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nogoodname 08-18-2009 09:18 AM

1 hp equals to 0.7456999 Kilowatts

theDreamer 08-18-2009 09:19 AM

Well what I gathered, was they have installed a few themselves and done there own dynos and gotten some good gains (5-10 at least), but they are in Cali and I am in Texas (weather/humidity/etc.)

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:20 AM

% gain should still be similar. If the weather was a factor, it would be a factor in the baseline as well as the final dyno for both sets.

rreign 08-18-2009 09:23 AM

Which by % would have still gotten the same gains if you had the car and the intakes dyno'd in the same type of climate. So there has to be some other factor that contributes to such a loss. Just to add to what caravan said

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:24 AM

yup, they may have dyno'd 10 hp higher on baseline than you (assuming same dyno type, but worse conditions for you), but then you would assume that if they made 8 hp, you should make 7.

theDreamer 08-18-2009 09:25 AM

Well the major change from each dyno was the AF mix, stock was around 12.5 while with the intakes we were down in the 11-11.5 range.

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname (Post 155807)
maybe a bird was stuck in the pipes from the install ????

:gtfo2:

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 155809)
Well the major change from each dyno was the AF mix, stock was around 12.5 while with the intakes we were down in the 11-11.5 range.

if thats the case, those intakes are making you run rich, robbing you of hp and gas mileage. Sounds like their tube diameter is effed up causing the mass air flow sensor to read that more air is coming in than is actually coming in, and is dumping extra fuel in.

rreign 08-18-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 155809)
Well the major change from each dyno was the AF mix, stock was around 12.5 while with the intakes we were down in the 11-11.5 range.

so you would have been running a little leaner which would have contributed to a slightly higher dyno, not lower. Nothing too significant but I would think it wouldn't have dropped.

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rreign (Post 155816)
so you would have been running a little leaner which would have contributed to a slightly higher dyno, not lower. Nothing too significant but I would think it wouldn't have dropped.

don't listen to rreign, he doesn't even have a Z :rofl2:

lower air to fuel ratio is running richer

rreign 08-18-2009 09:31 AM

I was talking about the car's initial dyno. But after reading that, I can see the confusion. Yeah intakes would have cause the car to run rich where as the intitial dyno w/o intakes was leaner. That's where I was going with that lol.

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:32 AM

ahh, ya it sounded like you were talking about the intakes making it run leaner.

technically, a good intake will make it run a little leaner, but not to the point that they risk detonation

2theextreme 08-18-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname (Post 155807)
maybe a bird was stuck in the pipes from the install ????

Or in my case....a dead cat. I guess you could say...I had a real "Cat"-back exhaust for 24 hours.

Yeah, ok, fine...I hear the chirping of the crickets. :mad:

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 2theextreme (Post 155824)
Yeah, ok, fine...I hear the chirping of the crickets. :mad:

as long as you hear them you are forgiven :icon23:

rreign 08-18-2009 09:37 AM

you're right on that. I mean ultimately I have read/see/learned that the best AF mix to try to reach is between 10.5 and 11.2 giving you the best output w/o risking some kind of interior destruction. Or maybe that's just with FI. Can someone clarify that?

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 2theextreme (Post 155824)
Or in my case....a dead cat. I guess you could say...I had a real "Cat"-back exhaust for 24 hours.

This actually made me laugh out loud...

well maybe not quite out loud...

actually it was more like a chuckle....

In reality I just breathed out...but at least it didn't make me stop breathing!! :tiphat:

2theextreme 08-18-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 155826)
as long as you hear them you are forgiven :icon23:

:icon18: At least I knew it was a bad joke....I hopefully saved myself from being self :owned: this time by admitting to it!

theDreamer 08-18-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rreign (Post 155829)
you're right on that. I mean ultimately I have read/see/learned that the best AF mix to try to reach is between 10.5 and 11.2 giving you the best output w/o risking some kind of interior destruction. Or maybe that's just with FI. Can someone clarify that?

For our car (or any NA car) you want around 13.

rreign 08-18-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 155818)
don't listen to rreign, he doesn't even have a Z :rofl2:

lower air to fuel ratio is running richer

doesn't change the fact that I've done more research and learned more about the Z than most of their owners:icon23:

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rreign (Post 155829)
you're right on that. I mean ultimately I have read/see/learned that the best AF mix to try to reach is between 10.5 and 11.2 giving you the best output w/o risking some kind of interior destruction. Or maybe that's just with FI. Can someone clarify that?

FI is more prone to detonation. I haven't looked in a long time but I thought ideal A/F ratio was in the 13's somewhere, with 14.2 being the absolute max lean you can go. I could definitely be wrong though, it's been probably 6-8 years since I've had an A/F gauge in my car

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rreign (Post 155833)
doesn't change the fact that I've done more research and learned more about the Z than most of their owners:icon23:

this is true, and I :tiphat: to you!

2theextreme 08-18-2009 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 155830)
This actually made me laugh out loud...

well maybe not quite out loud...

actually it was more like a chuckle....

In reality I just breathed out...but at least it didn't make me stop breathing!! :tiphat:

You have no idea how long I've been waiting to use that, too....its sad. :icon14:

rreign 08-18-2009 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 155832)
For our car (or any NA car) you want around 13.

So that is just FI then?

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:42 AM

you are stuffing a whole lot more air in the combustion chamber with FI, so I could believe that they need to run with a lower A/F than NA to keep the car safely detonation free...but I don't know the numbers for them off-hand

theDreamer 08-18-2009 09:44 AM

Yes, for FI you want to be around 10-11 I believe.

rreign 08-18-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 155834)
FI is more prone to detonation. I haven't looked in a long time but I thought ideal A/F ratio was in the 13's somewhere, with 14.2 being the absolute max lean you can go. I could definitely be wrong though, it's been probably 6-8 years since I've had an A/F gauge in my car

I was just having this discussion with a couple of guys the other day. One is a buddy of mine fresh outta UTI and 2 other guys in their 60's/70's with over 50 years experience. Those were the exact numbers I was given by them but we were talking about different motors. Some good ole american muscle, the 2JZ-GTE and the RB series motors.

cow 08-18-2009 09:56 AM

hey gais

rreign 08-18-2009 09:58 AM

sup

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 09:59 AM

hey cow, any news on the diffuser?

theDreamer 08-18-2009 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cow (Post 155858)
hey gais

:hello:

cow 08-18-2009 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 155860)
hey cow, any news on the diffuser?

Nothing. Tracking number still isn't working. I was out of commission yesterday. I'm sending an email now.

phelan 08-18-2009 10:06 AM

good morning ><'

cow 08-18-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cow (Post 155870)
Nothing. Tracking number still isn't working. I was out of commission yesterday. I'm sending an email now.

eh
Quote:

Boomer, the DB Schenker tracking number you gave me when we spoke last week has still not shown up in the system. Can you please confirm the number you sent to me by replying to this email with the number you gave me to make sure I didn't hear wrong?

-- Jonathan Toups

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 10:11 AM

left a post on forgestars blog yesterday telling the guys looking for 18's that they might be waiting a while since I've been waiting 10 weeks for my order for 19's. Moderator deleted it

just tried again, I'll bet it gets deleted again

Wheel Collection | Forgestar Custom Wheels

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cow (Post 155874)
eh

I think the time to play nice guy has long passed....tell 'em like it is now Cow, that they are BS'ing you around and you aren't going to stand for it.

rreign 08-18-2009 10:15 AM

Yeah bro, that would be pissin me off. 10 weeks for some wheels?! I know they are a new company and probably have a bunch of shite on back-order but atleast be courtious enough to contact the buyer and let them know if any progress is being made on your order.

cow 08-18-2009 10:15 AM

Yeah, I thought that after I sent it. I'll see what happens today & then I'll come down hard.

cow 08-18-2009 10:15 AM

oh lookie lookie

Quote:

please send me what I gave you
Granted, he should have it, but whatever. Let's see what happens.

Caravanshaka 08-18-2009 10:16 AM

he's stalling...

rreign 08-18-2009 10:17 AM

agreed.


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