use hbo go through the xbox 360. i'm debating opening it up and replacing the disk drive, but heard it was a PITA.

I liked both consoles, so i preordered both. I currently have a xbox 360 slim which is still running great (almost 2 years since i've own). I upgraded from a xbox 360 arcade version but just for the wifi connectivity. I recently sold my ps3 (1st model) because it was just collecting dust. Mostly only played killzone and god of war.

Xbox one is my choice, reason i also preordered the PS4 is because there might be a desperate parent/gamer wanting to get it. Hopefully it gets sold out and back ordered for months so i can make a good profit and basically pay half or more for the xbox one (plus the ps4 expense).

Wow, I'm surprised by the poll results so far. I thought Xbox would be winning, or at least be a close race.

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Well im back from a pre order spree. I have 4 PS3's and 3 Xbox Ones coming. I hope to make enough on them to pay for my three systems (Probably 2 Xbox Ones and a PS4).

Something I found interesting is the Xbox One was sold out in almost every store I went to. The PS4 was at everyone of them. Granted they seemed to also be getting 10-15 more PS4's. I am happy to see both systems doing well though.

The stores that were sold out said to keep checking back because they are being updated slowly with more units available.

I traded in my 360 today and got $135 credit for it..so im sitting at $235 on my xbox one 5 months out. even though i got both im putting more toward that as I think the PS4 date is leaning toward the 19/20th of november so the xbox is gonna have about a 2-3 week jump on it..

i decided i didnt need my 360 anymore as there arnt any exclusives between now and the one. Also since i have to keep my PS3 for GT6 im going to get GTAV on it as i will probably hold on to that one for a while

Some very good info to clarify some rumors and/or hate for the new Xbox One. It is a good read I suggest checking it out.

Xbox One Twitch
Microsoft says that Twitch is to be built into the Xbox One. It allows other gamers to view live streamed play but with a twist. They can comment in real time on a social feed, while the audio of the player is taken and played over the top too. We can see this as being a great way for friends to help each other play through sections of games that one or more find difficult.

Will my Microsoft Points still work?
No. As previously revealed, Microsoft is to ditch Microsoft Points in favour of local currency. Rather than having to work out a convoluted exchange rate in your head, you will be able to pay in pounds and pence in the UK. Microsoft Points that you've earned through Xbox Live Rewards will remain in your Xbox account and will transition to your local currency with the rest of your Microsoft Points. Prior to the transition, all your earned Pending Points will be deposited into your account.

Does Xbox One require an "always on" internet connection?
No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the internet. Microsoft says it has designed the Xbox One to be "your all-in-one entertainment system that is connected to the cloud and always ready". It is a designed so you can play games and watch Blu-ray movies and live TV if you lose your net connection.

You won't need to be always connected, but you will need to have an internet connection. That's the basic bottom line of the connectivity requirements of the new console.

Microsoft say that for an optimal experience, it recommends a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps and that while a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend.

It also notes that games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection. 


"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies," says Microsoft. 


Does the Xbox One let me play used games?
When it comes to trade-in games you can, don't panic, resell your disc-based games, but it isn't as simple as you've previously known it. Shifting the focus away from itself, Microsoft is letting game publishers enable certain rules. You to trade in your games at participating retailers, but they might restrict what you can do, and how much it costs. EA has already run a scheme like this that forced you to buy an online code to play a second-hand game, however it scraped that scheme earlier in the year.

Furthermore you will be able to give your games to friends. According to Microsoft the Xbox One is "designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends." What it means by that is that there are no fees charged as part of these transfers, but there are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

Is every game installed on the console?
After signing in and installing your new game, you can play any Xbox One game from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. For example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games, rather than worrying about whether or not you've remembered the disc.

Can I use my current Gamertag on Xbox One and will my Gamerscore and Achievements transfer?
Yes. Your current Xbox Live Gamertag will stay with you on Xbox One if you choose to keep it, and your hard-earned Gamerscore and Achievements will carry over from Xbox 360.

Is there anything different about Xbox One Achievements?
Yes. There are now two types of Achievements: achievements and challenges. An achievement is the same as on the Xbox 360. There’s a goal or activity you must accomplish and a reward that you receive upon completion. You can unlock an achievement at any time, be it on a game’s launch day or 3 years later.

A challenge, on the other hand, is more like an opportunity that you need to grab while you can. It is also comprised of a goal and a reward; however, challenges are time-bound (as in, real life time). That means you can only unlock during its eligible time window, and if you get close but don’t complete the goal when it ends, then tough luck says Microsoft.

Will Xbox One be backward compatible with my existing games?
No. The Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games.

Will the XBox One support 4K gaming and movies?
Yes. Microsoft has confirmed the Xbox One will support 4K resolution and 3D.

Link to full page: Everything to know about Xbox One (Currently)

Damn Son!!! Nice update

Thanks im glad I found that cleared up alot of my concerns, I actually have none anymore. The only problem I have right now is I need to figure out if having two Xbox Ones in the same room will work.

We currently have two TV's with 2 Xbox 360's in the same room. It works great currently but im afraid with the always on Kinect me saying "Xbox On" is going to turn on both systems. Maybe it has voice recognition and will only turn one on???

On another note 4k support is awesome, while Sony pushes the technology with TV's/Blu-Ray Players, I will get closer and closer to 4k gaming. To bad the PS4 will not support it...wtf are they thinking.

I still have huge concerns over that console, but to each their own. My money's going to Sony, it seems.

Hey trust me im not 100% sold yet either, but im almost there. I have changed my shopping cart pre order list for games back and fourth 3 times now between the systems :icon17:

Edit: Updated first post with links to the Xbox One and PS4 "Everything you need to know about" pages.
Edit: Also added a list of release titles for both systems.

Thanks Mr&Mrs for all the info. I am going for the Xbox One now, mainly because of the 4K resolution support, superior cloud support, Kinect/TV support. DRM isn't a problem for me as I have internet (doesn't everyone?? hah)

May I ask, why have 2 xbox's/tv's in the same room? Not a fan of split screen I take it?

Edit: You are very lucky to have a wife that games with you! My lady freaks out and tosses the controller from anxiety when getting shot at..

Also, have you heard which system is easier to develop games for? I heard 360 was easier to develop for and even with inferior power, had better graphics than the PS3 at times because the software was better. Any thoughts?

Sorry if this was discussed earlier I haven't read everything posted.

I too am a huge fan/supporter for 4k resolution. The cloud is an amazing thing for Microsoft as well. Its combined CPU power will bring the Xbox One to near 5Tflops of performance. There is heavy speculation on this right now from critics that do not understand how Microsoft is going to use this power. So I have not mentioned much about it. It is an awesome tool and we will see in due time.

She only plays a select few titles and some I get really into so I do not want her eating up my screen :icon17:



I have looked for some info on this and have not found to many details yet. I honestly think over time the PS4 will have slightly better graphics due to the DDR5 memory and the OS using less of the memory to run. I think there are two things that are very important when thinking about the graphics though.

#1 Developers already spend lots of money making games hoping to make some profit in the long run. So why over develop a game for one platform when you can slap it on a different disc/cloud with little effort and deliver the same graphics to both systems. Now the one with more power may run it a little smoother or faster but only a benchmark tester would probably be able to notice it.

#2 You can have hardware 50x better but if 4k technology takes off, which I see no reason it won't, that 50x better hardware won't compete at a 4k level.

I know my posts seem to be defending Microsoft but it is because of all the bad info I have read then debunked on my own. I want to make sure I make a fair choice not an internet influenced/propaganda one.

That said I still dont know which one im gaming on yet! :icon17: The Kinect thing I mentioned above could be a problem if I want to go that route.

To touch some more on the performance of the systems here is the best information I have found so far: Xbox One vs PS4 Full Specs On paper the PS4 is a little better, but as I mentioned above that does not bother me. The PS3 was better on paper too and anyone being honest can say the Xbox 360 performed better with games.

Time will tell which system is easier for developers.

There are some distinct differences even though the architecture is very very very similar. The PS4 chip looks more like what AMD is selling now, but no specs have been discussed with regards to speeds, gpu cores, etc. Having GDDR5 may not make it any faster, but it does help with bandwidth. With DDR5 having a quad multiplier instead a dual multiplier like DDR3, it's bus sizes can be half the size as DDR3 and match bandwidth, or can have the same size memory bus and have twice the bandwidth (given same base clock speeds). If the game is memory intensive, GDDR5 will definitely be an advantage. Xbox does have ESRAM though. This is basically a $hit ton of shared L4 cache for use between the CPU and GPU. It allows 50gbps+ speeds between the cpu and gpu to share. This lets both the CPU and GPU to look at what needs processed and share the load. For instance, if the GPU is being taxed and AI or physics needs processed, the CPU can pull that and execute it for the GPU. Not only that but it works just as memory would on a normal graphics card. What I don't know is how much ESRAM they have. (Read this review of Intels new processor for a very good idea of what ES ram does as it has something similar too Anandtech Haswell 5200 review) Keep in mind both are using AMD architecture for both the CPU and GPU. This will definitely help optimize games for both consoles as well as PC games very easily and quickly as they are all X86 based.

Thanks again for all the info Mr&Mrs and Firehawk!

Still am confused why console hardware can't be upgraded with future tech from AMD. Similar to what the N64 did with that additional memory pack or whatever that was in order to play the more memory intensive games.

I agree with the importance of the 4K support, although we'll have to wait for 4K games to come out. By that time, PS4 may come out with a refresh version (similar to PS3 Slim) that supports 4K? Who knows.

Sooooo um which ones better? My head hurts and I lost myself trying to read this....

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inb4 :gtfo2: :icon17:

No way MS is getting my money. It is way too intrusive for me just to play video games. Nothing in my house is anywhere near as intrusive as that machine except for my phone and computer. And have full control over them to config and lock them down how I want. No way to do that with the Xbone.

As far as which console is better? Don't even bother trying to figure out specs, its the library of games that matters. Most developers create a version that runs on both with no differences. It is rare that a developer will take the time to put in art assets or programming effort to make a game look 3% better. It is not cost effective.

So what your saying is they want you to buy their system now, and again when they support 4k output. Man Sony wouldn't do that they are the good guys! :p

Nice write up and is kind of what I was getting at. The PS4 has the potential for better graphics will we see it? Doubtful, will it run a little smoother? Probably but not to a degree we can see physically.

Haha sorry trying to get all the tech geek info out too. I guess what I was getting at with all that info is...that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Both systems are going to get in done remarkably well just in a little different manner.

For me my choice is for the best in online gaming experience putting everything else aside. That is what im trying to figure out with the previous generation systems it was the 360 hands down. The only reason Sony caught up in sales was because of the online gaming being free. Well thats over now.

I am trying very hard to find numbers for the PS4 on those lines but they have not released any info. It is really starting to bother me that they are being so tight liped. Microsoft may be saying things people dont want to hear but at least they have the balls to do it.

Respect brother!

This day and age the only way to stay away from big brother is being off the grid. The fact you even post on this forum ruins that, you have been logged not matter what you do to your personal system/network. We could go way off topic with that, but I just had to say those couple words :icon17:

The second part of your comment is 100% true and I mentioned it above in different words.

No question, but my issue is the degree of importance. I find it ridiculous that an entertainment system for something as trivial as video games has elements of DRM, lockdown on ownership of items we buy, information reporting, and general inconvenience just to play a damn game.

When entertainment has elements and issues that I have to "just deal with" or overcome so I can have fun, it puts a damper on things. We don't even own the games we buy. I can't go to my buddy's house to show off my new game without having to jump through hoops. I can't lend it to him if I wanted to, I can't resell it if I want, I can't even give it to my girlfriend's little brother after I am done with it and collecting dust.

So if my internet connection is down for 2 or 3 days for some dumb reason, I'm SOL to play my $60 single player games on my $400 console? :rolleyes:

I think it is complete arrogance on MS's part. And I have choice of whether or not to buy it.

Sorry to rant and it wasn't really directed to you Mr&Mrs.

That's exactly what it is, especially in their handling of the backlash. Telling an E3 reporter that if people can't get internet they can buy a 360? Wow. Just when they had taken a significant market share from Sony in the last generation of the console wars, they go and give it right back.

One thing that needs to be clear is that both Microsoft and Sony are allowing the developers to choose how strict their DRM is. If they choose to have none then the game will have none. It is not up to either company. What Sony has said is that their (and by that I mean Sony) games will be DRM free.

We cant get to upset at these things because people stealing is what has made things come to this. I hope, HOPE that having DRM will allow games to be cheaper one day for everyone.

Also from what I understand you will be able to have a certain number of people on your friends list that can play any games you have to try them out. Up to the developers you will be able to sell/trade games also.

No problem rants are welcome in this thread!

Im a little cold so I see nothing wrong with that. Xbox 360s will probably drop to 100.00 by Christmas. So if people do not already have one it will be a great time for them to get it. Unless there is a major power grid failure your not going to be without internet for more than a day or two. If you cant go that long without a game you have more problems.

It just sounds like a reason to complain to me, im sorry.

I don't care personally. From a media/public relations standpoint, I can't describe their strategy without using the word "cluster."

:icon18: :icon17: I agree some of the higher ups have got to be scratching their heads. I find it a little funny myself though.

It's like they read a book on how to market a new product and did the exact opposite every step of the way.

Yep and the biggest problem now is any kind of recovery attempt just looks like them indirectly admitting some kind of fault. Which I think will make things worse.

Exactly. They're married to their strategy at this point, and it's not going to go well for them.

I seem to have found a privacy statement from Microsoft on the Kinect but I can not get on their website from work to check it out. I pulled this little bit of info for my previous question about two being in the same room. You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

There was alot more info on the Kinect and Privacy but im waiting until I can confirm it from a legit source before I post it all.

Edit: Here is the link http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy

Oh perfect for you then! You can just have one system use voice commands, while your wife's Xbox won't (heck you'll use those voice commands more than she would!)

Also check this out:
DayZ on the Xbox One? Ball is in Microsoft's court | Polygon
This is one of my all time games I have been looking forward to! I'm trying to shift away from pc gaming as my office is isolated, but my tv room connected to the kitchen (where she does her paperwork/vet school stuff stuff on the dining table, cooks in the kitchen or watches tv) is not isolated (and I spend enough time there as it is). And it's only fair to be in the same room when she's cooking for us. By then ill probably have both, but sucks that Xbox is not publisher friendly.

Not to get off topic, but a friend of mine has 3 50"+ screens in his living room (all on the same wall) with 3 separate xbox360 systems that we use to play Call of Duty (or other games) with on the weekends. Well worth the money, imo. If I had two gamers in my household I'd do it that way.