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If the federal Government shuts down, so does military pay

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U.S. troops could be required to report to work without pay if a budget clash in Congress results in a government-wide shutdown, according to draft planning guidance circulating in the Pentagon.

A shutdown could happen as early as next week, as the government is set to run out of money at midnight March 17. A bill that would keep the government operating temporarily has been prepared in the House of Representatives, but it is not clear when or if it might pass.

The government has been operating under a series of temporary appropriations, known as continuing resolutions, since Oct. 1 because of lawmakers’ inability to agree on how much money to provide federal agencies. Budget discussions have become increasingly complicated since the November general elections resulted in a divided legislature, with Republicans controlling the House and Democrats controlling the Senate.

When the government was shut down in 1995, military personnel continued to report to work and were paid, but the planning guidance sent to the services and defense agencies says a shutdown this time will be different.

“All military personnel will continue in normal duty status regardless of their affiliation with exempt or non-exempt activities,” says the draft planning guidance that was prepared for the services and defense agencies. “Military personnel will serve without pay until such time as Congress makes appropriated funds available to compensate them for this period of service.”

Troops would miss a payday only if the shutdown continues through April 1.

Defense civilian workers would be divided into two categories. “Essential” employees would be required to report to work even though they will not be paid; “nonessential” employees would be furloughed, according to the memo.

Troops and essential civilians who report for work without pay would receive back pay when government funding is restored. But whether furloughed civilians would receive back pay could depend on whether Congress specifically authorizes that, according to congressional aides who have been doing their own shutdown planning.

The memo, prepared in early March but never formally issued as guidance, attempts to spell out what defense missions would shut down and what would stay open in the event funding stops.

• Military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue, including preparations for any units scheduled for deployment.

• Operations necessary for national security, safety of human life and protection of property will continue, but operations that don’t meet one of those three criteria will be “shut down in an orderly and deliberate fashion.”

• Recruiting offices, processing centers and basic training will remain operational.

• Emergency repairs and maintenance that cannot be deferred will be done on base facilities and housing.

• Medical and dental facilities will remain open, although elective surgery and procedures will be postponed. Suicide, substance abuse counseling and crisis intervention will continue.

• Dependents schools and education centers for service members will be open for use by private agencies for courses for which payment already has been made.

• Dining halls, gyms and child care centers will stay open.

• Base exchanges may remain open because they operate using nonappropriated funds. But commissaries, which are supported by taxpayer funds, may be closed, although the memo says military personnel might be assigned to replace furloughed civilians so the grocery stores could remain open.

I would like to comment, but such commentary is forbidden over here, behind the Iron Z-Curtain :icon17:

Ugh great, lol just when I'm trying to get Laser Surgery. :icon17: Where is this coming from?

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 988517)

I would like to comment, but such commentary is forbidden over here, behind the Iron Z-Curtain :icon17:

Um... What would you say?? :icon08:

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 988517)

I would like to comment, but such commentary is forbidden over here, behind the Iron Z-Curtain :icon17:

I'm sure there are many members who would love to speak their mind on political issues in here! Especially on the US Federal Government!

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 988639)

i'm sure there are many members who would love to speak their mind on political issues in here! Especially on the us federal government!

doooo eeeettt!!!

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 988528)

Ugh great, lol just when I'm trying to get Laser Surgery. :icon17: Where is this coming from?

Um... What would you say?? :icon08:

just some ******** from the AF times... this is me --->:stirthepot:

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 988688)

just some ******** from the AF times... this is me --->:stirthepot:

Just make sure when you post articles you post a link the the original source so no one calls :bs: on you. :tup:

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 988672)

doooo eeeettt!!!

It's against forum policy to start a political discussion, so the other members are correct in not :stirthepot:'ing.

eh...whatever the policy says.

I believe that even though they say that we will not get paid...one way or another we will get paid! Although we can't walk out of our operating bases, you will definitely have a lot of angry servicemembers with weapons and full combat load! hahaha

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Originally Posted by mark_taba85 (Post 988940)

80% of our military doesn't carry arms on a day/day basis. And 19% of those that do are out of the country. LoL That's not a worry.

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 988869)

Just make sure when you post articles you post a link the the original source so no one calls :bs: on you. :tup:

the AFtimes website was down, and i got this in a DoD email thingy

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 988920)

It's against forum policy to start a political discussion, so the other members are correct in not :stirthepot:'ing.

orly?
didn't really think of it as political as more of just a heads up

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 988983)

the AFtimes website was down, and i got this in a DoD email thingy

Odd... I got no such DoD email :icon08:

I wish they'd come out with one for why youtube is gone. :mad: I wanna hear their justification.

I'll just say this: We have to raise the debt ceiling and pay our various tabs.

Sorry, brewers of hot leaf-oil beverages.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 988986)

Odd... I got no such DoD email :icon08:

well, it wasn't like offical DoD.. but like spread through our mail boxes.. lol AFGSC baby!!

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 988986)

I wish they'd come out with one for why youtube is gone. :mad: I wanna hear their justification.

badwidth bro

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 989036)

well, it wasn't like offical DoD.. but like spread through our mail boxes.. lol AFGSC baby!!

Gay.

badwidth bro

Then why did you open it up to be used at all? I'm sure now more people are just gonna get on FB and still use the same minesqule BW... :ugh2:

I doubt this would happen it would be political suicide. But if it did most military members would have the discipline to continue to go to work. Some will go AWOL and receive an Article 15 a few will push for a trial by court martial and loose. The real question is an extened period without pay when you start having problems with soldiers not paying bills.

not even the government is stupid enough not to pay our soldiers

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Originally Posted by cfweber (Post 989175)

not even the government is stupid enough not to pay our soldiers

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::roflpuke2: :roflpuke2: :bowrofl:

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Originally Posted by cfweber (Post 989175)

not even the government is stupid enough not to pay our soldiers

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 988944)

80% of our military doesn't carry arms on a day/day basis. And 19% of those that do are out of the country. LoL That's not a worry.

oh, I was talking about myself and others out here in afghanistan. THe reason I said operatin base ^^:tiphat:

a lot of contractors won't survive if the government shuts down. It would be disastrous.

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 989081)

They hand out article 15's like it's nothing anyways. :shakes head:

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Originally Posted by mark_taba85 (Post 990320)

oh, I was talking about myself and others out here in afghanistan. THe reason I said operatin base ^^:tiphat:

After re-reading your post, I see that now. :tiphat: Where at? I was in Kandahar from Jan-May 07.

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 990695)

a lot of contractors won't survive if the government shuts down. It would be disastrous.

The military will definitely suffer from this, half of our operations manning is contractor.

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 991014)

They hand out article 15's like it's nothing anyways. :shakes head:

After re-reading your post, I see that now. :tiphat: Where at? I was in Kandahar from Jan-May 07.

The military will definitely suffer from this, half of our operations manning is contractor.

There will be massive long term effects too, since a lot of those companies would not survive, and won't be around afterwards.

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 991014)

currently at FOB Sharana...

Sucks being here but definitely worse being in BAF and KAF from what I was told and have been to BAF. that place is like the ghetto despite the Air Women ;)

:happydance:

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Originally Posted by mark_taba85 (Post 995118)

currently at FOB Sharana...

Sucks being here but definitely worse being in BAF and KAF from what I was told and have been to BAF. that place is like the ghetto despite the Air Women ;)

:happydance:

I was in FOB Ma'Sum Ghar and only got stuck in KAF for a few days in 2009. Other than the chance to grab a real coffee, use porcelain (you know what I mean) and take a shower, I prefered the FOB. Even the food was better in camp... lol