Originally Posted by Rans (Post 85282)

Here's my .02:

New York/New Jersey has both the best and the worst. The best are here because they've had to work so long and so hard to avoid the stupidity of the worst! Here in NJ where I work, I hear them complain about Eastern Pa. being worse than NJ, but the reality is that the vast majority of Pa drivers commuting in NJ are recent residents of NJ that moved west to save $$ (housing market in NJ is RIDICULUS!)

Perhaps because I've been driving in NJ for so long I don't find it so horrible, maybe I've become one of them? I've never live in NJ.....I found some of the worst drivers in Conneticut and Massachusetts, but the winner in my book is the Rt 19 area of western Florida around Tampa where all the old bad NY and NJ drivers have retired and added decrepitness to their driving resumes. They are absolutely frightening!!

I've lived in London and Brussels, driven in both, as well as many of the major cities in Europe. Paris and Rome are probably the worst. Worse than ANYTHING here in the States. Besides all the testosterone infused frustrated Formula 1 drivers on the road, there are Citroen 2CV (Deux Chavoix or 2 horses for the 2 French Horsepower they deliver) and DAK's (first mass produced variable transmission) which are driven by idiots by nature, and mopeds which a another special European curse!

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 76386)

Dude even soccer mom's here speed in their mini-vans!
You'll see any car speeding on the left lane.

Originally Posted by miguez (Post 85558)

Adding to Jersey, I lived in Bergen county for four years.

A four-way stop in New jersey works like this: Whoever has the biggest car goes first, if everyone decides to actually stop.

Originally Posted by gnarf (Post 85549)

Where in Bergen do you live? Im from Upper Saddle River...yea if you go 65 lets say on a 55..you should stay on the right lane..everyone drives 15-20 over...sucks we have one of the highest insurance..

you never truly understand how bad Jersey drivers are..until you ride your motorcycle...i knew 3 guys from high school..all with bikes..they all died from being hit by other drivers..

Originally Posted by gnarf (Post 85561)

so true...its always like a staring contest between two soccer moms in usually an Escalade and a Hummer H2...if i inch forward to turn...they start honking at me and furiously cursing..even when i get there first

Originally Posted by miguez (Post 85558)

Adding to Jersey, I lived in Bergen county for four years.

A four-way stop in New Jersey works like this: Whoever has the biggest car goes first, if everyone decides to actually stop.

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 85652)

I'm from Fort Lee!
Dude I always go on 17North and pass by or see the signs for upper saddle river! And RIP to those 3 guys. I don't understand why it's so hard to look before you turn. :shakes head:

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 85654)

Damn and your all the way out in Ohio?!
Was Bergen County that bad?!
I really love this place.
But if it weren't for all the pretty girls, I'd hate this place...

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 85519)

nj def has horrible drivers.
aka soccer moms

Originally Posted by Rans (Post 86434)

A head's up for you Northern NJ guys:
Speaking of traffic in NJ, Wednesday night June 17 is the NY/NJ Police Garlic Run where about 5000 motorcycles will be leaving Rockaway Mall and traveliing to Little Italy to raise money for the Police Benevolent fund or some such. They pull out of the parking lot about 6pm or so and travel on I-80 east to I-280 thru the Holland Tunnel. It's police escorted and the police block alot of entrance/exit ramps on the highway. The procession is about 7-8 miles long. I've done the ride a half dozen times, people pull over and wave and yell, fire departments park their engines on the overpasses, it's fun, but definately a nightmare for traffic.