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MC 06-18-2009 09:28 AM

another option is the HKS hybrid filters for the 370. i got them in the GT-R. they arnt reusable though so every so often you gotta get new ones. they run about $70

Robert_Nash 06-18-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 93855)
Come again, Robert? So the measured gains people have seen on the dyno from the Stillen G3 intakes are what? A complete fiction? Or am I not understanding you? :icon14:

Let me state for the record that I'm not an engineer or mechanic or anything close; my expertise is accounting, finance and IT.

BUT...

I have learned to realy on people that are engineers and mechanics when it comes to engineering/mechanical issues (and I have on numerous occasions stayed at Holiday Inn Express hotels).

SO...

I've had conversations about this very issue with both Nissan engineers and with Doug Stewart (Doug owns Crawford Z Car Service in Nashville and has made his living repairing and racing Zs and Nissans in general for over 30 years; his shop is also were we [Nissan] takes vehicles form the heritage collection for work. I won't advertise his website here but Doug has developed many performance parts for Zs including, of course, the 350 and I can only assume he is working on parts for the 370) and as Doug's shop sells and installs intake kits he has a vested interest in encouraging their use.

So with that said and after that long introduction...what Doug and Nissan engineers have told me is what I mentioned above; that the air box set-up on the 350/370 is more than adequate to feed the engine all the air it can handle in anything near stock form and using a low restriction air filter is as much of an increase in air flow as the engine can use/need.

Certainly, if you are going to start dong major modifications that will give the enging a greate need/ability for air then that's a different equaiton but putting an intake on the stock engine does not get you anything; at least not enough of anythign to justify the expense.

Now; I've nothign against intake kits and they do add a nice look to the engine and most people, including me, think they give the intake a nice "sound" but if you are lookinf for a measurable HP/Tq increase it seems that there are better ways to spend your money.

Disclaimer: nothing I've said above should be construed as offering mechanical advice nor is it the official position of Nissan North America or Nissan Motor Limited; no warranty is either expressed or implied...you sould should consult professionals in your area who can evaluate your specific circumstances...Live Long and Prosper!!!

Josh@STILLEN 06-18-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 93705)
With regards to aftermarket intake kits; unless you are doing some forced induction or something similar; the only thing an intake kit will do for you is look good and may give you some nice sound effects.

As far as engine performance goes; it's my understanding that the stock air box set setup provides all the airflow that the engine can handle. :)

While Nissan has definitely built a great platform, there are gains to be had from aftermarket products, including the intake system, our Gen 3 Intake having notable success in increasing horsepower, and making a noticeable improvement in acceleration along with transforming the sound from the intake, especially at high RPMs.

A quick search of the forums for dyno results on the Gen 3 Intake should give you some independent results from forum members here, some of whom have spent a small fortune for the good of the boards documenting their installs and resulting performance gains.

On the K&N side, we've been using these filters with our intake systems since the beginning, and sold countless panel filters, and have had exactly ZERO problems related to MAFs, oil, etc. K&N has been hit with a myriad of claims, most of which can be attributed to 'internet rumor', so much so that they set up a division and research arm within the company to attempt to combat these (largely unsubstantiated) internet claims.

Also keep in mind that normal cleaning procedures for panel filters is 50,000 miles, and conical filters used with air intakes is 50,000-100,000. We recommend 50,000 miles between cleanings. Even if gains are minimal on a panel filter, the convenience of not purchasing paper filters more than offsets the cost of the K&N, and in actuality, probably the Gen 3 Intakes if you consider the life of the vehicle.

semtex 06-18-2009 10:31 AM

Umm . . . okay. FWIW, I got net gain of 14.7 whp from the Stillen G3 intake, which is why I found your post a little puzzling. Not sure if you've seen this thread of mine or not -> http://www.the370z.com/intake-exhaus...eview-etc.html I have before/after dyno charts, vid, etc. posted in that thread if you're interested.

Robert_Nash 06-18-2009 10:35 AM

Not trying to step on anybody's toes here...I'm just relaying what I've been told by people who are in a position to at least have an intelligent opinion on the subject. :tiphat:

Josh@STILLEN 06-18-2009 10:40 AM

Robert, you can let them know that they built a hell of a car.. that's for sure! :)

MightyBobo 06-18-2009 10:43 AM

Personally, I'd thank them for choking the **** out of the intake and exhaust, making it very mod-friendly :)

semtex 06-18-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 93938)
Personally, I'd thank them for choking the **** out of the intake and exhaust, making it very mod-friendly :)

:icon18: Definitely! +1

dawankler 06-18-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 93931)
Not trying to step on anybody's toes here...I'm just relaying what I've been told by people who are in a position to at least have an intelligent opinion on the subject. :tiphat:

If the stock intake and exhaust are adequate for all of the engine's needs how did the Nissan engineers increase the HP/TQ of the Nismo 370 just by replacing the intake and exhaust?

Engineering is a careful balance of a number of factors. In this case with the intake/exhaust design of the stock 370 those factors include price, power, efficiency, exhaust note, emissions standards, and probably 20 others that I'm not thinking of. It's not outside the realm of possibility to believe that engineers sacrificed some power numbers in order to meet one of the other factors. For end users who are willing to sacrifice general publicly acceptable exhaust note, price or efficiency for those extra ponies can find it in these aftermarket mods.

With that said, I agree with Josh. I think Nissan hit it out of the park with the 370. It's got everything your average person would want in a two seat performance vehicle at a price that your average person can afford.

Robert_Nash 06-18-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dawankler (Post 94103)
If the stock intake and exhaust are adequate for all of the engine's needs how did the Nissan engineers increase the HP/TQ of the Nismo 370 just by replacing the intake and exhaust?

Even if I asked; they very likely wouldn't tell me.

Even if they told me, I probably wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone else.

If I did tell anyone else I'd probably (and appropriately) be fired.

So I think it best I shut up now. :)

semtex 06-18-2009 02:56 PM

If I'm not mistaken, the Nismo 370 has the same intake as regular models. I remember reading that the extra hp was achieved with a different exhaust and some adjustments to the ECU map only.

dawankler 06-18-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 94108)
If I'm not mistaken, the Nismo 370 has the same intake as regular models. I remember reading that the extra hp was achieved with a different exhaust and some adjustments to the ECU map only.

I think I read (maybe incorrectly) that it was a different intake also.

Even with an ECU remapping it just goes to show that the same aftermarket mods he's discounting were used by Nissan engineers to increase power.

Robert_Nash 06-18-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dawankler (Post 94129)
I think I read (maybe incorrectly) that it was a different intake also.

Even with an ECU remapping it just goes to show that the same aftermarket mods he's discounting were used by Nissan engineers to increase power.

If you are referring to me, which mods, exactly, are you saying I'm discounting that are applicable to the Nismo 370?

semtex 06-18-2009 03:59 PM

Here's where I read it:

2010 Nissan Nismo 370Z - 2009 New York Auto Show Coverage, New car Reviews, Concept Cars - Automobile Magazine

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In order to provide power to match the track prowess, Nismo also fiddled with the Z's engine. The 3.7-liter V-6 is almost identical to that in a normal 370Z, but thanks to a Nismo exhaust system and a tricked-out engine control module, it sees a substantial boost in power. The Nismo-tuned mill produces 350 hp at 7400 rpm (vs. 332 hp @ 7000 rpm) and 276 lb-ft of torque (up from 270) at 5200 rpm. Nismo 370Zs are only available with a six-speed manual transmission, which is equipped with the trick rev-matching system.
Funny, the opening paragraph of the article says:

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Nissan's new 370Z may be quite nimble, but those hankering for a track-ready package should consider stepping up to the new 2010 Nismo 370Z, which debuts at the 2009 New York auto show.
That's pretty laughable. But to be fair, these are Automobile mag's words, not Nissan's.

dawankler 06-18-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 94153)
Here's where I read it:

2010 Nissan Nismo 370Z - 2009 New York Auto Show Coverage, New car Reviews, Concept Cars - Automobile Magazine

Funny, the opening paragraph of the article says:

That's pretty laughable. But to be fair, these are Automobile mag's words, not Nissan's.

You're right, I think my mind made a connection with the available Nismo intakes and the production Nismo vehicle. Whoops. I AM now disappointed that my Synchro-Rev transmission doesn't do magic tricks for me :mad:

And Robert, in rereading your earlier posts you DID say you didn't think it'd provide appreciable performance gains unless they were in tandem with FI or extreme modifications. I guess it just depends on your price/performance ratios, but there's been a number of posters here with proven gains (10% isn't uncommon so far) by just upgrading the airflow.


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