That Veterans can carry is news to me, but it's good news!
40 over 9mm , definitely!

what would you recommend for this island guy?

I carry a Taurus 9mm 709 slim with a waist clip. I wear it just to the right side of the center of my back. The gun hides very nice, some of my friends that I see everyday dont even know I carry a gun. The 709 can hold 7+1 rounds, which is not alot but at least you do have alittle more power than the .380. But whatever gun you pick I would try to have it so you could carry it on a waist clip. You dont want to have to be digging through you pockets in an emergency, most pants have different size pockets. With a waist clip you can practice drawing the gun at the range so in the emergency the gun is always in the same spot and you have that muscle memory. As I'm sure you know practice, practice, practice. This way you know what you have to do before you have to do it. Also it sits almost right above my wallet pocket. So if someone is demanding money they really wont be thrown off by you reaching back there. But in most situations its best to just hand over what they want. Well sorry kind of went on a rant there but back on track. If you want pics of the gun or anything let me know.

and as far as the CC course and stuff I'm lucky I live in Alabama all we do is pay $25 for a back ground check and sign a paper lol

<---- carries glock model 23 everyday.... and loves it!!

Same here. Exact model. The polymer frame makes it light enough to where its size is not a burden.

I know there are two different viewpoints on this, and I don't wanna :stirthepot:, but I wouldn't carry a 9mm for personal defense. Drunks, druggies, ect., you're gonna have a tough time taking them down. Which is the problem the Phoenix PD were having, which is why they switched to 40s.

185 grain hollow point FTW

Yeah I agree with you about he stopping power. But you also have to think the 40 if you miss its going to go through walls and still be traveling at a diedly force. Where you could hit someone else and go to jail for. A 9mm is more likely not going to go through object and if it does its volocity will be slowed enough that it will not be fatal. But I really do understand the thought behind wanting a bigger round so that if you do gut shot or barely hit someone that it will bring them down. But if you practice shotting and aiming while drawing you can bring down anyone. You take a 9mm to the chest and your not getting up your dead.

Some of your large caliper rounds will just go clean through someone yes. But same thing like a 9mm hollow point stays in. If it hits bone it does not have the force to break it so the bullet changes direction. Its just like electricity it follows the path of least resistance. Even a small .22 will do damage. The mod carried .22 revolvers to kill people. They would shot you in the head and the .22 had the power to go into the skull but when it hit the other side it had lost the power to exit. So the small round just pin balled around inside the person's head destorying everything. So I would say caliper is up to the person and know how to handle a gun.

I think I have Winchester silver tip 155gr hollow points

Yeah, I'm sure we could go back and forth, but I'm gonna step over that trap and just say there are a lot of pros and cons and it's a matter of personal preference :tiphat:

I actually think in many cases the 9mm, especially FMJ, is more likely to go through a wall than some of the larger calumets... The 9mm velocities are high, especially the hot rounds. For PD, I'm pretty confident in 9mm 124gr Speer Gold Dot.

As far as waist clips go... If you are talking about what I think you are, I'd highly recommend against it. I would never use any holster system that didn't fully cover the trigger guard.

Agreed. Carry what you shoot the best and are confident with.

That why I said caliper is up to the person and there know how. If you have the motor functions, can aim, and are cool under pressure so you can think what is behind your target if you miss then the 40 or even a 45 would be fine. But for the people that want something smaller like a 9mm I'm just saying it can still stop someone with practice at the range.

I would argue that .... wait a minute ....


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