IMNSHO, the rule-of-thumb is to NOT show your weapon until the instant before you use it. Forewarned is forearmed; it only escalates the situation; &c. YMMV

I do not carry weapons in my car except for guns when traveling to/from the range and then they are in the hatch area and all but impossible to get to from the cabin. I avoid places where I think it might be necessary to carry a weapon. I usually carry a pocket knife, but I wouldn't know how to use it in a fight. I suppose I could give you a nasty cut if I threw one of my CDs at you. :)

I like Texas,it is the only state that hand grenades are on the shelves at Walmart.:yum:

This. If you're in the car, hit the gas. If you have to, run them over.

I guess I hadn't thought about that. A 3400# guided missile can be very effective, but then I'd probably have to deal with getting a new bumper.

I'm not hitting anybody with my car and get dead body smell on my fast intentions exhaust.

You be crazy man!!!!!

This.

Dead bodies all over my bumper?!?! Tried that once.

Never again.:ugh2:

This is something you all need to remember when carrying a bat, crowbar, etc. If you pull a weapon like that during an altercation you are immediately applying deadly force and can be dealt with as such.

Better to drive off and call the cops as opposed to getting shot with a bat in your hand.

This......I am not against firearms in your vehicle carried legally. I am against people carrying bats and such thinking that is protection.

I just keep the tire iron in the back and the Jericho 941 9mm in the glove compartment. My Buck knife stays with me ALWAYS, been that way since I got back from Bahgdad (July 2010).

I keep a handful of the370Z.com stickers handy in case things start to escalate... it's amazing how fast situations are defused with a small gift....

I was gonn post a good mother in law joke but i am not married :(

In a apocalyptic scenario i would choose a crowbar..

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I often have a 4' long digital level in the Z. It's pretty sturdy and could do some damage if necessary. However, I store it immediately behind the strut bar in the hatch which means it's only removable via the hatch door. Not very useful in most situations that might arise.

A bit off topic, but if you have a CHL in Texas, you are much more likely to get in trouble for using your firearm in an emergency situation. It's because you have taken training and you should know better. If you don't have a carry license, you don't know any better, so it's ok to shoot someone in self defense; and it's still legal for you to have a gun in the vehicle if you don't have a license :ugh2:

This sounds wrong to me as a TX CHL holder. You are absolutely allowed to use your weapon in situations in which you can reasonably fear for your life. It's why the CHL is allowed. Maybe you meant NON-emergency situation (in which you shouldn't be using a weapon anyway)?

It sounds wrong because it's not right. Unfortunately, that's how it's being treated. I have read several horror stories about a home owner with a CHL in Texas being robbed, killing the intruder, and then being put on trial for murder. In a very similar situation, a home owner without a CHL is generally not hassled, because they supposedly, "don't know any better". It's a fvcked up situation that punishes responsible gun owners :shakes head:

sigh. I guess I am out then, conceal/carry state AND license here :tup:

Eh, I'd need to read the specific cases to see if there's more to it than that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but things here don't add up. It's been a year or so since my last renewal, so I'd have to dig up the handy little book of laws they give you. As far as someone getting away with something due to "not knowing any better" I think there's got to be more to the defense than that. Ignorance of the law has almost never been a successful defense from prosecution.

Yeah, I wish I knew a specific case I could refer you to - I get a lot of information first hand from a friend who is active in gun legislation. And it's not that you get away with something because of ignorance of the law. It's that they hold the CHL holders to a higher standard, which makes it more likely for them to be hassled. Most of the people being put on trial for murder aren't being convicted. But the fact remains that they are hassling CHL holders more than non-CHL holders in situations like these.

Knowing what I know, my aim will almost always be for the knee caps, unless they are strapped as well or have other means with which to attack me even if I go for the knees.

Can you ask him for specific cases for me? I'd love to know what happened in those cases that warranted charges vs. the majority of cases where the person defending themselves (chl or no) had no significant legal repurcussions.

I'd wager that the number of people facing prosecution in cases like these is very low compared to the number of incidents. In addition, I'll go out on a limb and say that there were probably other factors involved in the DAs choice to charge someone. If it's a questionable shoot, you may get to discuss it with a jury of your peers. Still better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. DAs in Texas do not routinely bring charges against people who use lethal force for self defense. Hell, we let Joe Horn off.

If you shoot for kneecaps, you will most likely end up being prosecuted. Lethal force is allowed in situations in which you have a reasonable fear for your life. If you shoot for knees, the prosecutor will attempt to show that you obviously didn't have that reasonable fear, since you shot to wound. Often that will end badly for you. Shoot center of mass or not at all.

Do you have a CHL? If you get good a good instructor, you will spend a lot of the class on legalities relating to lethal force.

I will ask him :tiphat: From what I can remember, nearly everyone does a jury trial and gets off. Yeah, the most surprising thing about these cases is the fact that a DA brought charges in the first place; makes it even more surprising that charges were even brought when the defendant gets acquitted.

My reason for shooting at the knee caps is purely for a worst-case scenario because I cannot be charged for more serious crimes like murder or attempted murder if I shoot below the waist. I'd like to think I wouldn't hesitate to aim differently if I felt like my life was in imminent danger.

I have taken the class and done all the proficiency tests because a construction superintendent I used to work for teaches the class. However, I never submitted an application to the State of Texas; he let me participate in the class for free, which is the main reason I did it. I don't really have a need to carry - as long as I can carry legally in my home and car if I want, that's all I care about.

PM me if you have any more questions. I'll try to PM you with a related case you can look into further :tiphat:

Btw, apologies for the OP for jacking the thread.

Not me. Only one story if I'm involved. Mine.

I still don't trust the system enough to risk it... only if my life is at risk

Absolutely. That goes without saying.

The way I figure it, if someone is willing to break into my house they are willing to kill/hurt me. Ie, my life is in imminent danger.

Outside the house, every situation is different and has to be judged on the evidence at hand.

Exactly. God bless the "castle doctrine".

Jealous much? :stirthepot:

That being said, I don't carry anything. I would like to have a handgun to conceal carry (no permit necessary :tup:). However, I know that at times I can have a temper and feel I shouldn't have one.

You'd be amazed how carrying keeps your temper in check. I guess it's something about not having the luxury to lose your cool. I'm so much less likely to flip out on someone if I'm carrying.

Yeah. Maybe I should carry one, empty, just to see how it works one of these times. :ugh2:

I think though, if I was going to get one and get into that hobby, I should have done it pre-2013. Everything is ridiculous now. :shakes head: