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Jimbo370 02-08-2014 09:53 PM

Maf pipes
 
Has anyone dynoed to see if silicone piping really makes a difference. Are these worth paying $100 for. THANKS.
09-11 Nissan 370Z 3.7L VQ37VHR HPS Silicone Post MAF Air Intake Hose Red 10 : Amazon.com : Automotive

SouthArk370Z 02-08-2014 11:01 PM

I didn't find any dyno reports but I didn't dig very deep. https://www.google.com/#q=site%3Athe370z.com+HPS

DEpointfive0 02-08-2014 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2685196)
I didn't find any dyno reports but I didn't dig very deep. https://www.google.com/#q=site%3Athe370z.com+HPS

A LOT of people think they're amazing. With pretty "good" dyno sheets.


If you have the money to buy a real intake, do it. If not, K&Ns and the post MAF tubes

H2O_Doc 02-09-2014 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbo370 (Post 2685165)
Has anyone dynoed to see if silicone piping really makes a difference. Are these worth paying $100 for. THANKS.

09-11 Nissan 370Z 3.7L VQ37VHR HPS Silicone Post MAF Air Intake Hose Red 10 : Amazon.com : Automotive


I figure if it's good enough for tiddies, it's good enough for me.

We all know that the silicone gains for tiddies are real; seems it should work for Zs as well.

luigi90210 02-09-2014 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2685197)
A LOT of people think they're amazing. With pretty "good" dyno sheets.


If you have the money to buy a real intake, do it. If not, K&Ns and the post MAF tubes

:iagree:

get something better, i highly doubt you'll gain anything noticeable from silicone tubes

Chuy 02-09-2014 08:13 PM

I have them, I have not ran on a dyno to tell you anything. I didn't think they made a difference at all. I installed K&N filters first and then added them, never reset ECU or anything. Figured I would at least feel something with the two but I did not, the intake nose was still the same.

mag_black 02-09-2014 08:43 PM

I bought them as my first mod used for $100 w/ K&N's. I switched to stillens right before my tune.

critical 02-09-2014 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2685197)
A LOT of people think they're amazing. With pretty "good" dyno sheets.


If you have the money to buy a real intake, do it. If not, K&Ns and the post MAF tubes

fuk K&N's

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2685260)
:iagree:

get something better, i highly doubt you'll gain anything noticeable from silicone tubes

says the guy with an ebay intake on his Nismo :shakes head:

luigi90210 02-10-2014 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by critical (Post 2686200)
fuk K&N's



says the guy with an ebay intake on his Nismo :shakes head:

I'm willing to bet that the intake that was GIVEN to me will dyno more than Silicone tubes and the intakes that were given to me cost like $10 more as opposed to silicone tubes.

Seriously I saw a dyno on a 370z Facebook page with drop ins and HPS tubes that gave 3whp over his FI exhaust setup with stock intakes.

IMO not worth the $200 someone will spend on drop ins and silicone tubes.

Chuck33079 02-10-2014 05:43 AM

Sure they will. With the hood open. Once you shut the hood you'll be down on power compared to a stock intake since you're sucking hot air. Whether you bought them, someone gave them to you or they fell from the sky, you should take them off and sell them to someone who doesn't understand how cars work.

NickTurnon 02-10-2014 09:08 AM

You can start reading here:

http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...stalled-5.html

megalapagas 02-10-2014 08:36 PM

I have them and I can't complain, they're not going to give you the power as per say a Stillen Gen3 CAI would give but better than a Short Ram?? HELL YEA!....my first intake set up was the K&N short ram, Worst mistake I could make my car over heated and shut off due those things....so I decided to go with my current setup since I HAVENT FOUND ANYONE selling Gen3 CAI on the parts for sale section and well I can't complain its actually very benificial, I will be dynoing soon and definitely want to share this to the the Z community but after I save a few bucks to install my nitrous kit and a tune at jtran. My Opinion and Experience with post mafs and drop ins first hand have been the best choice I've made atm if of course money seems to be an issue in getting the Stillen CAI.

luigi90210 02-10-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2686462)
Sure they will. With the hood open. Once you shut the hood you'll be down on power compared to a stock intake since you're sucking hot air. Whether you bought them, someone gave them to you or they fell from the sky, you should take them off and sell them to someone who doesn't understand how cars work.

just want to inform you, i see IATs 8 above ambient when moving(i have logs to back this up as well), sitting in traffic is the only time i heat soak and even then once i start moving it drops fast, one thing no one can measure with a dyno is the ram air effect, there are no dyno fans big enough and push enough air to make a difference, that holds true for both the stock box and short ram intakes

yes im an advocate for CAIs, yes if i was buying one i would bought a CAI, but compared to MAF tubes id buy ebay short rams for the extra $10(and some of them are actually the same price as MAF tubes)

heck for a little more you can convert those short rams into cold air intakes using some silicone couplers and pipes that can be bought for under $50 and still be under the cost for maf tubes and drop ins

seriously maf tubes and drop ins are a joke, id recommend drop ins for someone who wants to save money on filters but thats about it

if i had the time and patience to dig through 3 weeks of facebook posts and comments, id post that guys dyno just to show how useless they are when it comes to making power

Chuck33079 02-10-2014 09:52 PM

So you fixed the problem that had you seeing 160 degree IATs?

luigi90210 02-10-2014 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2687688)
So you fixed the problem that had you seeing 160 degree IATs?

yep, it was the filter i was using, i moved from a pod filter to a cone filter, i think it was because there was no opening in the top of the filter where the air gets rammed into it was left to suck in hot engine air

i did take the intakes off for a period of time but than randomly i decided to buy 2 cone style filters(specter air filters at orileys) and put the intakes back on, it made a world of difference

the most i have seen is 130 IATs and that was literally in dead stop for 30 mins cause CHP had shut down the highway temporarily cause of an accident(thankfully it wasnt long)

ill wait until summer to see what IATs are then but right now my IATs are the same as the stock box from what i logged and im extremely happy with the intakes, although i do plan on extending them using similar parts Synolimit(only difference is it being in bigger size) used so i can have a true cold air intake until i supercharge

critical 02-10-2014 11:32 PM

let's see your log from december 30th from around 19:00

you should follow your own advice:

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Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2364255)
i thought about making my own post MAF tube once, but then i realized it would be easier to buy them

honestly unless you were doing LTI, id stick to the stock airbox with drop in filters and post MAF tubes


luigi90210 02-11-2014 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by critical (Post 2687759)
let's see your log from december 30th from around 19:00

you should follow your own advice:

and when did i post that? i can tell you that was months before i saw someone actually dyno that set up, hate to break it to you but people's opinions change and i feel that mod is stupid and a waste of money for a gain of 3whp over their a full FI Exhaust, at least now i do

also i dont have a log on that day, i dont run torque all the time but here is a log from DEC 26

the highest IAT i saw was 24C which is 75F and i saw as low as 57F(14C), not bad imo for something that sucks in 200+ engine bay temps all the time

Zippyshare.com

megalapagas 02-11-2014 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2687736)
yep, it was the filter i was using, i moved from a pod filter to a cone filter, i think it was because there was no opening in the top of the filter where the air gets rammed into it was left to suck in hot engine air

i did take the intakes off for a period of time but than randomly i decided to buy 2 cone style filters(specter air filters at orileys) and put the intakes back on, it made a world of difference

the most i have seen is 130 IATs and that was literally in dead stop for 30 mins cause CHP had shut down the highway temporarily cause of an accident(thankfully it wasnt long)

ill wait until summer to see what IATs are then but right now my IATs are the same as the stock box from what i logged and im extremely happy with the intakes, although i do plan on extending them using similar parts Synolimit(only difference is it being in bigger size) used so i can have a true cold air intake until i supercharge

INTERESTING you say this as I too bought the spectre filter but it didn't fit my Ram Air Tubes because filter was too big....I'm curious to know how you fitted it?

luigi90210 02-11-2014 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by megalapagas (Post 2687807)
INTERESTING you say this as I too bought the spectre filter but it didn't fit my Ram Air Tubes because filter was too big....I'm curious to know how you fitted it?

what was your piping size? my intake piping size is 2.75in with it tapering down to 2.5in at the MAF, i bought a 3in filter but since it was only .25in off it fit just fine, no leaks or what not

if your intake piping is 2.5in or within .25in smaller of it, you want to get their 2.5in filter

critical 02-11-2014 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2687801)
and when did i post that? i can tell you that was months before i saw someone actually dyno that set up, hate to break it to you but people's opinions change and i feel that mod is stupid and a waste of money for a gain of 3whp over their a full FI Exhaust, at least now i do

also i dont have a log on that day, i dont run torque all the time but here is a log from DEC 26

the highest IAT i saw was 24C which is 75F and i saw as low as 57F(14C), not bad imo for something that sucks in 200+ engine bay temps all the time

Zippyshare.com

you were driving 100mph at 2k RPM's and you're still not even at ambient temps? this is a really bad example.

megalapagas 02-11-2014 01:15 AM

I will check the pipe size I have it stored in a storage on the other side of town lmao I just said "Screw you RamAir and rust for all I care" Lmfao bad experiences man, not bashing the ram air, but I was left over heated in a part of my county that is close to mexico soooo yeaaaa NO BUENO that day....

luigi90210 02-11-2014 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by critical (Post 2687815)
you were driving 100mph at 2k RPM's and you're still not even at ambient temps? this is a really bad example.

thats 100kph or 60mph(was still fixing some of bugs with the app not uploading the proper measurements), at 100mph id be well above 3k in 6th

stock boxes dont get to ambient temps anyways, the most they are at are 8 above from what i saw from previous logs

like i said, im seeing the same data as stock boxes but the butt dyno says there is more power, i definitely noticed a difference in torque

http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/87060050/file.html
there is a log from the DEC 5, stock boxes and this was when it was close to 37 out iirc and the lowest i see is 11C(51F)

Chuck33079 02-11-2014 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2686434)
I'Seriously I saw a dyno on a 370z Facebook page with drop ins and HPS tubes that gave 3whp over his FI exhaust setup with stock intakes.

IMO not worth the $200 someone will spend on drop ins and silicone tubes.

http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...ml#post2271090

Shows quite a bit more than a 3 whp increase here.

luigi90210 02-11-2014 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2687968)
http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...ml#post2271090

Shows quite a bit more than a 3 whp increase here.

Iirc those dynos are from a couple years ago and they are on a stock 370z, as you can tell from the dyno, heck I think they are from the original maf tube and drop ins thread.

What would be interesting to see is maf tubes over stock intakes on a car with other mods and than see the dyno. I doubt anyone will see more than 5whp on top of their current setup and that's being very optimistic(and even than 5whp is is like changing from a dirty filter to a clean one)

SouthArk370Z 02-11-2014 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbo370 (Post 2685165)
Has anyone dynoed to see if silicone piping really makes a difference. Are these worth paying $100 for. THANKS.
09-11 Nissan 370Z 3.7L VQ37VHR HPS Silicone Post MAF Air Intake Hose Red 10 : Amazon.com : Automotive

For a DD, probably not worth the cost for a very few more HP. But it's an easy mod and, if you like the look, why not?

Personally, I'd put the money toward an exhaust. You won't gain a lot of HP that way either, but it will sound better. ;)

You're not going to see much in the way of gains with cheap, easy solutions. Nissan has already picked all the low-hanging fruit.

luigi90210 02-11-2014 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megalapagas (Post 2687818)
I will check the pipe size I have it stored in a storage on the other side of town lmao I just said "Screw you RamAir and rust for all I care" Lmfao bad experiences man, not bashing the ram air, but I was left over heated in a part of my county that is close to mexico soooo yeaaaa NO BUENO that day....

ya when i had the K&N pod filters on there i was running into problems with acceleration, heat soak, ect.

i dont know what caused me to put the intakes back on my car with a different filter, i was just at o'rileys and bought the filters randomly and slapped everything back on my car

either way when im done fixing my transmission ill be extending out the SRI into CAI since it costs less than $50 for me to do it, if you get the chance to id suggest you do that as well since its only gonna be better for the car anyways


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